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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Next 8 Marvel movie release dates have been set.

 

This is after the July 2, 2019 Spiderman Far From Home release.

 

The dates are:

 

5/1/20

11/6/20

2/12/21

5/7/21

11/5/21

2/18/22

5/6/22

7/29/22

 

All eight are being labeled as untitled Marvel movies as of right now.

 

Black Widow prequel, Eternals movie, a movie about Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2, GotG 3 are all expected to be part of the next 8.

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2 hours ago, DCSaints_fan said:

Ironically Robert Downey Jr. could have easily played Ironman in the 90s, as well.  Along with SLJ playing Nick Fury.

 

I'd also throw Val Kilmer in there somewhere

 

Id say the only one that's an inexcusable whiff was Dolph as Thor. They'd have to find a better Thor for sure.

 

2 hours ago, DCSaints_fan said:

While I'd say it was pretty darn good, I can't get past the time travel paradox wrt Thanos being killed in the future.  The thing was, there was extensive discussion between Antman and War Machine amongst others, about the "rules" of time travel.  And then the film proceed totally violate all those rules anyway.   

 

Lazy, because they could have sent Thanos along with anyone else who needed to go "back into the past" so that the present was at least consistent. 

 

What was inconsistent with this? 

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28 minutes ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

Id say the only one that's an inexcusable whiff was Dolph as Thor. They'd have to find a better Thor for sure.

 

 

What was inconsistent with this? 

 

Thanos from the past travels forward into the future just after the Avengers return from the past with the Infinity Stones.

 

They kill past Thanos in this future, therefore he can no longer return to the past.  So their entire past leading up that moment, including Thanos finding the Infinity stones and wiping out half the population, could never have happened.   Hence the paradox. 

 

Actual the most straightforward one was Nebula - how did she not disappear when she killed her past self?   (Unless her past self wasn't dead)

 

If I go back in time, even if only like 5 minutes, and kill my past self (or my mother/father/grandfather/whatever), then I could not have existed in order to  kill my past self.  Therefore it should be impossible.

 

Its a slightly different situation in Endgame, with the past versions travelling forward into the future.  But still the same issue.

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10 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

Thanos from the past travels forward into the future just after the Avengers return from the past with the Infinity Stones.

 

They kill past Thanos in this future, therefore he can no longer return to the past.  So their entire past leading up that moment, including Thanos finding the Infinity stones and wiping out half the population, could never have happened.   Hence the paradox. 

 

Actual the most straightforward one was Nebula - how did she not disappear when she killed her past self?   (Unless her past self wasn't dead)

 

If I go back in time, even if only like 5 minutes, and kill my past self (or my mother/father/grandfather/whatever), then I could not have existed in order to  kill my past self.  Therefore it should be impossible.

 

Its a slightly different situation in Endgame, with the past versions travelling forward into the future.  But still the same issue.

When the people were pulled forward, their original past selves didn't change. You can't change the past, just make branches off the timeline... or something.

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23 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

 

Thanos from the past travels forward into the future just after the Avengers return from the past with the Infinity Stones.

 

They kill past Thanos in this future, therefore he can no longer return to the past.  So their entire past leading up that moment, including Thanos finding the Infinity stones and wiping out half the population, could never have happened.   Hence the paradox. 

 

Actual the most straightforward one was Nebula - how did she not disappear when she killed her past self?   (Unless her past self wasn't dead)

 

If I go back in time, even if only like 5 minutes, and kill my past self (or my mother/father/grandfather/whatever), then I could not have existed in order to  kill my past self.  Therefore it should be impossible.

 

Its a slightly different situation in Endgame, with the past versions travelling forward into the future.  But still the same issue.

 

They explained that's not how time travel works.  Banner explained it, then the Ancient One explained it better.  You're thinking of it in a linear fashion without a Quantum Realm component.  It is complicated, but basically, it's all alternate timelines and multiverses.  That's why they can go back in time, change a whole bunch of stuff, and come back to their original present and nothing has changed.

 

I think.  lol

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The easiest way to think of it is the multiverse theory. When they went back and removed the stones (and changed a few things accidentally, hello Loki), it created a new universe/reality. That's why they needed access to the quantum realm to return to their own universe/reality (with the stones).

 

So now you're asking..why the need to return the stones afterwards? Because permanently removing them upset the flow of time in those universes/realities. It wouldn't impact the Avengers universe...but since they are the "good guys", they still care about other universes/realities. And returning them would also essentially undo the creating of additional universes/realities where those stones didn't exist (and things like Dormmamu would dominate).

 

Time wimey headache stuff.

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I understood everything perfectly.  Maybe it was because both my faves (X-Men & Spider-Man) are littered with time travel and time travelling characters. I figured that would be the plot given the strange behavior of, well... Strange, and Ant-Man exploring the quantum realm previously.

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3 hours ago, The Evil Genius said:

Next 8 Marvel movie release dates have been set.

 

This is after the July 2, 2019 Spiderman Far From Home release.

 

The dates are:

 

5/1/20

11/6/20

2/12/21

5/7/21

11/5/21

2/18/22

5/6/22

7/29/22

 

All eight are being labeled as untitled Marvel movies as of right now.

 

Black Widow prequel, Eternals movie, a movie about Shang-Chi, Doctor Strange 2, Black Panther 2, GotG 3 are all expected to be part of the next 8.

 

Wouldn't surprise me if one of those 8 is another Spiderman movie.  I think they'll try to get as much out of Tom Holland as they can while he's young.  

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Yeah nothing they changed in the past would impact the future. That was said explicitly. The only thing that would change is the realities they took the stones from could become incredibly chaotic without the stones causing branching timelines/multiverses which is why they had to return them to those exact moments in order to keep one singular timeline. 

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What I don't get is the Ancient One making the point of the Stones needing to be returned to preserve the singular timeline, but its okay to displace characters (Thanos and his army, Loki, Nebula, Captain America)  thus breaking any semblance of a singular timeline. What was the point of even returning the stones? 

 

Also how did Cap return the soul stone? Would it ressurect Black Widow?(maybe not a prequel)  Did And did Cap **** his pants when he met the gate keeper? 

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So what I"m hearing is basically, yes you can go back in time and kill your own grandfather.  (Or rather, your grandfather can go forward in time die and never return)  And it creates some alternate reality where everything is still the same.  Except your grandfather died and so you and your parents were never born.  But for some reason they did.

 

BttF which they made fun of in the film, had better time travel logic than this.

 

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I thought it meant that you can kill your grandfather,  but in that reality/time line, you and your parents are never born , changing nothing about your own reality.... And that if you thought "Well ****, that wasn't a good idea" you could go even further back in time (to a separate reality (where gramps is still kicking) and you and your parents would be born in that alternate reality. 

 

Basically every trip potentially could create an alternate reality running parallel to your own. 🤓

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9 minutes ago, DCSaints_fan said:

So what I"m hearing is basically, yes you can go back in time and kill your own grandfather.  (Or rather, your grandfather can go forward in time die and never return)  And it creates some alternate reality where everything is still the same.  Except your grandfather died and so you and your parents were never born.  But for some reason they did.

 

BttF which they made fun of in the film, had better time travel logic than this.

 

 

At every time related event, there's a split to a new universe.  If you go back and change time, the old universe that you came from precedes as if your actions did not happen.  However, you've now also created a universe where your grandfather is dead (and you won't be born).

 

Going back and killing your grandfather doesn't change your timeline/universe.  It creates a new one where your grandfather is dead.  Your actions have consequences, just not in your timeline/universe.

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Frankly, the whole thing is infinitely more enjoyable if you simply dont overthink it.  Folks are tying themselves in knots trying to understand time travel.  

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11 minutes ago, justice98 said:

Frankly, the whole thing is infinitely more enjoyable if you simply dont overthink it.  Folks are tying themselves in knots trying to understand time travel.  

 

Honestly, this one makes more sense than the others.

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5 hours ago, drowland said:

 

Wouldn't surprise me if one of those 8 is another Spiderman movie.  I think they'll try to get as much out of Tom Holland as they can while he's young.  

 

Seems like from that trailer, they want to make him a key player. I hope they let this Spider-Man grow up. He doesn't have to be a teenager (although I like Tom Holland's younger portrayal). Downey did this for a decade. I think Holland can do the same.

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I love the idea of Spiderman, Black Panther, and Captain Marvel being the face of the MCU moving forward.  But I think they also need give Wasp and Scarlet Witch their proper stature in the Avengers.  I know Wasp isn't Janet, but I still feel like Hope should have Janet's comic book stature because the character is so great.  Not entirely sure that Evangeline Lilly has the charisma to carry movies the way Evans and RDJ did though.

 

I think Paul Rudd also demonstrated in End Game that he has the screen presence to carry movies, so he shouldn't be underestimated.

 

I also really want one of the 8 movies to be another Captain America film starring Anthony Mackie and Sebastian Stan.  That torch must be passed and I really like those actors/characters.

 

Hulk is still around and he's in an interesting place now.  Could try giving him another movie, or at least one where he has a major collaboration with another character.

 

And lastly, we need a Fantastic Four.  And I'm pretty sure they're going to have to get very non-canonical with them because they can't have existed pre-Thanos, or else you can't explain their absence from the ordeal.  But they are the natural choice to fill the void in the MCU created by the loss of Thor, Stark, Rogers, and Romanov.

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The issue with Fantastic Four is you essentially need four star actors to carry instead of just one like you do with other superhero movies. And you absolutely have to nail Dr. Doom, so make it five. Tough to pull off.

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I don't think it's hard to nail the 4 as much as it is hard to nail Thing and Doom. Almost anybody  (as long as they have some actual acting chops, and aren't a pop culture add-on) can play the others. Only Reed Richards imo should actually be a heavy resume actor. 

 

Really wish they could throw DD universe in with the Avengers, or make a Spider-Man/DD movie, re-introducing Kingpin

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Anson Mount in Star Trek looks like Reed Richards, and he can play smart.  Although I think it might be best to go with no names for these roles, like they did with Captain America and Thor.  Start fresh and let the talent define the role.

The FF are stars though.  Warhead is right about that.  It won't be easy to cast them right not due them full justice.  Not this late in the game.

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I know Mount from Hell on Wheels.

 

He is rough and rugged on that show, but his character has an undercurrent of raw emotion and sharpness that let's me know he could definitely play Richards or even Doom.

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On 5/9/2019 at 9:37 AM, Warhead36 said:

The issue with Fantastic Four is you essentially need four star actors to carry instead of just one like you do with other superhero movies. And you absolutely have to nail Dr. Doom, so make it five. Tough to pull off.

 

One thing I have full confidence in is their casting.  They've cast big actors, to medium size actors, to virtual unknowns.  They almost always nail it.

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My son was disappointed that Bucky didn't get the Shield -- after rewatching Winter Soldier and Civil War is is completly understandable, Falcon was right there the whole time and laid himself on the line for Cap.

To me the way it looks set up is Avengers based around Falcon Cap, Bucky, Ant-Man/Wasp/Pyms, Scarlet Witch plus Asguardians of the Galaxy with Thor plus Strange, plus Black Panther plus Captain Marvel plus Spiderman.

So much of this Phase was done around the conflict between Cap and Iron Man.... with multiple build-ups to it. I suppose they can replace Iron Man's brains with Wakanda's advancements.

Thinking of plots that were never fully closed -- Zimo is still alive, Hydra is still around and there may be a movie where they come back for Bucky -- the underground rumblings....

Rewatching some of the other movies, the villians all seemed to be mini Thanos'

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