Still Time For This Redskins Season To Not Feel Like A Redskins Season

[Dissident2]

At 1-5, things felt like "same ole skins." Then for two weeks it was like "well, maybe not." And today it was like, "well, here we are again." So it's teetering. But I still have hope that we end 2014 feeling good. I'd say the Tampa game looms large in that regard.

 

It's felt like "same old Skins" for pretty much all but two games: Jacksonville and Dallas. The Titans game, even though we won, was ugly as hell. We were lucky we came away with that one. 

 

Today was so excruciating because it was SO expected. It was "the script." We can't get away from "the script." That's what makes these seasons so difficult. The same thing happens, over and over and over. And we know it's coming. Occasionally something happens that gives you a sliver of hope that the team can break through whatever the hell this cloud is that hangs over them, but that makes things even more difficult, because as soon as you feel that positivity and decided to embrace it a little, they mule kick your spleen with an expected let down against a rookie QB leading a terrible team. 

 

Year in, year out, it's the same ... damn ... thing. Coaches change, players change ..... the same ... damn .... thing. 

 

And let's not forget the added bonus of watching people who failed with us succeed elsewhere. Have we ever beaten Norv since he left us? Maybe once, when he was with the Raiders. I don't know. He usually schools us. And now Lil' Shanny is finding success in Cleveland. It's senseless. 

 

RG3 doesn't seem to be the answer we thought he was. Morris isn't playing up to his standards this year. The defense is awful and continues to predictably fail when we need a stop (except in Dallas, thankfully). I have no answers. 

 

One thing I DO like is Gruden. I think he has the makings of a good coach. With this franchise, I just don't know if that will be enough. 

 

I really thought a three-game winning streak would have the potential of turning this season around and, while the playoffs would've still been a fantasy, giving us a good feeling moving forward. 

 

But, we Hasletted the bed again. Groundhog day starts anew. Once more into the stink.

[Cooleyfan1993]

It's felt like "same old Skins" for pretty much all but two games: Jacksonville and Dallas. The Titans game, even though we won, was ugly as hell. We were lucky we came away with that one. 

 

Today was so excruciating because it was SO expected. It was "the script." We can't get away from "the script." That's what makes these seasons so difficult. The same thing happens, over and over and over. And we know it's coming. Occasionally something happens that gives you a sliver of hope that the team can break through whatever the hell this cloud is that hangs over them, but that makes things even more difficult, because as soon as you feel that positivity and decided to embrace it a little, they mule kick your spleen with an expected let down against a rookie QB leading a terrible team. 

 

Year in, year out, it's the same ... damn ... thing. Coaches change, players change ..... the same ... damn .... thing. 

 

And let's not forget the added bonus of watching people who failed with us succeed elsewhere. Have we ever beaten Norv since he left us? Maybe once, when he was with the Raiders. I don't know. He usually schools us. And now Lil' Shanny is finding success in Cleveland. It's senseless. 

 

RG3 doesn't seem to be the answer we thought he was. Morris isn't playing up to his standards this year. The defense is awful and continues to predictably fail when we need a stop (except in Dallas, thankfully). I have no answers. 

 

One thing I DO like is Gruden. I think he has the makings of a good coach. With this franchise, I just don't know if that will be enough. 

 

I really thought a three-game winning streak would have the potential of turning this season around and, while the playoffs would've still been a fantasy, giving us a good feeling moving forward. 

 

But, we Hasletted the bed again. Groundhog day starts anew. Once more into the stink.

we beat the chargers last season and the chargers had Norv Turner as their offensive coordinator

[Voice_of_Reason]

we beat the chargers last season and the chargers had Norv Turner as their offensive coordinator

That's not true, I don't think.

Norv was the HC of the chargers, but was fired 2 years ago, I think.

[Cooleyfan1993]

That's not true, I don't think.

Norv was the HC of the chargers, but was fired 2 years ago, I think.

ah my bad, he was offensive coordinator of the browns last season. my mistake.

[skinshokies31]

He was the Browns OC last year

[Voice_of_Reason]

ah my bad, he was offensive coordinator of the browns last season. my mistake.

I think we're 0-6 against Norv in any capacity since he was fired.

I have to say, I wasn't sad to see him go, but he shouldn't have been fired with a winning record in season.

That was a mistake.

[Dissident2]

I think we're 0-6 against Norv in any capacity since he was fired.

I have to say, I wasn't sad to see him go, but he shouldn't have been fired with a winning record in season.

That was a mistake.

 

I never had a problem with him being fired. That season was going nowhere, with or without him. I had a BIG problem with the classless way Little Big Man did it. Told Norv he'd meet him after the game and left him waiting like an idiot for more than two hours before Norv realized he wasn't going to show at all. Fired him the next day. Norv deserved to be fired. He was terrible. He did NOT, however, deserve to be treated like a piece of garbage. That's our owner for you. That's the tone he sets from his tiny throne. And yeah, I know that was years ago, but I don't think the way he treats people has changed much at all. Norv must take some extra special glee every time he beats Snyder. 

[TD Riggo]

With 7 games left, I still think compiling wins and momentum is more important than draft slot. If it gets down to 2-3 games and we are looking miserable then I'll be with you.

 

 

Exactly. I'm sick of hearing the "play for draft picks" crap year after year!  Why is it that the most successful team of the past decade and a half -- the Bradiots -- never talk about losing just to get a higher #1? We need to get our heads out of the loser mentality and hope that Gruden will try to win EVERY game possible, regardless of draft picks!

[kleese]

It's felt like "same old Skins" for pretty much all but two games: Jacksonville and Dallas. The Titans game, even though we won, was ugly as hell. We were lucky we came away with that one.

Today was so excruciating because it was SO expected. It was "the script." We can't get away from "the script." That's what makes these seasons so difficult. The same thing happens, over and over and over. And we know it's coming. Occasionally something happens that gives you a sliver of hope that the team can break through whatever the hell this cloud is that hangs over them, but that makes things even more difficult, because as soon as you feel that positivity and decided to embrace it a little, they mule kick your spleen with an expected let down against a rookie QB leading a terrible team.

Year in, year out, it's the same ... damn ... thing. Coaches change, players change ..... the same ... damn .... thing.

And let's not forget the added bonus of watching people who failed with us succeed elsewhere. Have we ever beaten Norv since he left us? Maybe once, when he was with the Raiders. I don't know. He usually schools us. And now Lil' Shanny is finding success in Cleveland. It's senseless.

RG3 doesn't seem to be the answer we thought he was. Morris isn't playing up to his standards this year. The defense is awful and continues to predictably fail when we need a stop (except in Dallas, thankfully). I have no answers.

One thing I DO like is Gruden. I think he has the makings of a good coach. With this franchise, I just don't know if that will be enough.

I really thought a three-game winning streak would have the potential of turning this season around and, while the playoffs would've still been a fantasy, giving us a good feeling moving forward.

But, we Hasletted the bed again. Groundhog day starts anew. Once more into the stink.

Eh, as I keep saying, too emotional and nostalgic for me. All I care about is this:

Allen and Gruden took over a 3-13 team (I'm giving Allen a clean slate as well). They are about 55% in to season one. If the season tanks and we don't feel much better at the end of 2014 than we did 2013, then that's s major problem. But I'm only judging this year on thst curve and nothing more.

[Paul Cumberland]

I think we're 0-6 against Norv in any capacity since he was fired.

I have to say, I wasn't sad to see him go, but he shouldn't have been fired with a winning record in season.

That was a mistake.

 

N.O.R.V.  which stands for Not One Redskins Victory.... and later Not One Raiders Victory.... i was happy to see leave..... the one we should have kept from back then was Casserly who without wouldn't have gotten the replacement players nor the plan B free agents we got to win SB's......  just say'n.....

[SkinsFTW]

It's pretty sad when Redskins fans are hoping to do what Dallas does every year. Start out with 5-6 early wins only to lose out and finish 8-8

 

Personally I prefer it when they show us the suckage early on. Nothing worse than that year Norv had the team at 7-1 and I'm talking all kinds of **** at work then we finish 9-7 losing to scrub teams including being swept by the Arizona Cardinals but we won against both the Cowboys and Eagles during that suckfest.

[skinsnut1823]

According to "inside sources" we still suck. I woke up this morning and checked again and apparently we do still suck. I love this team regardless but I called it before game time that we would let ourselves down. Having scored twice in the 4th to take the lead, this is all on the D. I blame Haslett for not keeping the d focused on the job at hand. We need to start over there. I mean we have two former head coaches on d for Christ sake. I will continue to watch and be aggregated but hopefully we salvage some part of the season.

I do this far believe in Gruden. He calls it like he sees it.

[bobbi3stix]

Hazless needs to be gone yesterday.Paulsen,Golston,Bowen,Biggers,Chester,Lauvou,Polombus need to go.Ryan Clark is washed up,we need young quick athletic safety & DE Badly!!jarvis Jenkins meh.....Murphy already looks better than bust Orakpo.

 

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks this. He's downright pathetic and I'm almost convinced he has always been good because of who has been playing alongside him (Polamalu, Taylor).

[hail2skins]

It's pretty sad when Redskins fans are hoping to do what Dallas does every year. Start out with 5-6 early wins only to lose out and finish 8-8

 

Personally I prefer it when they show us the suckage early on. Nothing worse than that year Norv had the team at 7-1 and I'm talking all kinds of **** at work then we finish 9-7 losing to scrub teams including being swept by the Arizona Cardinals but we won against both the Cowboys and Eagles during that suckfest.

Hope > no hope.  I'd rather not have to rely on miracles like 2012.

 

Dallas is a nationally overhyped team and we like to laugh at how much they choke in December and in big games, but at least they are in those games!  I don't mean to say that we shouldn't have higher goals than to be in end-of-season games for the division championship, but it would be nice to go to a game at FedEx in late December with something still on the line for the Skins.

 

And I agree with Kleese that we can't take out our historical frustrations on a first-year coach.  But its frustrating to see a game play out against the same opponent so similarly as it did last year.  Largely goes back to not making a change at the DC spot......who made THAT call?

[fearlessNelms]

This team is not that bad, they're in every game-- save the Giants -- and I firmly believe that we can go 7-9 or 500. I know the D has been bad at times, but bad special teams play-- which has improved-- and turnovers have obviously played huge in our losses. You can make a strong argument that turnovers cost us the Houston, Philly and Arizona games. And Griffin's pick before half that led to a Viking TD when we were in great shape to add more points and increase our lead going into halftime was nothing short of a game changer that ultimately was likely the biggest factor in us losing yesterday.

 

What compounds our turnover problem is that we get very few and obviously when you turn it over and don't get any in your favor, it's the number 1 recipe for losing in the N.F.L. I know Griffin only threw one pick yesterday and it happens. But it was a bear of one that cost us badly and it again, in my opinion, was the single biggest factor in yesterday's loss. This team can win games and are close to being 7-2 or 6-3. I know, same old should've, would've, could've Redskin crap. But if we just take care of the damn ball, we can win some games and everybody will see that the sky isn't falling on this particular team.

[LetThePointsSoar]

I'm an optimist among optimists, Ed. But this season is testing me. Hope you're right, and we see some improvement down the stretch for sure. We should have had that one in the bag.

[skins island connection]

 Until there are major changes to this entire organization, from Allen to Haslett to addressing/solving o-line issues, there's nothing to get motivated from or look forward to. These are glaring problems which absolutely has to be addressed, and now; not at the end of the season, not when their contract is up, but now.

 

This team has become an injection of morphine, and I just don't feel anything anymore. And I want to so much, but its like being a kid who is 4'5" tall and wanting to ride a rollercoaster which the minimum height is 4'7". There's absolutely nothing you can do except wait, and hope the situation changes.

 

Changes:

1. Find a real GM and remove Allen the puppet from this organization period; don't give him some other job in the business, just remove him completely.

2. Fire Haslett immediately. This failed experiment has gone on too long, his tenure here is long past due.

3. Switch back to the 4-3.  The 3-4 has been an utter failure throughout, and every year its the same old excuses of why it doesn't work.

4. Go back to the white over burgundy look, even the white over white, but the yellow pants have got to go, and I personally believe they are part of the jinx.

5. Look into replacing the scouting dept.; the type of players we accumulate don't seem to do this team any good. Who is the last 'gem' we've found outside of Morris?

 

This is a good place to start, and no better time than now.

[bradboyd80]

 Until there are major changes to this entire organization, from Allen to Haslett to addressing/solving o-line issues, there's nothing to get motivated from or look forward to. These are glaring problems which absolutely has to be addressed, and now; not at the end of the season, not when their contract is up, but now.

 

This team has become an injection of morphine, and I just don't feel anything anymore. And I want to so much, but its like being a kid who is 4'5" tall and wanting to ride a rollercoaster which the minimum height is 4'7". There's absolutely nothing you can do except wait, and hope the situation changes.

 

Changes:

1. Find a real GM and remove Allen the puppet from this organization period; don't give him some other job in the business, just remove him completely.

2. Fire Haslett immediately. This failed experiment has gone on too long, his tenure here is long past due.

3. Switch back to the 4-3.  The 3-4 has been an utter failure throughout, and every year its the same old excuses of why it doesn't work.

4. Go back to the white over burgundy look, even the white over white, but the yellow pants have got to go, and I personally believe they are part of the jinx.

5. Look into replacing the scouting dept.; the type of players we accumulate don't seem to do this team any good. Who is the last 'gem' we've found outside of Morris?

 

This is a good place to start, and no better time than now.

Agree with the majority of what you're saying.  I'm not quite as down on the scouting department though (not saying it can't be improved either, though).  We have made some head-scratching draft picks, but there are a lot of good ones in there too.  Reed, KRob, Baker, Breeland, Amerson, etc.  And lets not forget Forbath and Way (UDFA, but plucked from other PS, right?).  They've been crucial for us.  

[Dissident2]

This team is not that bad, they're in every game--

 

 

With all due respect, you could plug that sentence in to just about any year out of the last 15. The team doesn't know how to win. They don't know how to build on momentum. They don't know how to impose their will. Again, Groundhog Day.

 

As for going 7-9 or hitting .500, I think we're lucky to hit 6 wins this year. Most likely it's 4-12 or 5-11. What Gruden does during this bye week will definitely affect my outlook, though. I liked seeing his utter disgust yesterday at the presser, but that's just a starting point that means absolutely nothing if you can't use that emotion to effect some real change. But realistically, how do you fire Jim Haslett one week removed from that great defensive performance against Dallas? We all know it was an anomaly, and that the main body of work of this buffoon is reflected in what happened yesterday, but I just can't imagine them dumping him at this point. Which means status quo the rest of the season, most likely.

[planter]

Skins are playing close and losing respectably but we're still LOSERS.

[deejaydana]

All I thought yesterday after we came up short once again was this: We NEVER seem to win critical, mid-season games against very average competition when it really means something. At least not in recent years. I'm trying to hold out hope, I mean we were THIS close against the Eagles, right? But look at our wins, two of the three are against complete bottom feeder teams in the Jags and Titans. I think the win over the Cowboys took alot out of our troops but c'mon man, we that's a game IF WE'RE GOOD, we win yesterday. Not sure bringing back RG3 yesterday was the right move but we win and lose as a team. At this point all I really want is to bounce the Cowboys from the paloffs in the final week. We're not a playoff or even really a wildcard team this year. Baby steps SUCK !

[roanoker]

After yesterday's performance, I'm not sure that the Bucs will be a pushover. As Pittman4two would say "The Cannons will Roar!"

[NoCalMike]

The problem is that the team performs just good/bad enough every season to fool this front office into thinking they are a player or two away from a quick turnaround.

 

Most worst-to-first teams A) come out of nowhere, it isn't expected nor planned for, and Don't last beyond the cindarella season.

 

This front office consistently approaches the offseason like the team is 1 year from being a contender. It needs to stop.

[StephenDavis]

7 wins would be huge for us. We have to find some kind of momentum going into the off season. Also, RGIII's development is huge. If he can improve throughout the rest of the season and stay healthy I'll be ecstatic. If he fails to get better it will be a rough off season. By the end of the year we need every single employee/teammate on the team to have 100% confidence in RGIII.

[88Comrade2000]

The only feeling I got, is that in 2016 we probably start all over again.