WP: Washington Redskins: loud talk, little action, more losses than wins

[Dissident2]

But that is my point...

 

If we were winning games this wouldn't matter. This is only being attributed to a loser mentality because we are losing.

 

You act as if the two things are mutually exclusive. They're NOT. Ever wonder why we say this crap EVERY YEAR? "Just win, and it all goes away."

 

OK, how about, "make some of this nonsense go away, and maybe we'll start winning." Last place almost every year for the last decade. That doesn't tell you that there's more going on behind the scenes keeping us from winning than just simply bad luck or bad players?

 

Sure, you have fighting on teams all the time. A lot of players didn't like Theismann back in the day. No team is full of choir boys, and nobody wants that. But when there's a good organizational structure in place, one that people, players and coaches RESPECT, these problems get handled. Here, they're encouraged.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Did you hear anything out of Seattle's locker room last year?

 

You are this year and they are fighting for a wild card now aren't they?

 

EDIT:  To the credit of Seattle's PROFESSIONAL organization, they traded the problem that just the year before they invested MANY high draft picks in and took a loss for the benefit of the team.  Have we done anything CLOSE to that?

 

Same with the 49ers.

 

 

All teams have leaks.

 

All team have personality conflicts.

 

My understanding is that Ben Roethlisberger has been openly disliked by a lot of his teammates since his rookie year.

 

But the teams that know what they are doing deal with this stuff somehow.

 

The Redskins let the bad apples openly disrespect the quarterback in front of the press.

[DC9]

But do you think that situation is similar? These guys aren't fighting each other, from the most part it seems they are sticking together.

And the patriots traded Moss, before picking up Your Haynesworth. And picked up Moss after he had quit in two teams.

And these guys here aren't doing anything as egregious as what those guys did.

 

Disrespect for your team mates and your profession is as bad as it gets.  And no, you can't say this situation is similar to the one in Seattle cause the problem in Seattle was dealt with quickly.  It was a five star player that you had literally just traded multiple draft picks for who was creating a schism in the locker room... he was identified as a problem... he was gone and dealt with.

 

What are the problems here and where were they dealt with?  The reports say they wouldn't even listen to team officials telling them to tone it down!  That's the inmates running the asylum.  No respect for your job or your organization.  **** you, pay me.  That's what that is.  Seattle showed you "oh we just traded Harvin, you think we won't trade you?"  The Redskins showed you that "if you don't listen to us, we'll leave you alone eventually". 

 

Yeah, the Pats did trade for discounted Haynesworth... how long did they keep him?  Six weeks?  Less?  Thanks for pointing that out... totally forgot.  

[grhqofb5]

So really here's what is boils down to for me:

 

(1) The Washington Post's sports page, it appears, has decided collectively to do everything in their power to show the public that they are not "in the bag" for the team, i.e. they are not fans and they are not influenced by management.

 

(2) The reporters who are not "fans" in the first place seem to enjoy poking the franchise, its players, and its fans in the eye.

 

(3) The reporters collectively believe they have no duty of loyalty to the players and staff with whom they must interact with on a daily basis in the course of their work.

 

(4) Because they do not recognize a duty of loyalty, and because they are in the rat race to make their name, they will establish relationships with players, only to throw them under the bus when their professional interests suit them.

 

(5) These same reporters are offended when a player, or the players collectively, respond with ambivalence, "disrespect," distrust, and general distaste for the Washington Post and other members of the media in their locker room.

 

So the team sucks, therefore they are getting what they deserve, right?  And when things get better (and they will), these same members of the media are going to expect the players to forget about this prior treatment, and give them what they need because "they are just doing their job." So tell me again, what exactly is your job?

[dballer]

Disrespect for your team mates and your profession is as bad as it gets. And no, you can't say this situation is similar to the one in Seattle cause the problem in Seattle was dealt with quickly. It was a five star player that you had literally just traded multiple draft picks for who was creating a schism in the locker room... he was identified as a problem... he was gone and dealt with.

What are the problems here and where were they dealt with? The reports say they wouldn't even listen to team officials telling them to tone it down! That's the inmates running the asylum. No respect for your job or your organization. **** you, pay me. That's what that is. Seattle showed you "oh we just traded Harvin, you think we won't trade you?" The Redskins showed you that "if you don't listen to us, we'll leave you alone eventually".

Yeah, the Pats did trade for discounted Haynesworth... how long did they keep him? Six weeks? Less? Thanks for pointing that out... totally forgot.

Yeh it's easy when you can single out one player, and get rid of him, knowing you have plenty of other talent and weren't going to be able to pay him later anyways.

The report came out that they were too happy, Gruden talked to them, that wasn't the case again. Now this one about them being too boisterous, Gruden said he talked to them, we will see what happens from there.

Alright I give. I guess I'm going to be in the minority in believing the issues of this team are talent, talent evaluation and general management rather than locker room conduct of being too loud.

[Rodriggo]

Making a mountain out of a molehill. Team sucks, there is no leadership vacuum because there is nothing to even be vacuous about. The Gruden regime is barely past the mid point of the season, RG3 has only played his third game this year. How can RG3 be expected to be Tom Brady when a large chunk of fans/reporters keep pounding the "show me something" drum on every throw and dangling his next contract as a bogeyman for the rest of us? It can't all be true at the same time, pick your lane and stick with it.

 

All for being a professional franchise that respects others, respects itself but to be honest between every studio team openly laughing at them, criticizing the name, and Shefter-han continuing to chop their legs out with fabricated stories I don't really have a lot of sympathy for the sports coverage from the fourth estate.

 

Call me when our TE is involved in a double homicide or they start filming the other team's walkthrough like which team? Forgot their name, know they play up north, on ESPN ALL THE TIME tho.

[igglesfan]

And again, it all starts at the top. This is the kind of culture our tiny overlord creates. I've been saying this for years, as have many others. To steal from the compost's ad campaign, "If you don't get it, you don't get it." 

 

Tiny boy-man Snyder fosters an attitude of disrespect and unprofessionalism where people are only looking out for themselves. No sense of camaraderie. No sense of brotherhood or family. A coach can help curb that kind of thing in the locker-room, but because of the culture OUTSIDE of the locker room, which always filters in because Snyder's soulless minions BRING it in, it's that much harder to do. 

 

I despise many of these reporters as well, including Reid. But when he says "warped organizational culture," he is RIGHT ON THE MONEY.  And that is a HUGE reason why we continue to suck like a Dyson.

 

This is pretty much "spot-on" IMO.  These locker room shenanigans are VERY similar to what happened in Philly during Andy Reid's last couple of years.

 

Unfortunately, for you fans, your problems extend much higher than a lack of respect for the head coach.

[Rodriggo]

It's mildly embarrassing but at best they were what, being annoying? Was it sexual harassment or physical intimidation? No.

 

Was it Chris Baker yelling while doing the cabbage patch? I'd sure as **** hope so.

 

Love how this was originally all about RG3 "losing the locker room" but has now shifted, due to being total and complete horse ****, to being about the Redskins organization lack of professionalism.

 

Just as long they look bad I guess.

 

Then they're like: "Why don't they like us? We're only trying to **** on them from every conceivable angle, weird."

[Dub70s]

Winning= Universal Solvent!

Truth was spoken here!

And the media joins you in the revelry.

Nothing new here.

[PortisBetts]

The issue for me is professionalism. Show some damn professionalism. Yeah, you don't like the media. Big whoop. STFU and answer a few questions and do your damn job. Maybe that would be 1 thing that they could actually succeed in, answering questions, because they sure as hell aren't proving a damn thing on the field consistently.

[NickyJ]

The actions in the locker room are not the reason we're losing. They are BECAUSE we are losing. We win, and everything is sunshine and flowers, happy happy days with daisy chains and hugs and fuzzy kittens. We lose, the media gets on the players' backs, the players clam up. As has been said so many times, winning solves almost every problem, including this one.

[fearlessNelms]

Anyone who says we don't have enough talent to win is way off base in my opinion. I'm not saying that we are a Super Bowl caliber team, because we are not. But are we good enough to where we could be in the thick of the division and playoff race? Absolutely. We have taken Philly, Arizona and Seattle down to the wire and beat Dallas. Those arguably are the best four teams in the N.F.C. That is hardly indicative of a team that doesn't have the talent to win. It's the poisoned culture here that is the biggest culprit of our losing and Gruden has got to change it. For the millionth time, YOU COULD COMPLAIN ABOUT SNYDER ALL YOU WANT, HE IS 48 YEARS OLD AND IS GOING NOWHERE. HE IS GOING TO OWN THIS TEAM FOR THE NEXT 40 YEARS.

 

The culture will have to be changed by the head coach and as daunting as a task as that may seem, it's the only way to change it. I think Gruden is growing more confident as a head coach as the weeks pass and in both his pressers on Sunday after the game and Monday afternoon, he appeared to be a guy who is growing into the job. I think he is getting over the "I want everybody to like me" phase that a lot of first time head coaches go through and from here on out he's not going to sit back soft. He's going to hold people accountable-- both players and coaches-- and that is a good start to changing things around here.

 

I know all about how we've been competitive and have come up short year after year and this looks like the same old story. Maybe it is. But I think we have a coach now who really cares, who is determined to change things and is not just here to get a big pay day. And to everyone who says the coach is not the problem here; Turner was a problem and failed everywhere else he went as a head coach. Schottenheimer was good and I think even Snyder has admitted that he made a mistake firing him. Spurrier was a problem and was a complete joke. I love Gibbs and thought he did a great overall job in his second tenure. But he was old and wasn't going to stay here for the long haul, especially with the Taylor tragedy. Zorn, enough said. Shanahan was a re-tread who bleeds Bronco orange and fit the bill as another Super Bowl winning coach with another team that couldn't duplicate his success with another team. Add to the fact that he appeared to have a lot of weasel in him and at the end of the day cared more about his ego and his legacy much more than he cared about the Washington Redskins.

 

So to me, the coach has been a major problem in the Snyder era and I fully understand that he has a big hand in hiring those guys. But this Gruden guy has a lot of fire in his belly and I'm now a believer in him being the right guy who is going to be around here for a while. This is his first head coaching gig, he didn't play in the N.F.L. and he has no real ties to other franchises. It feels like he is turning into a true Redskin guy that genuinely cares about the franchise and succeeding. To all who believe that the coach doesn't matter here and he's doomed to fail no matter what, you may very well be right. But at the same time, the coach is our only hope to change things because THE OWNER IS HERE FOR LIFE!  

[Sacks 'n' Stuff]

Call me when our TE is involved in a double homicide or they start filming the other team's walkthrough like which team? Forgot their name, know they play up north, on ESPN ALL THE TIME tho.

Or when we win 10+ games and go to the conference championship almost every year.

[Rodriggo]

Or when we win 10+ games and go to the conference championship almost every year.

 

Exactly, winning cures all as other people have mentioned. Otherwise you got to put up with yellow journalism.

[DC9]

Yeh it's easy when you can single out one player, and get rid of him, knowing you have plenty of other talent and weren't going to be able to pay him later anyways.

The report came out that they were too happy, Gruden talked to them, that wasn't the case again. Now this one about them being too boisterous, Gruden said he talked to them, we will see what happens from there.

Alright I give. I guess I'm going to be in the minority in believing the issues of this team are talent, talent evaluation and general management rather than locker room conduct of being too loud.

 

Those are the big problems.  But one issue is the root of the other.

[Boss_Hogg]

While the Redskins do have their issues both on the field and internally, I think this is being way overblown by Reid. Look around the league and you'll see dysfunction is commonplace. 

 

Seahawks - QB "not black enough", Marshawn Lynch is a locker room cancer, Percy Harvin traded

 

Eagles - KKK member on staff, Jeff Lurie and Kelly fabricating a gang story

 

Cowboys - Jerruh Jones

 

49ers - Jim Harbaugh treating players like toddlers, 49ers brass "sick" of Harbaugh's antics, police officers moonlighting for players

 

Bengals - How many arrests have the Bengals had since 2010?

 

Patriots - They get blown out by the Chiefs on MNF and BSPN is all over it stating that Brady wants out of NE

 

Ravens - Owner, coach, and GM try to cover up a gruesome video of Ray Rice beating his fiance

 

Texans - Apparently Clowney was tweeting during the game on Sunday while he was on the sideline. Plus the Texans players say they play on the worst playing surface in the NFL, which is odd because FedEx is worse IMO

 

The dysfunction is louder over here because we suck and the owner is an idiot.  

 

Problem is if we start winning, the next WaPo stories will be about how racist we are. Remember 2012? The team made an amazing run and captured the NFC East crown. We get bounced by the Seahags and guess what the lead story is on the Washington Post?

 

"What's in a name? The Redskins bad Karma."

 

It will never stop...BUT this team needs to do a better job on how they carry themselves.  

[zoony]

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The Redskins let the bad apples openly disrespect the quarterback in front of the press.

And then get into a pissing match with the media who report it.

[StephenDavis]

I'm telling you, this franchise is doomed from the top down. I guarantee you Gruden is already regretting taking this job. I have no idea what exactly should be changed. I just know that the locker room is broken, the team is broken. We are about to become one of those franchises where a player refuses to go play there because of all the BS baggage that comes with being a Redskin. I feel like we are fans of the worst team in sports at times. We are never quite the worst team in the league but we might as well be.

[mAshparie36]

What I'm getting from this is that the team really doesn't like the media. Good. They shouldn't. Not when there's this much bull**** spun out of Redskins park on a regular basis. When even the hometown paper is openly hostile toward the team... Would you be buddies with these people?

J Reid is one of the ringleaders here along with Wise and Jenkins. This is basically him whining about "professionalism" just because the players have shut him out. After his little spat with Clark from a couple weeks back? Too ****ing bad Jason.

**** these guys. **** the Washington Post and **** these small time reporters trying to make a name at the expense of this team.

Edit-

By the way. Not clicking the article and supporting this bull**** and neither should anyone else.

Again, **** these guys.

Amen to that brotha!

[DC9]

While the Redskins do have their issues both on the field and internally, I think this is being way overblown by Reid. Look around the league and you'll see dysfunction is commonplace. 

 

Seahawks - QB "not black enough", Marshawn Lynch is a locker room cancer, Percy Harvin traded

 

Eagles - KKK member on staff, Jeff Lurie and Kelly fabricating a gang story

 

Cowboys - Jerruh Jones

 

49ers - Jim Harbaugh treating players like toddlers, 49ers brass "sick" of Harbaugh's antics, police officers moonlighting for players

 

Bengals - How many arrests have the Bengals had since 2010?

 

Patriots - They get blown out by the Chiefs on MNF and BSPN is all over it stating that Brady wants out of NE

 

Ravens - Owner, coach, and GM try to cover up a gruesome video of Ray Rice beating his fiance

 

Texans - Apparently Clowney was tweeting during the game on Sunday while he was on the sideline. Plus the Texans players say they play on the worst playing surface in the NFL, which is odd because FedEx is worse IMO

 

I'd prefer my team not take the FSU/Jameis Winston approach of defending their problem child.

 

I want my team to acknowledge it's problems and fix them.

 

But you are correct, it's not likely to stop which is very sad.  The only way we are going to be successful is to luck into it.

[Skinsinparadise]

 The Gruden regime is barely past the mid point of the season, RG3 has only played his third game this year. How can RG3 be expected to be Tom Brady when a large chunk of fans/reporters keep pounding the "show me something" drum on every throw and dangling his next contract as a bogeyman for the rest of us? It can't all be true at the same time, pick your lane and stick with it.

 

Call me when our TE is involved in a double homicide or they start filming the other team's walkthrough like which team? Forgot their name, know they play up north, on ESPN ALL THE TIME tho.

 

This is a good post.   Geez the RG3 stuff is insane.  This is his 2nd game this year.  If you look up "the guy can do now wrong" Andrew Luck's stats in his 2nd game this season, they weren't good, and he lost too.  Russell Wilson had 5 horrific games early last season that if RG3 did the same the outcry would be insane. 

 

RG3 hasn't played in 6 games and just played one of the best defenses in the league.  The same defense that stifled Drew Brees and Matt Stafford.  But RG3 was decent in that game but heck he didn't play like Tom Brady.  And at this point if he doesn't play like Brady its a debacle, panic time, good just isn't good enough.  He needs to be elite all the time every game and he doesn't deserve a few games to find his stride, he needs to be elite immediately.  Luck and Wilson can afford to have some bad games, that's cool.  It isn't cool if its RG3.  

 

Now we got Sally Jenkins saying that Bridgewater is better than RG3 because he won.  Ok so is that the new gauge?  Alex Smith is then better than Tom Brady since the Chiefs beat them.

 

In my job I deal with the media all the time.  Do they misrepresent events that I am privy to.  Yes, all the time.  And more often they get it wrong then get it right.   Do they exaggerate? All the time.   Lets take this case, is it possible that a player or two wanted Colt to play.  Sure, what's so crazy about that, Colt just won 2 games.  Does that mean it was a ton of players or as Skip Bayless called a mutiny?  I doubt it.    Is it a sexy story to say its a straggler, no.    So the media leaves it to your imagination.   If you noticed they didn't say MANY players and that's the key.  If it was many they'd say it.    

 

I think that's the point that gets missed about the press from my own experience.  I was once even a press secretary.  So again I dealt with them a lot.  The press rarely gets the full characterization correct.  It's often a nugget they find and they blow it up and make it sexy. Then when you take them to task they defend themselves by saying yeah there is some truth to it.  And their fellow media colleagues of course cover their backs.   And for those who want to believe what the media is saying hook line and sinker -- they eat it up.

[GoSkins0721]

While the Redskins do have their issues both on the field and internally, I think this is being way overblown by Reid. Look around the league and you'll see dysfunction is commonplace. 

 

Seahawks - QB "not black enough", Marshawn Lynch is a locker room cancer, Percy Harvin traded

 

...etc...

 

You forgot:

 

Pittsburgh - QB allegedly rapes multiple women, pays them off to keep quiet, gets a 4 game suspension (12 games & a lifetime less than a Ravens RB gets for domestic violence) and the mouthpieces around the league keep quiet. 

 

And his ex-coach has the balls to laugh about the Redskins chances to beat the Cowboys. He should be hiding in a closet in shame for supporting that asshat....

[Destino]

It's really interesting how effective this "media hates us, so don't believe anything they say" political strategy is. I guess it makes sense that a Washington political strategy would be adopted by the local football team.

You forgot:

Pittsburgh - QB allegedly rapes multiple women, pays them off to keep quiet, gets a 4 game suspension (12 games & a lifetime less than a Ravens RB gets for domestic violence) and the mouthpieces around the league keep quiet.

And his ex-coach has the balls to laugh about the Redskins chances to beat the Cowboys. He should be hiding in a closet in shame for supporting that asshat....

So Ben was guilty? You know this?

[gortiz]

how can you have any opinion without knowing what it is like in the locker rooms of winning teams ... can you confidently sit there and go, "this does not happen X's locker room." 

 

I will take this with a grain a salt until I have some frame of reference ... and I leave with you with this: 

 

A lot of it had to do with Haley’s exceptionally large (private part), which he liked to expose to players, trainers, management and reporters. Sometimes he would take it out and stroke it inches from another player’s face; the players tried to laugh it off but Haley was relentless. He would masturbate during meetings, all the while trash-talking other player’s wives. Once Haley wrapped an Ace bandage around it and strolled through the locker room, screaming, “I’m the last naked warrior!”  http://nypost.com/2008/08/31/boys-will-be-boys/

[nemocystem]

So Ben was guilty? You know this?

That's what the media said.