canadian jim Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 No doubt the line has not given Ramsey much time to throw but on the other side of the coin Ramsey takes way to much time to get rid of it. i saw more from Hasselback in 3 plays than from Ramsey the whole game. I believe the offensive line feels the same way it's a two way street as far as pass protection and Ramsey getting rid of the ball. Today it looked more like a feeble attempt at the west coast offence, considering Ramsey seems to be shellshocked and when he does throw it's either premature or a sack for the most part. It's tough to go from here. HTTR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 In Ramsey's defense, as much as he's been hit his field of vision is getting lower and lower. He basically looking to see where next hit is coming from. Ramsey is a true warrior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTerps2002 Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Ramsey is garbage .... He is the problem for over 75% of the sacks he takes because he won't make up his mind........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BG Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 But you're all the way up there in Canada. Surely it's a bit harder to see from up there.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kve Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Yes, you are right. This is the first time that I really have to say that patrick is not really ready. I wish now the Shane and DW could have done a little better and given time for Patrick to learn and grow. Look what sitting on the bench for three years did for Chad Pennington and Patrick has a much stronger arm. kve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I don't think so, Spurrier is up his ass to go deep with the ball but, won't provide the protection for him, Ramsey is a great QB he just has an NCAA coach who fails to realize that in this league everyone is quciker then they were in NCAA. I AM SO TIRED OF SEEING THE BALL COACH ON THE SIDESLINES WITH HIS AW SHUCKS GRIMMACES when is lame ass fun and gun $HIT DOES NOT CUT IT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignatius J. Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Patrick is still learning. We just need to give him patience. QBs can learn on the field. -DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Patrick and the whole offense wasn't prepared. His coaching staff is letting him down. Patrick is frazzeled and shellshocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Let's start Hasselback next week. He looked confident and got rid of the ball quickly. Ramsey is the man long term but he needs to heal up and get his head back in the game. Let the brothers (Hasselbacks) play against each other next week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by RTerps2002 Ramsey is garbage .... He is the problem for over 75% of the sacks he takes because he won't make up his mind........ Whoa man! That is way out of line! Pat is one of the toughest QBs we've ever been lucky enough to have. Remember, he has started LESS AND A FULL SEASON. In many respects, he is a rookie. A rookie who has shown AMAZING toughness and a never-die mentality... a rookie who has managed to lead some of the best come backs weve seen in a decade. Go easy on him.... he just needs more time under fire before he becomes an all-pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Start Hasselback? Ramsey has to learn. He can learn a lot quicker by being in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDSKNfaithfull Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Chief skin I don't think so, Spurrier is up his ass to go deep with the ball but, won't provide the protection for him, Ramsey is a great QB he just has an NCAA coach who fails to realize that in this league everyone is quciker then they were in NCAA. I AM SO TIRED OF SEEING THE BALL COACH ON THE SIDESLINES WITH HIS AW SHUCKS GRIMMACES when is lame ass fun and gun $HIT DOES NOT CUT IT. How do you protect when they bring the house, and your recievers are running go routes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Can anyone name one good blocking RB or TE that has played the last two weeks. Emmitt Smith could put on a clinic for these guys. I haven't seen one solid hit on a blitz in the last two games by an RB. Spurrier needs and values that in an RB. It's always been that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by Blade Whoa man! That is way out of line! Pat is one of the toughest QBs we've ever been lucky enough to have. Remember, he has started LESS AND A FULL SEASON. In many respects, he is a rookie. A rookie who has shown AMAZING toughness and a never-die mentality... a rookie who has managed to lead some of the best come backs weve seen in a decade. Go easy on him.... he just needs more time under fire before he becomes an all-pro. Blade's right....the reason Patrick's struggling is obvious and two-fold. First of all, he's getting hammered in every game, repeatedly. Most NFL QBs would've raised the white flag by now. Ramsey's as gutsy as they come. You can't dispute that. Secondly, the reason he's 'hanging on to the ball' (which is accurate enough) is because he's pressing, trying to make something, anything good happen out there. Its because he's such a fiery competitor that he's holding the ball too long and getting shellacked. We made a mistake. We thought Patrick could carry us by sheer talent alone. He can't. It's time to simplify things, take some of the load off his shoulders before we totally wreck his confidence. I'd take an entire team of Patrick Ramsey's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieInferior Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Many people say Ramsey holds on to the ball to long and in same cases I agree. But I think that the system is screwing him in this. our offense lacks a hot read. I do not think it's necessarily the fact that we put out 4-5 receivers but that none of the rteceivers runs a hot route. Ramsey needs a route that he can throw a quick pass to when he gets in trouble. You will notice that 2-3 time we put pressure on Quincy but he had a quick outlet and got out of trouble. We lack that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljer Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by roachman Let's start Hasselback next week. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: I knew I was gonna hear some crazy stuff tonight, but never did I think I'd hear that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggins Seventy Chip Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 "t's start Hasselback next week. He looked confident and got rid of the ball quickly. Ramsey is the man long term but he needs to heal up and get his head back in the game. Let the brothers (Hasselbacks) play against each other next week" Whoever wrote this should be shot. Hasselback has been with the team for 11 days. I'd rather have Spurrier in there at QB than Hasselback. Hmmmm, maybe Spurrier should play QB until he learns that his protection schemes suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RySkins Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 When we are only sending 2-3 receivers out, Ramsey has nowhere to throw the ball since they are all running deep patterns. The problem is we can't even protect him with max protection even with a 100 million dollar line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAC Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Every week the members of this board find someone new to blame. If Ramsey isn't ready to be out there then I don't know who is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_good_brotha Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I think some of you are going too far in bashing Ramsey. It could be worse. This kid has potential. We all knew he would go through growing pains. As far as I'm concerned he has exceeded my expectations. I knew he would be good, but when given some time he has been spectacular. Besides, would any of you rather see Jeff George out there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hersh Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 What Ramsey needs is a power running game to lean on. Similar to what the RAvens have with their rookie QB. This team would be more effective, IMO, if we could play some smash mouth and use Ramsey to Coles or McCants off the play action pass. I think this team needs to look for a power running back in the 2nd round next year and adjust the scheme. But what do I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 Originally posted by RDSKNfaithfull How do you protect when they bring the house, and your recievers are running go routes? I'm surprised your post is the only one acknowleding it. Collinsworth pointed it out beautifully. When Dallas was blitzing... Washington receivers were running intermediate to deep passing patterns. Further, the receivers aren't supposed to break their patterns when the play busts. They don't come back for the ball. And there's no hot routes. Where's the slants, quicks in/outs, fades? And Collinsworth was right on throughout the whole game. And he's been saying it for weeks. At some point... an offense is going to have to make a defense pay for blitzing. We actually saw it for the first time by Jacobs on the TD. And even then it took a spectacular catch by Jacobs to make it. Unless the offense has shown it can stop the blitz... you keep sending in. It isn't knew... defenses were doing it right from the start of last year's preseason. Even Aikman acknowledged the Skins aren't even picking up basic blitz packages. If a coach is worth his salt... he spends every last second trying to fix. Apparently 1.5 years isn't enough for Spurrier. Time to "coach the coaches up". Though, I'm in favor of having coaches who actually know what the heck they're doing already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I mean that makes sense buy how come our coach doesnt do that? oh waite he is stupid thats right I guess the whole part of his system where the quarterback has to throw to an area on the field not to a particular receiver completely contradicts the idea of receivers breaking off their routes to help the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuckinIA Posted November 3, 2003 Share Posted November 3, 2003 I know as a Skins fan it is wrong, but I laughed a couple times in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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