WP: Washington Redskins: loud talk, little action, more losses than wins

[Boss_Hogg]

Jason Reid got into a small physical altercation with fellow compost reporter Mike Jones in Arizona. Apparently Reid grabbed jones and pulled him back before he could ask clown shoes Wylie about player inactives. Reid was hellbent on tweeting the inactives before anyone else at the compost.

Point is that Reid is bisch and he's been a bisch since Shanny kicked his boy all the way to Oakland for a late round pick.

**** the Washington post, **** Jason Reid and **** UnWise Mike.

[CrypticVillain]

Didn't Ryan Clark call out Jason Reid during their little Twitter spat about Reid getting into another reporters face and challenging them to a fight lol

This.

I'm not saying Reid is wrong, I just thick he's throwing stones in a glass house.

[Boss_Hogg]

So what if the players don't like the media? Maybe it's because jerks like UnWise Mike imply that the bus crash was karma because the owner won't change the name?

Or maybe it's because Shanny leaked a ton of **** towards the end of last year?

This team sucks ass, we know that, but let's focus on how to fix this mess schematically rather than ****ing about players "yelling" in the locker room.

If the Skins were 6-3 the "yelling" in the locker room would be a non-issue.

[HAILSKINSNYC]

I've said this before...the media in general are agenda driven pigs....period.    it's about the story, not the facts.    They need to write and talk about things other then football...especially when the team is 3-6.

 

I'm sure there's some truth to all this nonsense, but I'm also sure this happens with most organizations.

[chipwhich]

If the Skins were 6-3 the "yelling" in the locker room would be a non-issue.

 

Kk,  What year should we decide it's a non issue?  Oh I know in the offseason when we make some key signings or when we win our first preseason game. 

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

So because the media is critical of the team, the players are allowed to act like kids?

Some of you need to grow the **** up

The players are wrong. Period

And it's very disturbing that Gruden allows that ****

They are grown ass men. You'd think someone would speak up. But I guess a ****ty ass team would have a ****ty ass locker room environment as well

And the story isn't made up. Multiple ppl have reported it.

[Boss_Hogg]

Kk, What year should we decide it's a non issue? Oh I know in the offseason when we make some key signings or when we win our first preseason game.

Gotta win games. This team doesn't have the horses (talent) to win at this time unfortunately.

Win and all the noise goes away.

[chipwhich]

Gotta win games. This team doesn't have the horses (talent) to win at this time unfortunately.

Win and all the noise goes away.

 

Exactly why we need a GM.

 

But we keep doing the same tired routine.

[luckydevil]

This is problem that's starts at the very top. When the owner doesn't respect the media, we shouldn't be surprised when his players don't as well

[skins island connection]

 None of this would be happening if Gibbs were the HC.

 

 Its all about class, or lack thereof, of the players. Are guys upset about being 3-6? You bet! But the best way to get the media off their backs is to win, and they're not doing that.

 

 The locker room or any room on any portion of Redskins property where players are at should hold themselves and act like adults. Media will never go away, its what puts food on their table, whether they are working for or against the team, but its up to the players to keep composure, act civil, and suck it up, not act like a bunch of detention hall school bullies.

 

But there is a huge lack of leadership from the top down, and someone has to step up and be a vocal leader on a number of levels. Its all about class, and there's no game plan on earth that can train a player for it, it comes from within.

[dballer]

So because the media is critical of the team, the players are allowed to act like kids?

Some of you need to grow the **** up

The players are wrong. Period

And it's very disturbing that Gruden allows that

Imagine managing 53 grown testosterone driven men. Plus all of the other people that need managing within the organization. While also trying to put together practice schedules and game plans. Hard to blame it on Gruden since it was here before he got here. Is he supposed to be benching or cutting the guys who do this stuff? What if it's Trent, Hatcher, Desean, Garçon?...

Yeh he's got to set a tone with the guys but some of that kind of stuff takes time. We just have to look at it in a vacuum. It's too early to blame Gruden.

And while it does seem immature, it's not like the media doesn't play this up. They have a high sense of entitlement and when they are challenged or not able to get the access they want they are going to be upset. And when they are upset they write.

And god knows it's always the same thing, this wouldn't be an issue if they are winning. They'd be seen as a fun boisterous locker room and we'd all love them. win games to change narrative.

[MartinC]

Gotta win games. This team doesn't have the horses (talent) to win at this time unfortunately.

Win and all the noise goes away.

 

I think we do have the talent to win games. I see teams win every week with equal or worse talent - sometimes against us (see last weekends game against the Vikes). What we don't have is the culture throughout the organisation which creates a winning environment. 

 

I've always believed culture starts at the top.

 None of this would be happening if Gibbs were the HC.

 

All kinds of crap happened when Gibbs was HC even first time around.

 

We were winning though so no-one really cared, it was not destructive because there was a winning culture around the organisation (whatever happened during the week EVERYONE came to play Sunday) and there was a much different level of media scrutiny and no real interest or coverage of the non football related stories unless it was WAY over the line.

[Long n Left]

Biggest thing I took from this is the supposed leadership vacuum, and the fact that Trent Williams was not mentioned as a natural guy to assume that role. Pro Bowler, career Redskin, and a big mean SOB who could easily enforce the my way or the highway code. Is it because Reid is afraid of reprisal, or because Trent is a ringleader of the shenanigans? 

 

Whatever it is, I think Silverback is THE guy to step up and be the face of this team, and lead it to respectability. The question is, can he?

[dballer]

I think we do have the talent to win games. I see teams win every week with equal or worse talent - sometimes against us (see last weekends game against the Vikes). What we don't have is the culture throughout the organisation which creates a winning environment. 

 

I've always believed culture starts at the top.

 

All kinds of crap happened when Gibbs was HC even first time around.

 

We were winning though so no-one really cared, it was not destructive because there was a winning culture around the organisation (whatever happened during the week EVERYONE came to play Sunday) and there was a much different level of media scrutiny and no real interest or coverage of the non football related stories unless it was WAY over the line.

 

 

I think you are right here. A team having a winning culture and acting like a bunch of dummies isn't mutually exclusive. Heck, I am not sure it is even related at all.

 

Every team has dummies and idiots that do stupid stuff. Pick one...Patriots are buttoned up huh? Yeh Gronk, Hernandez, Welker...bring in Browner, Haynesworth, Randy Moss. They have never been a locker room of class acts. But they win. Then, beginning of this year, they lose a couple and all of a sudden reports coming out about "Coaches think Brady is done. Ready to move to Garoppolo. Brady doesn't trust the system. Brady is unhappy"...Guess how they silenced that?

 

The fact that this is DC magnifies that stuff even more. 

 

And while a winning environment may start at the top...there is another way to create it...WIN MORE GAMES!

[Dissident2]

And again, it all starts at the top. This is the kind of culture our tiny overlord creates. I've been saying this for years, as have many others. To steal from the compost's ad campaign, "If you don't get it, you don't get it." 

 

Tiny boy-man Snyder fosters an attitude of disrespect and unprofessionalism where people are only looking out for themselves. No sense of camaraderie. No sense of brotherhood or family. A coach can help curb that kind of thing in the locker-room, but because of the culture OUTSIDE of the locker room, which always filters in because Snyder's soulless minions BRING it in, it's that much harder to do. 

 

I despise many of these reporters as well, including Reid. But when he says "warped organizational culture," he is RIGHT ON THE MONEY.  And that is a HUGE reason why we continue to suck like a Dyson.

[skins island connection]

All kinds of crap happened when Gibbs was HC even first time around.

 

We were winning though so no-one really cared, it was not destructive because there was a winning culture around the organisation (whatever happened during the week EVERYONE came to play Sunday) and there was a much different level of media scrutiny and no real interest or coverage of the non football related stories unless it was WAY over the line.

 

Maybe it was more on his 2nd stint, but during his first one, he had the respect of his players, and he expected his players to act civil, and they did.

After waxing the Falcons, there was an interview with a Redskin player after the game, can't remember who it was, maybe Jumpy Geathers, but he was being interviewed, and he said something to the effect of 'see how they disrespecting us? This is a class A organization here, we don't need all of that crap going on here like they do'.

 

The players can hold themselves higher than that, testosterone or not; maybe winning will cool it down, but maybe the players don't have faith in some players or coaches and its their way of expressing their feelings about it.

Either way, behind the scenes, it is getting out of control, and someone needs to step in and divert this before it becomes another black eye for the organization.

[Birdlives]

You can hate the media and their attitude and still be professional and rise above the petty BS. The fact that this team doesn't, that they take anything the media says and gets flustered by it, is a serious problem. It shouldn't matter what the media says. The team and players should still act in a professional manner and let the media feed on itself. Snyder has always had issues with the media because he couldn't rise above the criticism. The criticism should be ignored and not addressed. That's what the media does, it should be expected and disregarded. Any other attitude will just be more destructive, not less.

[fearlessNelms]

Winning= Universal Solvent!

[SkinsGuy]

And Gary Fitzgerald? Hater, right? Lets be clear

Haven't read Fitzgerald. What I do know is what the (Com)Post is. They have an agenda and I don't trust them as far as I could throw FED EX Field.

ES wouldn't have a voluntary boycott against them if they were someone we could rely on and trust.

Even if there is a sliver of truth in their crap, it is buried in layers of bile and propaganda.

We shouldn't be giving the (Com)Post an extra avenue to spread their filth.

[endzone_dave]

The main thing from the article is this: "The Redskins appear to be speeding toward their sixth last-place finish in seven seasons and eighth in 11."

 

It would be hard to believe a team that loses this much would have a model locker room.

[zoony]

Haven't read Fitzgerald. What I do know is what the (Com)Post is. They have an agenda and I don't trust them as far as I could throw FED EX Field.ES wouldn't have a voluntary boycott against them if they were someone we could rely on and trust.Even if there is a sliver of truth in their crap, it is buried in layers of bile and propaganda.We shouldn't be giving the (Com)Post an extra avenue to spread their filth.

Fitzgerald was a 13 year Redskins employee and was editor of Redskins.com. He worked in Redskins Park every day

Just another hater with an agenda.

[chipwhich]

 None of this would be happening if Gibbs were the HC.

 

When Gibbs was here the drama was just as bad.

[ConcordNCSkinsFan]

What I'm getting from this is that the team really doesn't like the media. Good. They shouldn't. Not when there's this much bull**** spun out of Redskins park on a regular basis. When even the hometown paper is openly hostile toward the team... Would you be buddies with these people?

J Reid is one of the ringleaders here along with Wise and Jenkins. This is basically him whining about "professionalism" just because the players have shut him out. After his little spat with Clark from a couple weeks back? Too ****ing bad Jason.

**** these guys. **** the Washington Post and **** these small time reporters trying to make a name at the expense of this team.

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By the way. Not clicking the article and supporting this bull**** and neither should anyone else.

Again, **** these guys.

 

 

I get your frustration and the Media doesn't deserve a pass. They've all resorted to TMZ/Hollywood Gossip style reporting. However it's on the players to be above this nonsense and stop airing dirty laundry through anonymous sources. If they performed consistently on the field they also wouldn't have to hear so much crap.

[Burgold]

I can't decide if this is "Boys will be boys" or something more serious.  There's nothing wrong with a little horseplay and ribbing and even heckling in good fun between team mates.  Most of us laugh when a baseball player gets a cream pie shoved in their face during an interview.  And yeah, that's disrespectful too.  On the other hand, goofing around smells better after a win then after a collapse and choke job.  You'd hope the team would be more serious and focused.

 

So, I'm not sure if this is a symptom of team that's loose and likes each other or a team lacking discipline and growing hostile.  I'll reemphasize that time and place matter to me.  If you do an elaborate first down dance while your team is down twenty it looks a lot stupider than if your team is up or the game is tight.  Right now, the persona the team projects shouldn't be anything but sober.  Look at the scoreboard.

[SkinsGuy]

You can hate the media and their attitude and still be professional and rise above the petty BS. The fact that this team doesn't, that they take anything the media says and gets flustered by it, is a serious problem. It shouldn't matter what the media says. The team and players should still act in a professional manner and let the media feed on itself. Snyder has always had issues with the media because he couldn't rise above the criticism. The criticism should be ignored and not addressed. That's what the media does, it should be expected and disregarded. Any other attitude will just be more destructive, not less.

Keep in mind that this crap is coming from the media, especially the (Com)Post.

The (Com)Post will lie and overstate things because of their agenda. Just another cheap swipe at Snyder and the Redskins.

Gruden and RG3 have already shot all this nonsense down about disrespect in the locker room and the owner picking the QBs. Look at the article. The (Com)Post acts like it's their locker room and the Redskins are the unruly guests. Who the hell do these assholes think they are? LOL

Go back and look at my posts before the game. I predicted that if the Redskins lost to the Vikings, all this negative stuff being put out by the likes of BSPN and the (Com)Post and was being dismissed would suddenly become gospel by the irrational mob.

And here it is. The team lost so now the ones throwing the loudest temper tantrums are spreading all this nonsense that was being rejected before the game as it is now the truth.

I'm unhappy the team lost, too. However, I am not going to be irrational about it to the point of believing much of anything the worthless rag known as the (Com)Post has to say.

Don't help them spread their agenda against the team.