BD Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I'd just like to ask you a hypothetical or two. After seeing today's loss, I think the Redskins are going to go 8-8 again. Some folks want to ditch Spurrier, but I think he should stay for a 3rd year. So I just want to ask these questions to those who would tell the Ballcoach to take a hike. Let's say you own a team. One that has some good offensive talent, and a few playmakers on Defense. You go and hire a universally acclaimed College Coach for a bunch of money. Let's say his first season has some massive disappointments, and you end up at the bottom of your division. His second season, you get some more good players, have some close games, but continue to lose division contests, and can't close out games. You win your first few games, then finish the season 7-9. Do you fire him to get someone else, or stick with it? . . . . . . If the answer is yes, you just fired Jimmy Johnson. In the season before he went 11-5 and won the Super Bowl. How about another hypothetical? Let's say you're in a similar situation, a team with a few playmakers, but need a good coach to get to the next level. You decide to hire a coach who's known as an offensive mastermind to run the team, and invest a bunch of money in him. The first season, the offense and defense just have bad outings. They lose winnable games, make stupid mistakes, and finish 6-10, at the bottom of their division. The second season, your offense shows spurts of brilliance, and you have a lot of close games and comeback drives, but you consistently lose when fighting good defenses, and players make stupid mistakes and penalties that cost them games. You finish 8-8, tied at the bottom of the division. Do you fire the coach to get someone else, or give him another season? . . . . . . . . If the answer is yes, you just fired Dick Vermeil, the season before his Chiefs have thus far gone 8-0. Just try to keep a little perspective, folks. And don't listen to those know-it-alls on radio who've never coached a game in their lives. BD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 The difference is each of those teams showed IMPROVEMENT even while losing. We are regressing and look like a pop warner team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 It's nice when you have all the facts on your side.... -DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I was just wondering about the chiefs. They seemed pretty lame last year. You make a good point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BD Posted November 3, 2003 Author Share Posted November 3, 2003 Er, don't you remember last year's Dallas game? Last year's Jacksonville game? Last year's Giants games? Hello, Monday Night Football? You can't say we've regressed after last year's multiple INT Wuerffel outing in Dallas. This game was much closer, and much more winnable, and against a much better Dallas team. Considering that the top three RBs were all injured after the first quarter, considering that Bailey and Smoot were playing in constant pain... it's hard to say that the Skins regressed. They were one onside kick away from making it a one drive game, which nothing ever was last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjTj Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Kilmer17 The difference is each of those teams showed IMPROVEMENT even while losing. We are regressing and look like a pop warner team. People on this board keep saying this, but where's the evidence for this supposed improvement on teams like the '90 Cowboys or the '02 Chiefs? Does anyone really know what it was like rooting for those teams back then so that we can actually compare it with our experience now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ummagumma Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 No - because there was zero talent at QB and WR last season. The system was being implimented. A year later and it does look worse with Spurriers players in there. This team won't go 4-4 next year, much less 8-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 The Chiefs were poised to make the playoffs last year when Holmes started getting dinged up. They were alot of peoples choice this year before the season started. Can you see anyone picking us next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Please explain how this game was so much more closer and so much more winnable than last year's. Funny, I don't recall being down by 15 on Thanksgiving last year. This game at Dallas was a lot more like the '01 Marty party and the '00 post-Norv slaughter than last year's. As for the coaching comparisons, you have to remember that the 6-10 Johnson mark came after a 1-15 season. The Vermeil analogy might be more accurate, but I'd have to look and the talent levels those teams have had compared to ours. Seems like, even with Ramsey being a young QB, we should be playing a lot better. Another question to ask is whether Spurrier is ever going to be able to adjust his gameplan. We hired this guy for his offensive genius, correct. So far, the results are hardly encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Here's the problem with your argument BD (and I swear, I want to believe you have it right). Beyond the 'are we improving' debate (which I find very unpersuasive btw), I think Johnson and Vermeil were employed by sound, stable organizations. They had 'a plan' and organizations that supported them. We, by contrast, are currently a train wreck. There is a running and increasingly open battle being waged between the owner, the coaches (hell, even AMONGST the coaches), and the front office. We are mocked on national TV even with a 3-4 record. And, unfortunately, I don't see any Johnson or Vermeil fight in our coach. I see Rick Kotite. I see head-shaking, grimacing, and misery. I want to give Spurrier a chance. And I don't think there's much to be gained by cutting him loose. I'm even willing to give him his run. But I think there's little to give us hope we're on a 3 year plan to glory ala Johnson or Vermeil. I hope I'm wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trickblue Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by BD I'd just like to ask you a hypothetical or two... Just try to keep a little perspective, folks. And don't listen to those know-it-alls on radio who've never coached a game in their lives. BD Not trying to censor your long post... I just figure everyone has read it by the time they get down here... There IS a difference in the programs you have mentioned... each of those coaches were willing to give up any semblece of a normal life to succeed in the NFL... Spurrier has stated he is not... I don't neccessarily disagree with SS... don't like him much (long before he came to the 'skins) but I think he realizes there is more to life than football... I know that is hard to take for die-hard fans like most of us here are (I know I want the Cowboy coach to SLEEP at Valley Ranch)... but it seems to me he is ready to move on with his life... Am I wrong with my perception? ----- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PennSkinsFan Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Oh, sorry. I thought this was for Spurrier haters :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I guess Baltimore can't win because they have a rookie QB. I don't see them making excuses about experience problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I don't see any Emmitt Smiths, Troy Aikmans or Michael Irvins on this team. It's all about talent and smarts in players. Jimmy Johnson hasn't always won. Vermeil hasn't always won. Knock Emmitt Smith all you want, but at least he knows how to stop a blitzing linebacker. Heart only gets you so far. Ramsey has heart so far and workable talent. If this team doesn't make the playoffs in year 3, I'll likely be the first to say that Spurrier needs to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by BD I'd just like to ask you a hypothetical or two. After seeing today's loss, I think the Redskins are going to go 8-8 again. BD Um, and just which 5 teams are they going to beat to get to 8-8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NVskinsfan Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 We would bve lucky to go 8-8 Effectively the coaching on this team is REALLY suspect at best...the players know it, the media knows it and I believe the Big REDSKIN in the sky knows it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagles_Legendz Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Tarhog I see Rick Kotite. I see head-shaking, grimacing, and misery. Oh the horror, the horror! Tarhog, never ever mention that name again on this board! :laugh: Brings back a lot of bad memories from my early days as an Eagle fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sashae Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Eww, Richie Kotite. Even worse, you could have said Dave Shula. *shudder* -s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty dread Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Did someone say the Skins will go 8-8?? LOL yeah right, 8-8 would be a miracle at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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