WP: Washington Redskins: loud talk, little action, more losses than wins

[dballer]

The more I think about it....who really gives a ****.

 

What exactly are we talking about here? They are being too loud and boisterous in the locker room after practice? Is this really a big deal?

 

I don't know. I don't see it as a big deal. The only people who would care about this is the media, who miss out on their precious time around the players they want to go back and bash in an article. Seriously...being too loud in the locker room is being used as an example of the dysfunction around the organization? I just don't see it. There are certainly things wrong here, but is this an example of something that is wrong? What the hell does this really have to do with anything. Who cares if they are too loud for the media? 

 

Before the game this was wrong because they were doing it out of "disrespect" for Griffin. That gets refuted and now its just wrong because, because the media got pissed about it? Its a continuing problem because last week a player was playing his music too loud?

 

The problem I see with the organization in this situation is opening up the locker room after practice in the first place. After all of the fiasco this team has had with the media who the hell thought it was a good idea. This is the kind of stupidity that dogs the team. Not the players being "too loud". Damn this frustrates me. What good comes out of letting the reporters in the locker room. You got them reporting about having too jovial exchanges while in the shower stalls. This is stupid.  

[zoony]

It's like with that Evan Silva assclown... Would love to serve him a warm cup of stfu with a winning season. Would love have UnWise Mike and Sally Jenkins print their articles and eat them

But, alas, we can't. The sucketh runneth over. Again

Are we going to be any better next year? What about the year after that? Everyone feeling good about the model our franchise has put in to build a winner?

Oh wait, media hate. (Com)post. Etc etc

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I'm actually worried that Jay Gruden isn't going to want to stay at this point.

 

Boy I hope that doesn't happen. He might not be the next Bill Bellichick, but I think he has the exact type of demeanor and approach that we need here. 

[DC9]

Boy I hope that doesn't happen. He might not be the next Bill Bellichick, but I think he has the exact type of demeanor and approach that we need here. 

 

I agree, if he's allowed to do it his way.  Honestly he's the first hire we've made that was on my top 3 list during the search so I'm excited to see him pan out and I'm confident he has the goods (he was actually #2 behind David Shaw for those of you scoring at home, lol).

 

But to answer everyone else who is saying this isn't a big deal and refuse to read the OP and most of the posts in here... this doesn't happen with championship teams.  That's the difference.  And it's been happening here for a while.  That's what happens when you build a team out of a bunch of players who have been elsewhere.  They don't understand the "Redskins way" cause it isn't one.  We're too busy with "we did it this way in Pittsburgh" or "well **** that we did it this way in New York" or "Philly" and so on.

 

Don't get me wrong, I love players like Garcon and DJax, but you need to have a strong base of guys who grew up here and were drafted by THIS team and brought up OUR way to show them whats up and how we do it.  If you don't it leads to this.  And it has for 15 years now.

[chipwhich]

 

Don't get me wrong, I love players like Garcon and DJax, but you need to have a strong base of guys who grew up here and were drafted by THIS team and brought up OUR way to show them whats up and how we do it.  If you don't it leads to this.  And it has for 15 years now.

 

We don't like the draft.

[GoSkins0721]

The more I think about it....who really gives a ****.

 

What exactly are we talking about here? They are being too loud and boisterous in the locker room after practice? Is this really a big deal?

 

I don't know. I don't see it as a big deal. The only people who would care about this is the media, who miss out on their precious time around the players they want to go back and bash in an article. Seriously...being too loud in the locker room is being used as an example of the dysfunction around the organization? I just don't see it. There are certainly things wrong here, but is this an example of something that is wrong? What the hell does this really have to do with anything. Who cares if they are too loud for the media? 

 

Before the game this was wrong because they were doing it out of "disrespect" for Griffin. That gets refuted and now its just wrong because, because the media got pissed about it? Its a continuing problem because last week a player was playing his music too loud?

 

The problem I see with the organization in this situation is opening up the locker room after practice in the first place. After all of the fiasco this team has had with the media who the hell thought it was a good idea. This is the kind of stupidity that dogs the team. Not the players being "too loud". Damn this frustrates me. What good comes out of letting the reporters in the locker room. You got them reporting about having too jovial exchanges while in the shower stalls. This is stupid.  

 

Yeah, I'm in your corner on this one. 

 

For any reporter trying to compare what happened to Griffin in the locker room to what would happen to his holiness Brady in Boston is a fool. The Boston media drools over everything Brady. Hell, their dickhead head coach Belicheat refuses to answer questions and the fans & other national media outlets laugh about it. 

 

So we have a locker room full of 20-somethings yelling & being loud while an interview is trying to be conducted & this is a big deal? After practice? Doesn't make any sense to me. And, I don't see how this can be construed as "the locker room hates Griffin". 

 

And, no, I don't like the way this thing has been going for a long, long time. The FO has been a **** show. As I've said before, I gave up my 30+ years of ST because of the constant losing & money grabbing tactics of the FO. 

[DC9]

Head coaching jobs are hard to come by. He won't give it up that easy.

 

I think he'll do his damndest, but if he is catching legitimate static from up top why should he?

 

He's young, he has been a hot coordinator, and he's NFL royalty. 

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

I'm sure a lot of ppl in power with Skins feel the same as GoSkins and that's the biggest problem

It's really no surprise that we finish last every ****ing year

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

It's not about being classy or treating the media with respect. Bellichick dresses like a hobo and generally behaves as if reporters have Ebola.

 

The issue is acting like a professional football player. Part of the job is respecting your QB and letting reporters do their jobs without physically interfering. You don't have to be nice to reporters. You don't have to give them anything in your answers.

 

But your goddamn QB shouldn't have to flee the locker room because you are acting like a bully on the JV team at City High.

 

Here is the question: if the players are willing to behave this way towards each other in front of the openly hostile Post, what the hell are they doing behind closed doors?

 

Look: I like players who have personality. I would draft a punch of coked-out steroid abusers if they had All Pro talent. But, I would expect them to take their goddamn job seriously. You can behave like Gronkowski in public all you want as long as you behave like Gronkowski in the building. Our guys have never seemed to get that in the Snyder Era.

[DC9]

 

We don't like the draft.

 

 

Ah ha!

 

So we get back to that and TD's great thread from a couple of weeks back about hiring a legit GM and investing in a state of the art scouting department with advanced matrices. 

 

Unless you want to keep relying on "we're a top 10 defense in yardage" type stuff.

 

Dan has the money to do it, but does he want to?  This is that "top down" stuff everyone (even you) are talking about.

It's really no surprise that we finish last every ****ing year

 

Not anymore.  I thought the lights went on for me years ago, but they really have come on this year.

[dballer]

But to answer everyone else who is saying this isn't a big deal and refuse to read the OP and most of the posts in here... this doesn't happen with championship teams.  That's the difference.

 

I am just not buying this. What doesn't happen with championship teams? They don't have issues with the media? Seattle's locker room is supposedly imploding. 49ers supposedly in the midst of a three front war between coaches players and owners. Brady and Belichek were done together and had no trust after week 2. Who else? Ravens? Had a damn media circus to start the year, and it wasn't just one player it was an entire organizational media dysfunction. I mean who else?

 

This kind of issue is not exclusive to this team, or to bad teams. 

 

Now we have other issues and flaws that may be exclusive to losing teams. But this whole crap about the way the team interacts with the Media has nothing to do with it. 

[NIKKI8]

I have a quick solution....

 

Immediately rebuild the team with your own guys.  I'm talking - identify the building blocks you have (we have about 10-15) and waive everyone else.  Invest heavily in the draft and UDFA and start from scratch.

 

I'm very disappointed in Ryan Clark.  I thought he'd solve a lot of these issues with leadership by coming back but it seems he's being identified as the "know it all" ring leader.  I know it's not just him, too... but I'm disappointed in him nonetheless.

 

Blow it up next year and we're in the money by 2016 going forward.  At this point that's the only way I renew my Season Tickets.

              I agree. These players are so used to how things are run around Redskins park that that a lot of them don't care if they win or lose and it shows by the uninspired way they play on the field. I don't see any real leaders on this team. Gruden seems like a good leader but as you said he needs to get rid of the bad apples and show that he is in charge. I don't think the players respect Haslett, I know London Fletcher said he should be fired when Shanahan was fired.  

[chipwhich]

I am just not buying this. What doesn't happen with championship teams? They don't have issues with the media? Seattle's locker room is supposedly imploding. 49ers supposedly in the midst of a three front war between coaches players and owners. Brady and Belichek were done together and had no trust after week 2. Who else? Ravens? Had a damn media circus to start the year, and it wasn't just one player it was an entire organizational media dysfunction. I mean who else?

 

This kind of issue is not exclusive to this team, or to bad teams. 

 

Now we have other issues and flaws that may be exclusive to losing teams. But this whole crap about the way the team interacts with the Media has nothing to do with it. 

 

Bruce Allen HIMSELF said he didn't like some of this stuff.  If it's problem enough for Bruce Allen.....

[DC9]

I am just not buying this. What doesn't happen with championship teams? They don't have issues with the media? Seattle's locker room is supposedly imploding. 49ers supposedly in the midst of a three front war between coaches players and owners. Brady and Belichek were done together and had no trust after week 2. Who else? Ravens? Had a damn media circus to start the year, and it wasn't just one player it was an entire organizational media dysfunction. I mean who else?

 

Did you hear anything out of Seattle's locker room last year?

 

You are this year and they are fighting for a wild card now aren't they?

 

EDIT:  To the credit of Seattle's PROFESSIONAL organization, they traded the problem that just the year before they invested MANY high draft picks in and took a loss for the benefit of the team.  Have we done anything CLOSE to that?

 

Same with the 49ers.

[zoony]

Ian Rappaport, hater. Don't believe the hype from the (com)Post!

@RapSheet: Very real stuff RT @MikeJonesWaPo: From my guy @JReidPost Redskins: loud talk, little action, more losses than wins http://t.co/ztMHQa9ixX

[GoSkins0721]

I'm sure a lot of ppl in power with Skins feel the same as GoSkins and that's the biggest problem

It's really no surprise that we finish last every ****ing year

 

Oh, so the people in power don't care if there's noise in the locker room after practice when reporters come in and that's now a huge, huge problem? It makes the team play like **** on Sunday? It makes Haslett stop calling plays that work for an entire half? It stops the RT from being a ****ing sieve when he pass blocks? 

 

Got it. Make the locker room quiet so the media can do their jobs after practice and all of the coaching dysfunction & inadequacies will go away. 

 

Posted Today, 02:29 PM

Ian Rappaport, hater. Don't believe the hype from the (com)Post!

@RapSheet: Very real stuff RT @MikeJonesWaPo: From my guy @JReidPost Redskins: loud talk, little action, more losses than wins http://t.co/ztMHQa9ixX

 

Oh, I don't disagree there's a contingent of players who aren't putting forth their best effort. That has been a problem for a long, long time. Yeah, that's the FO's fault for bringing in the wrong guys. Again. Year after year. But that's not news. That's Redskins SOP. This is why the team has sucked for years. It's unrelated to yelling during an interview.

 

I'm saying yelling & carrying on during an interview is pretty much synonymous with dumping water on a guys head while he's doing an interview or photo-bombing an interview. 

[dballer]

Did you hear anything out of Seattle's locker room last year?

 

You are this year and they are fighting for a wild card now aren't they?

 

Same with the 49ers.

 

But that is my point...

 

If we were winning games this wouldn't matter. This is only being attributed to a loser mentality because we are losing.

 

Its not like this stuff wasn't happening in Seattle last year. I mean they are fighting in the locker room before they go out and win the super bowl. We didn't hear about it because they were winning. 

 

This isn't causing losses. Losses are causing this to be a big deal.

 

We aren't losing because the guys don't like the media. We are losing because the players aren't good enough, and in some circumstances they aren't being coached well enough.

[DC9]

But that is my point...

 

If we were winning games this wouldn't matter. This is only being attributed to a loser mentality because we are losing.

 

Its not like this stuff wasn't happening in Seattle last year. I mean they are fighting in the locker room before they go out and win the super bowl. We didn't hear about it because they were winning. 

 

Read the edit I made.

 

Seattle traded Harvin... who they traded many picks for, including a 1st for a couple of conditional picks.  And he had a little more than a cup of coffee for them.

 

Professional organizations make moves like that.  How long did we keep Haynesworth around?  Or Wilkenson?  Or all of the others just because of what we paid for them?

 

EDIT:  Oh yeah... and your Patriots traded Randy Moss, too.

 

You're not getting it yet?

 

I'll give you a hint... it ties together with why we are NOT winning and are still using the same formula.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

It's not about being classy or treating the media with respect. Bellichick dresses like a hobo and generally behaves as if reporters have Ebola.

 

The issue is acting like a professional football player. Part of the job is respecting your QB and letting reporters do their jobs without physically interfering. You don't have to be nice to reporters. You don't have to give them anything in your answers.

 

But your goddamn QB shouldn't have to flee the locker room because you are acting like a bully on the JV team at City High.

 

Here is the question: if the players are willing to behave this way towards each other in front of the openly hostile Post, what the hell are they doing behind closed doors?

 

Look: I like players who have personality. I would draft a punch of coked-out steroid abusers if they had All Pro talent. But, I would expect them to take their goddamn job seriously. You can behave like Gronkowski in public all you want as long as you behave like Gronkowski in the building. Our guys have never seemed to get that in the Snyder Era.

Even a deviant like LKB can understand the problem here lol

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Has nothing to do with the name change. It has to do with the fact that this is clearly a hatchet piece by a worthless local paper still pissing on the team because Snyder took their free tickets away, and you're bringing here like it's gospel.

All because the team lost yesterday.

I'm well aware of the voluntary nature of the (Com)Post policy. I still say the article shouldn't have been posted because we shouldn't be helping them with their agenda against this team.

And the (Com)Post has an agenda.

 

Is ComPost an insult?  Compost is a very useful thing.  

[Dissident2]

Shhh.. don't bring facts here. Only mindless ranting. You know all this evil didn't start until Snyder got here and these things can only happen in a Snyder locker room.

Get with the program. LOL

 

Comparing this with Riggins being drunk or peeing on himself is a TERRIBLE comparison. That's something that happened with his teammates, and I'm sure Gibbs chastized him for it. But that was a completely internal thing, not something that happened with the media or something that was an attempt to undermine other players or the team itself.

 

In short, I'd much rather have THAT kind of "leak" than the kinds we have today. With the Riggo leak, you knew exactly what the source of that leak was. The kinds we have today - from all these unnamed players and sources - simply underscore the fact that people in that organization just don't have each others' backs, and THAT is because the person at the top doesn't have theirs.

[zoony]

Comparing this with Riggins being drunk or peeing on himself is a TERRIBLE comparison. That's something that happened with his teammates, and I'm sure Gibbs chastized him for it. But that was a completely internal thing, not something that happened with the media or something that was an attempt to undermine other players or the team itself.

 

In short, I'd much rather have THAT kind of "leak" than the kinds we have today. With the Riggo leak, you knew exactly what the source of that leak was. The kinds we have today - from all these unnamed players and sources - simply underscore the fact that people in that organization just don't have each others' backs, and THAT is because the person at the top doesn't have theirs.

Did you know that the OLine used to drink beers in a shed out back? Clearly the 1980s redskins had problems

Personally, I blame the media

[dballer]

Read the edit I made.

Seattle traded Harvin... who they traded many picks for, including a 1st for a couple of conditional picks. And he had a little more than a cup of coffee for them.

Professional organizations make moves like that. How long did we keep Haynesworth around? Or Wilkenson? Or all of the others just because of what we paid for them?

EDIT: Oh yeah... and your Patriots traded Randy Moss, too.

You're not getting it yet?

I'll give you a hint... it ties together with why we are NOT winning and are still using the same formula.

But do you think that situation is similar? These guys aren't fighting each other, from the most part it seems they are sticking together.

And the patriots traded Moss, before picking up Your Haynesworth. And picked up Moss after he had quit in two teams.

And these guys here aren't doing anything as egregious as what those guys did.

From all I can see these guys are actually a good group, who really play hard.

We aren't winning because we aren't good enough.

[DC9]

In short, I'd much rather have THAT kind of "leak" than the kinds we have today. With the Riggo leak, you knew exactly what the source of that leak was. The kinds we have today - from all these unnamed players and sources - simply underscore the fact that people in that organization just don't have each others' backs, and THAT is because the person at the top doesn't have theirs.

 

That was hilarious.

 

Thank you for that.

[Dan T.]

Then why are you still here? If you are THAT miserable, why do you hang around, if you despise what a "Circus" the team has become?

If Snyder is the root of all evil here, then you might as well pack your bags and split because that root is strong and deep, and will be here for several more decades.

Only a fool stays on a sinking ship. If you perceive that ship to be sinking, then get off now.

My dynamic as a fan of the team has changed over time. I now watch week to week - every week - with little to no expectation of victory. A win is a mildly pleasant surprise. And that change is a self-defense mechanism.

I'm old enough to remember the glory days of Gibbs I. If I pined for wins now as I did then I'd probably end up standing on an I-beam exposed by the torn out seats at FedEx, contemplating stepping off into the Gold Parking lot below.

The anger and frustration still flash Sundays after yet another loss, but that pretty quickly dissolves into bemused resignation by the end of the afternoon.

I have some mild hope for a return to excellence. And in the NFL, almost any team can bubble up and have a surprise run in a season. Almost any team. But I'm not holding my breath. This must be what it's like to be a Lions fan.