twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 That is, you cannot defend assault by claiming you were just applying force. Let me know when they are charged with assault. Just applying force to gain compliance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Just applying force to gain compliance.Scenario A) Police officer tells citizen to come with him and that he is under arrest. Citizen says "No" and remains standing where he is. Officer calls for backup and the police take him down. They cuff him and drag him to the squad car to be taken to the station. Scenario Police officer tells citizen to come with him and that he is under arrest. Citizen says "No" and remains standing where he is. Officer calls for backup and the police take him down. They then proceed to kick him in the head and balls several times and then tell him again to come with them. He says 'no' and continues to not move, so they continue to beat him every time he does not willingly of his own accord go with them. One scenario is an example of the police doing their job, the other is gang assault. Edited April 11, 2015 by PokerPacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 His first mistake was wearing a red shirt. Nothing good ever comes from wearing a red shirt.As Redskins fans if there is one thing we have learned its this. Or white. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 As Redskins fans if there is one thing we have learned its this. Or white.Oh man, you had to bring sports into this! At least the 'skins are Burgundy and not actually red like the Caps who have never lifted Lord Stanley's Cup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Let me know when they are charged with assault.Just applying force to gain compliance. It's quite difficult to comply with anything when a group of men are beating you up. Most of your focus tends to go to trying to protect your head from being caved in. No one can seriously watch that video and think the force being applied was reasonable or 'being applied to gain compliance'. If they are not charged with assault - and I would be slightly surprised if they are - it's a symptom of the problem that is slowly emerging from under a rock. Is this how you want your law enforcement conducted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 It's quite difficult to comply with anything when a group of men are beating you up. Most of your focus tends to go to trying to protect your head from being caved in. No one can seriously watch that video and think the force being applied was reasonable or 'being applied to gain compliance'. If they are not charged with assault - and I would be slightly surprised if they are - it's a symptom of the problem that is slowly emerging from under a rock. Is this how you want your law enforcement conducted? I probably know more than any of you how hard it is to comply in such instances....I'm not very compliant by nature,but ya learn It was not unreasonable in my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I probably know more than any of you how hard it is to comply in such instances....I'm not very compliant by nature,but ya learnIt was not unreasonable in my eyes. Then I hope never to witness let alone be subject to what you would consider unreasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Hell, it actually assaulted one of them. I'm shocked they didn't shoot it....purely in self defense of course. What color was the horse? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 One scenario is an example of the police doing their job, the other is gang assault. The beginning differs greatly from this instance, and yes it matters. Then I hope never to witness let alone be subject to what you would consider unreasonable. That would probably be best, certainly less painful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfitzo53 Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 He wasn't exactly fighting back T. He knows that. Honestly I'm not sure why people respond to most of twa's posts. He's enjoying the fact that you think he's an idiot. Grinning from ear to ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 He knows that. Honestly I'm not sure why people respond to most of twa's posts. He's enjoying the fact that you think he's an idiot. Grinning from ear to ear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 That'll teach him to get on a high horse. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Let me know when they are charged with assault. Just applying force to gain compliance. You've succeeded in defining the problem not proving your point. There is a lack of accountability, so no they won't get in any real trouble for reducing themselves to a street gang. Pretending that a beating like that is anything other than punitive is nonsense. It's exactly what it looks like. Despite laying down and surrendering they deciding to kick his ass before arresting him.Slowly but surely the public is starting to realize that this isn't isolated or a few bad apples. When they start to forget they'll be another video or another unarmed death. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 no need to prove my point http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com/fruit_0.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I don't get what you are saying there twa. It would be nice if you simply explained the previous post though. I don't need proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 the pic? actions matter,as do expectations There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 How does that explain the picture ? I have no reference of what that picture is. I recognize the guy though. Didn't click the link...I think the huff is huff and puff sometimes. I despise all the side ads though. Unless the pic is saying these people offered fruit and were killed ? "When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.”― Gandhi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 I probably know more than any of you how hard it is to comply in such instances....I'm not very compliant by nature,but ya learn It was not unreasonable in my eyes. All of a sudden, your online character now has a reason for his intransigence and trollishness. He's brain damaged from one too many police beatings. Bravo sir. Keep working at it and perhaps one day you'll be as good as Wacky Ralph was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 http://www.cnn.com/2015/04/11/us/arizona-parking-lot-brawl-video/index.html A police shooting that's clearly justified. They would have been justified in shooting the lot of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 walking dead show, they survived by hiding till they didn't to fit in. I admire Ghandi, but prefer Grossman The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours. http://mwkworks.com/onsheepwolvesandsheepdogs.html Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. the fellow in the OP is not a sheep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) More than Gandhi ? Hmm. “I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.” Edited April 11, 2015 by Kosher Ham 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 All of a sudden, your online character now has a reason for his intransigence and trollishness. He's brain damaged from one too many police beatings. Bravo sir. Keep working at it and perhaps one day you'll be as good as Wacky Ralph was. no doubt I do, and from other adventures, I do manage to use what is left though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 More than Gandhi ? Hmm. “I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent.” Fraid so, a wolf can be domesticated but still long to howl and hunt. it is a violent world, and yes a evil one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 If the world was so evil...it would have been destroyed many years ago. There are evil people. The world is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 true, but I focus on people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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