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I love your list for the most part OP and in regards to the controversial post #2.

 

 

I'm a redskins fan but I could care less if the name is kept or changed. I got over it when the Bullets became the Wizards and I'll get over it if the Redskins change their name.

 

Besides some people are offended by the name and while a majority of people don't care and they have a right not to care I actually do care that a portion of americans are offended by the name.

 

I'm actually intrigued in what new colors or jerseys we would have if we did change the colors, hopefully it would be something DOPE and iconic like Oregon Ducks uniforms.

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Take a look at Naby's new uniforms...best looking I've seen in a long time.  I guess the baby blue of the 60's Chargers is my all time favorite.

 

Glenn, I have been a fan of this team for 45 years and while I breathe I will remain a fan.  It is the team that means everything to me....if we get rid of controversy and distraction and perhaps the team's losing culture by changing the team's name and colors, I am all for it for the reasons I have specified above.

 

But I really do understand and appreciate the opposite point of view. 

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There's been a lot of negativity surrounding Dan Snider, some of it deserved by his own admission.  Dan says he is a fan.  It's time for him to stand up now and prove it by setting this franchise on a new course and preparing it to become what it once was, a proud and storied franchise.

 

If Dan needs to step away from football operations (if indeed he is involved at all these days) to do that, then fine, let him do it.  Don't go wishing your life away that Snider will sell the Redskins, though.  That probably will never happen.  If he takes the courageous path, he will end up in old age as beloved as Jack Kent Cooke was. Winning is a great deodorant.

 

For those that don't know their history, take a close look at the Pittsburgh Steelers before the Bradshaw era.  They were the NFL's perennial losers and yet had Art Rooney as their owner, by all accounts, one of the best owners of all time.  Point is, the owner may be part of the problem but for certain, he isn't all of it.

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I hope they move that giant turd to Virginia.  Ever since they opened that practice facility in Richmond things have gone to hell.  Build a stadium in Virginia and watch the wheels come off.

What does Virginia have to do with anything..  Seriously?   Location of their summer camp is the reason for this team?!

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I don't know why we do this? Every year around this time the same posts pop up about "fixing" things. There is no fix for this other than Snyder realizing his mistakes or just waiting the next 40 or so years for him to pass away. I've actually defended Snyder quite a bit but the truth is he doesn't care about winning.

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We've seen this movie before, and it goes a little something like this...

 

 

-Griffin (a spread QB in college) is unable to grasp the west coast "system".

 

-Gruden switches QBs to some journeyman who knows the west coast system, but we're still going to suck because the QB knows the system but isn't very good and we still arn't a good overall team. 

 

-Griffin gets traded or becomes a free agent and goes to another team

 

-Griffin's new team has talent around him and Griffin looks like a brand new player in a new offense.

 

-Gruden sticks with his west coast journeyman, FINALLY switches D- coordinators but we're still a below average team due to lack of personnel. 

 

-Griffin beats the Redskins with his new team

 

-Gruden is fired 

 

-And the story recycles......

 

 

If it sounds familiar its because its happened here time and time again! We always put the cart before the horse, and the horse runs off!  It's a sign that our front office is incapable of building a winner. 

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If # 2 ever came to fruition then I do believe that would end my 33 year and counting love affair with the 'Skins.

All our history, all our heritage, everything our tradition is built on, everything the Nations Capitol is known for outside o the dude in the big White House; gone to try rid ourselves of a losing culture in this instance ......

Yeah, I'd be gone with it as I'd have no identity to root for.

Hail.

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Daniel Snyder doesn't know how to properly build a business

 

 

 

Dan Snyder is a walking, talking, breathing argument for why socialism is a better system than capitalism. Some room temperature IQ idiot makes a billionaire friend to bankroll all his failed ventures, he suddenly makes money during the dot com boom and suddenly he can buy a football team.

 

If you replayed Snyder's life 100 times over, most of those times he's Dilbert, some middle manager in some middling company and we never hear his name ever.

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 Maybe i'm missing something, and i'm not saying it for the purpose of creating sarcastic replies etc, but what exactly does Snyder selling the team have to do with this franchise winning?

 

I get it earlier, when he was meddling in the team's affairs, and can see how people would be upset and say stay outta the way let the people you hired do their job. But he's stepped back....right?

 

A couple of things that I stand by Snyder with is this;

1.He's hellbent on not changing the name of the team

2.He's a fan, just like us, who wants to win.

 

Now, the 2nd one does have room to scratch; I don't blame anyone for wanting to win. I think that maybe its the only thing that some can point to and say 'there's the problem' and hang their hat on it. If he's backed off of meddling, then someone else is obviously the problem, not him.

 

Of course, he IS guilty of making some questionable hires and decisions along the way, but what owner hasn't? Allen was a momento, a team history hire, the son of a great HC here, whose past performances have netted him failure. Ok, I can blame Danny boy for that. BAD DOG!

 

But this is one of many problems which can be corrected with a phone call or 2. The question is how do we get him to make these calls? We've blasted him in the past for being involved, now we're blasting him for NOT being involved.  Sounds a little weird, huh.

 

Leadership, on alot of levels, will help this team, and it starts up high; maybe not at the owner, unless you actually believe he is a jinx to the team, but at the GM level to start.

 

When a person has an entourage of people around him, sterring his direction, and they're going the wrong way, its time to change the people in the entourage, not the clueless leader, or owner in this case.

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So pretty much, you want a guy who's never successfully ran a business in his life without people throwing money at him, who's never built an organization in any capacity, to hire the guy who's going to run everything? Man this is rich.

 

Furthermore, there's all kinds of little things that contribute - leadership styles, organizational culture, etc. You'd literally have to find someone to be the defacto owner of the team and have THAT person hire the GM.

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There's been a lot of negativity surrounding Dan Snider, some of it deserved by his own admission.  Dan says he is a fan.  It's time for him to stand up now and prove it by setting this franchise on a new course and preparing it to become what it once was, a proud and storied franchise.

 

If Dan needs to step away from football operations (if indeed he is involved at all these days) to do that, then fine, let him do it.  Don't go wishing your life away that Snider will sell the Redskins, though.  That probably will never happen.  If he takes the courageous path, he will end up in old age as beloved as Jack Kent Cooke was. Winning is a great deodorant.

 

For those that don't know their history, take a close look at the Pittsburgh Steelers before the Bradshaw era.  They were the NFL's perennial losers and yet had Art Rooney as their owner, by all accounts, one of the best owners of all time.  Point is, the owner may be part of the problem but for certain, he isn't all of it.

 

Art Rooney Sr., was a big gambler.  He loved to gamble.  He won big and went into the NFL and bought/created the Steelers to feed his gambling habits.  The reason they sucked so bad from the 30's until 1969 was because he didn't give a ****.  Money to gamble with.  It wasn't until he brought in Dan and Art Jr. to run the team. 

 

Dan was around the team since he was a little child.  He knew everything about the organization.  Art Jr. only had a passing interest in the team and wasn't very smart at football decisions.  It was Dan that turned that team around. He personally hired Chuck Knoll, while the Art's were initially against it. How would that have worked out if Noll was never hired?  Dan was the architect of those SB teams, yet Art got all the credit.  Art Rooney get way too much credit for those SB teams. It was his son.

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Im in agreement with just about everything here EXCEPT the name change and/or color change. I honestly dont think that has a damned thing to do with the success or failure of this franchise. My loyalty is to the B&G/REDSKINS, change that, and im out.

It wasnt that long ago I remember when a certain game was called the Bay of Pigs game. That team that wears green and yellow as bad as they were didnt change their colors and they are doing fine.

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Would that really help out griffin though? He'd only have one more year on his contract to prove his worth. Has this strategy worked anywhere else in the league? Not the bringing in qb coach part. That'd obviously help. I mean has someone on the bench improved drastically over half a year of work?

 

 I'm thinking it would help him out, and I doubt its been done elsewhere, but back in the day, Gibbs would groom his QBs on the bench for a few years, to wrap the entire thing around his brain, to absorb what is happening on the team, to learn from watching situations in real time, and he did pretty well, taking 3 different QBs to SuperBowls.

Personally I think Griffin is worth at least trying it; we gave alot for him, we're invested into him, and it would for the most part determine if he will be able to get a feel of what he's expected to do.

 

I'm looking at it this way; right now he's not getting it; his footwork, progression, everything about him is messed up right now. This week we're facing a good defensive SF team who would love to plant Griffin in the dirt. I'd rather them plant Colt in the dirt than Griffin. We're not accomplishing anything by being competitive in this game; no playoffs, an o-line which is not working with Griffin's footwork will get him hurt, and hurt bad.

 

If he plays, and gets hurt, the team will once again be put behind the 8 ball in determining Griffin's future. Right now his performance against a 49er defense like he had against Tampa's, he will not make it to the 2nd qtr.

Then the team is behind the 8 ball, because they will have to make a big decision on Griffin's future; if he shows he's improved in his footwork and other things, it will show up against the practice squad; if it doesn't, then it pretty much sums up his career here. But he needs help in alot of ways; he's more than capable of being the QB we need, but he needs coaching and tutoring that he's not currently getting on this team.

Meanwhile the o-line can be addressed and Griffin isn't wrapped up in a cast for 3 more months.

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I see 2 rules violations in this thread

 

1) These things have been posted in MULTIPLE threads and this thread could have gone anywhere

 

2) Someone quoted a huge block of text

 

I don't know whether this is another one of your ways of complaining about the board again, or you're simply trying to educate others but i will give you the benefit of the doubt and act on the latter.

 

So in the spirit of the educational approach, the merit of the op/thread is a judgment call (as many are), guided by rule parameters, and mods (plural) have seen it and it stands. 

 

You're right about the rule 11 violation and that was taken care of---but no thanks to you, who didn't report it as we ask members to do when they see a rule violation. Jeez, if you're going to take time to post in the thread about it, report it to someone who can actually do something about it, dipstick.  ;)

 

Finally, in case my giving you the benefit of the doubt was misplaced (which I suspect), use the feedback forum to comment on such matters if you were just mainly doing the ole griping on "how the board is run."  A reminder: posting opinions on moderating matters, or mod actions involving other members, off-topic in a thread can net you a ban as it is a rule violation (mainly cuz it often derails threads).

 

No one should reply to this post in the thread. It's an FYI for anyone it may benefit.

 

I now return you back to our regular programming of the record-setting decades-long marathon broadcast of "The Ocean of Suck that is Our Sorry State as Redskins Fans." :(

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Team colors are nothing to me.  They could wear pink and gray if they choose too and I wouldn't be upset in the least.  They are my team regardless.  I simply want to eliminate any reminder of the failure that has been the Redskins over the past quarter century or so especially in the eyes of the younger fans.

 

 

Obviously they are nothing to you, you would change them without regret. I however believe in the colors, and they don't run, and I won't give them up without a fight.

 

Burgundy represents passion and fight.

 

Gold represents success, achievement and triumph. 

 

Success is not achieved without passion and fight. 

 

 

 

 

 

 
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I couldn't find a good place for this, but since you mentioned changing the team name, I will place this here.

 

In the play Peter Pan, they are changing the words to some of the songs because they are offensive.  One of the songs sung by Peter and Tiger Lily featured lines like “the brave noble red skin".  CLEARLY THIS IS RACIST AND MUST BE CHANGED </sarcasim>

 

"The brave noble red skin" is a beautiful line and something that I feel would be sweet if said to a girl you were flirting with.  Am I paranoid, or are we falling apart at an every faster clip?

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So given billy's post above, here's the deal now---the OP had enough developed points in his OP to allow the thread to stand on its own as opposed to just being a duplicate thread of an existing topic.

 

But the name change, which the OP listed, is a matter of discussion that belongs in the thread for only that topic (which is in the tailgate). So I am going to edit that stuff out of the OP---people who insist on discussing that topic in the stadium, and we've been at this point for some time as widely and repeatedly advertised, open themselves up to a temp ban for ignoring our directives on this matter at any mod's discretion at any time. 

 

Should this post fail in its intention, we'll close the thread and do whatever else seems needed.

 

ALL name change posts go in the name change thread in the tailgate. Tell your friends.

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I think you have a pretty good list.  What saddens me is that there's almost no chance most of that happens.  Bruce Allen will be back next year.  100% guaranteed.  He is Snyder's current yes man, and he's going to be given ten years to repeatedly prove he is not a football GM.  The next six or so things then fall apart.

 

I agree we need to go O line also and continue to try to DEVELOP our QB.  I also want to see us address D-line early though, and if they took a pass rush OLB or the  D lineman from USC that everyone says will be great, then i'm good with that.  Also, more picks would be great.  As bad as our safety situation is, we just can't afford to draft safety that high when our foundation is so terrible.

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Hiring Bill Polian and giving him control won't mean hiring Bill Polian -it will mean we are giving his incompetent son the keys to the franchise as Daddy Polian grooms him. This is why the Colts drafts went from exemplary to mediocrity and the team took a nosedive. Peyton was covering up a multitude of sins, and even a worthless drunk like Irsay realized he couldn't fire just the son.

Pioli did a very good job with personnel in KC with one glaring exception-QB. Actually, Cassel wasn't a bad idea, but he just turned out to be injury prone. Pioli also sucked at picking coaches - the same flaw that ruined AJ Smith (thiugh Smith was also a horrible contracts/cap guy).

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 Maybe i'm missing something, and i'm not saying it for the purpose of creating sarcastic replies etc, but what exactly does Snyder selling the team have to do with this franchise winning?

 

Snyder traded three first round picks and a second for a single rookie.  A player who, though he did not have the tools to succeed as a real NFL QB, was massively hyped by the media because of his performance in the bull**** college version of football.

 

Now, you might be delusional enough to still think Snyder had nothing to do with that trade.  Even if that were the case, now Snyder is the guy who hired the idiots who made that horrible trade.

 

Get rid of Snyder and we don't have that problem.

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Snyder traded three first round picks and a second for a single rookie.  A player who, though he did not have the tools to succeed as a real NFL QB, was massively hyped by the media because of his performance in the bull**** college version of football.

 

Now, you might be delusional enough to still think Snyder had nothing to do with that trade.  Even if that were the case, now Snyder is the guy who hired the idiots who made that horrible trade.

 

Get rid of Snyder and we don't have that problem.

 

 I think everyone was on board with Griffin, knowing Luck wasn't going to be there.

 The trading that happened to get to the 2nd overall has Allen's hands on it more than Snyder's, although Snyder and the crew went and visited him before the draft, and Griffin's a personable guy, kinda hard to not like him and his upbringing.

 

 Now I do agree that he hired the idiots who are part of the problem; some are gone but others are still here, including Allen.

 But ultimately its the coaching staff who has to get him in NFL game mode; if they fail, he fails, and the only thing Snyder could be held accountable for is hiring the bafoons who run his organization. We're all ****in' in hopes of getting that changed though.

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