Gruden Is Killing The Post Game Interview

[zoony]

Aside from the safeties, 4 Olinemen, and maybe QB (jury's still out) where exactly are these talent deficiencies?

Are you trolling or serious? Hope you're trolling I really do

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Are you trolling or serious? Hope you're trolling I really do

 

Sadly z, for far too many, it's the later. They just refuse to admit their team is a pathetic clown show going nowhere that continues to be a league wide laughing stock. All I can presume is it's like a defence mechanism to avoid dealing with the cold, harsh reality of their sporting passion.

 

And victories like the one in Dallas only serve to feed those delusions. Don't get me wrong, it was absolutely awesome to humiliate the Cowboys on National TV in their house with all our short comings. But the subsequent 'this is a season turner/ if we get to the bye at 4-6 we can make a playoff run/ see, we DO have the talent and CAN go on a playoff run in the weak ass NFC East' et all rallying cry from many that should know FAR better made you half wish we'd lost just to spare us from them.

 

How ANYONE can be happy at being perennially humiliated season in, season out, with little to NO signs of that changing any time soon; and continue to excuse and in effect condone organisational ineptness that the Redskins take off the charts is utterly beyond me.

 

You're not being optimistic and great, loyal fans to your team.

 

You're being delusional and playing your part in enabling the team you follow to continue to serve you utter garbage and have the rest of America laugh their collective ass off at you.

 

But hey, we're just 'haters' and 'losers' for being sick to the back teeth of this embarrassment of an organisation so what would we know man?

 

Hail.

[SkinsGuy]

GHH writes:

 

How ANYONE can be happy at being perennially humiliated season in, season out, with little to NO signs of that changing any time soon; and continue to excuse and in effect condone organisational ineptness that the Redskins take off the charts is utterly beyond me.

You're not being optimistic and great, loyal fans to your team.

You're being delusional and playing your part in enabling the team you follow to continue to serve you utter garbage and have the rest of America laugh their collective ass off at you.

But hey, we're just 'haters' and 'losers' for being sick to the back teeth of this embarrassment of an organisation so what would we know man?

You really don't know how ridiculous you come off, do you?

How does some fan showing optimism on a message board "enabling" the team?

So I suppose a pessimist like you thinks that if everyone shows no optimism and we're all vile, nasty and negative, the Redskins brass and coaches will come here and say "Oh gee, the posters at ES are very unhappy. We better make some changes quick." LOL

Let me clue you in.... they don't give a darn what any pessimistic fans think when it comes to making a decision. They don't give a darn what optimistic fans think when it comes to making a decision.

Nor should they.

We, the fans, are the most clueless bunch in Redskins Nation. LOL It's just unfortunate that you pessimistic types with your constant griping, complaining, and believing and overreacting to everything the media writes about this team make it much more obvious.

I'll turn your twaddle back onto you.. if optimism is enabling, what is pessimism resulting in?

Not winning. Losing begats losing. Negativity just breeds more negativity. All the complaining and foot-stomping on this board over the years hasn't changed the fortunes of this team.

For me, I remain hopeful. Those hopes can be dashed in a game or in a season, but the hope never fades. To me, that is what it means to bleed burgundy and gold.

Or, as TK put in this post here:

http://es.redskins.com/topic/156839-to-fans-of-opposing-teams/

 

We continue to believe that each Sunday marks a new beginning and that eventually we will return to our days of greatness. You, of course, can laugh at that notion, but if you do it here, it probably won't be taken too kindly.

It certainly doesn't "enable" the team in anyway.

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

GHH writes:

You really don't know how ridiculous you come off, do you?

How does some fan showing optimism on a message board "enabling" the team?

So I suppose a pessimist like you .....

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.....

For me, I remain hopeful. Those hopes can be dashed in a game or in a season, but the hope never fades. To me, that is what it means to bleed burgundy and gold.

Or, as TK put in this post here:

http://es.redskins.com/topic/156839-to-fans-of-opposing-teams/

It certainly doesn't "enable" the team in anyway.

Except you don't just remain 'hopeful' do you? You go on to condescendingly mock anyone that (MORE than justifiably) dares criticise the team. Heck, it's interesting that you throw up a quote from TK as just this past week you slammed another mod accusing him (stop laughing at the back) of having an agenda and siding with the 'evil' Post down to the team losing against the Vikings. The fact the locker room rifts have been swirling from all angles is apparently inconsequential to it all being agenda driven lies from the WP. (I'll refrain from an eye roll to save dropping to your level.). You accuse others of going OTT in what you call a 'down year'; and then have the temerity to question why they're a fan and why they stick around when they point out it's been nearly a quarter of a darn Century of nigh on constant 'down years' and organisational ineptitude. You couldn't get more patronising to your fellow fans if you tried in that.

Your holier-than-thou, 'I back the Redskins regardless so I'm a better fan than you' inference stich has LONG gotten old. Yet I'm the ridiculous sounding one?

And yes, if you continue (general point, not directed at yourself before you fly back with more insults) to back and support the laughing stock of the NFL, then you are as good as condoning that continued ineptitude and enabling the organisation to say well the fans are still turning out at the games, buying the merchandise, and not causing a stir through the media (of which this is an modern extension in essence); then we can continue the way we've been going for over two decades now. (Feel free to insert laughing smileys at your leisure to that as is your want.).

And word to the so obviously un-wise ...... in your zeal to lambast my pessimism, you fail to take into account I've gone week by week trying to gee folk up with positives, both in the here and now and the long term; regarding this team to balance out the oh so obvious negatives. And have got repeated thanks from a multitude of posters for lifting their spirits week on week.

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good generalisation and character assassination.

You wouldn't be you if you didn't.

Hail.

[planter]

Very telling comment from Gruden about Jason Hatcher.

He was asked if Hatcher was hurt as a reason for him being off the field for long stretches in favor of Bowen.

His reply was that Hatcher was fine and it was a coaching decision to play Bowen more.

Definitely not a good sign to see the prized free agent acquisition on the bench while the defense is falling apart and getting gashed by a rookie QB...

Agree.

I tried to look up how many snaps included Hatcher because it seemed like he was on the bench a lot. Bowen did not look ready and is probably history.

[TheItalianStallion]

Are you trolling or serious? Hope you're trolling I really do

 

Pathetic response.

 

Sadly z, for far too many, it's the later. They just refuse to admit their team is a pathetic clown show going nowhere that continues to be a league wide laughing stock. All I can presume is it's like a defence mechanism to avoid dealing with the cold, harsh reality of their sporting passion.

 

And victories like the one in Dallas only serve to feed those delusions. Don't get me wrong, it was absolutely awesome to humiliate the Cowboys on National TV in their house with all our short comings. But the subsequent 'this is a season turner/ if we get to the bye at 4-6 we can make a playoff run/ see, we DO have the talent and CAN go on a playoff run in the weak ass NFC East' et all rallying cry from many that should know FAR better made you half wish we'd lost just to spare us from them.

 

How ANYONE can be happy at being perennially humiliated season in, season out, with little to NO signs of that changing any time soon; and continue to excuse and in effect condone organisational ineptness that the Redskins take off the charts is utterly beyond me.

 

You're not being optimistic and great, loyal fans to your team.

 

You're being delusional and playing your part in enabling the team you follow to continue to serve you utter garbage and have the rest of America laugh their collective [expletive] off at you.

 

But hey, we're just 'haters' and 'losers' for being sick to the back teeth of this embarrassment of an organisation so what would we know man?

 

Hail.

 

Typical GHH post. Lots of platitudes, strawmen, and sneering condescension, but no facts to back any of it up. To make it worse, you followed it up with a post where you complained about someone else demonstrating a holier-than-thou attitude.

 

Nothing wrong with being critical of the team/organization, but don't assume that people are kool-aid drinkers just because they disagree with what, specifically, is wrong with the team/organization, or the extent to which criticism is warranted. If you think the whole thing stinks from top to bottom, you're entitled to think that, but there are very legit reasons to believe that a better QB (which RG will hopefully develop into), a better DC, and a few other upgrades are all that are needed.

[Cooleyfan1993]

i dont think people should be shot down for saying "we are going to make a playoff run" even if we are 3-6. some people (myself included) want to be optimistic, thats fine. let them (and me) be optimistic. thats our choice. and its your choice to be down on the team being at 3-6. thats fine too.

[Conn]

i dont think people should be shot down for saying "we are going to make a playoff run" even if we are 3-6. some people (myself included) want to be optimistic, thats fine. let them (and me) be optimistic. thats our choice. and its your choice to be down on the team being at 3-6. thats fine too.

That's all well and good. But you aren't questioning others' fanhood for being critical, or even downright pessimistic, about the team. Others are. That's the problem. The idea that someone has to be a blind homer, or a hopelessly idealistic kool-aid drinker, or even just a glass-half-full fan to be a diehard fan.

All GHH is saying is that every year we make that signing or draft pick or scheme change or blah blah blah that gets everyone on the hype train again, for absolutely no reason until things really change. And every year people fall for it, Snyder profits off of it, and hence those fans are enabling this organization and feeding the machine of mediocrity (or worse). That's his point, and people can disagree but he's not challenging someone's fanhood with that opinion and doesn't deserve to be attacked for his own.

[Cooleyfan1993]

That's all well and good. But you aren't questioning others' fanhood for being critical, or even downright pessimistic, about the team. Others are. That's the problem. The idea that someone has to be a blind homer, or a hopelessly idealistic kool-aid drinker, or even just a glass-half-full fan to be a diehard fan.

All GHH is saying is that every year we make that signing or draft pick or scheme change or blah blah blah that gets everyone on the hype train again, for absolutely no reason until things really change. And every year people fall for it, Snyder profits off of it, and hence those fans are enabling this organization and feeding the machine of mediocrity (or worse). That's his point, and people can disagree but he's not challenging someone's fanhood with that opinion and doesn't deserve to be attacked for his own.

wasnt trying to attack him.

[Conn]

wasnt trying to attack him.

I know, I said you're fine, I was just explaining what the issues with others are. I happen to think he's right when he says that the fans who buy in year after year after year like Charlie Brown having the ball pulled out from in front of him are part of the problem---it's what allows Snyder to make more money every season even while we slink further and further away from our glory days. Its fine if people disagree with him, but attack the idea, don't get personal.

[Cooleyfan1993]

I know, I said you're fine, I was just explaining what the issues with others are. I happen to think he's right when he says that the fans who buy in year after year after year like Charlie Brown having the ball pulled out from in front of him are part of the problem---it's what allows Snyder to make more money every season even while we slink further and further away from our glory days. Its fine if people disagree with him, but attack the idea, don't get personal.

would people that only make  redskins playoff predictions/redskins superbowl predictions but not buying any redskins items or tickets (due to not having any money) be part of the problem? or would it just be people that continue to buy jerseys and redskins tickets that are part of the problem?

[Conn]

would people that only make redskins playoff predictions/redskins superbowl predictions but not buying any redskins items or tickets (due to not having any money) be part of the problem? or would it just be people that continue to buy jerseys and redskins tickets that are part of the problem?

Good question.

Because it seems dumb to say that someone who buys into the team emotionally every year could be effecting the bottom line (although let's not pretend that we don't all buy merchandise or receive it from others). But really, what I'm talking about is this swell of excitement that manages to surround this team every year no matter what, Snyder and/or the coaches literally can't do anything with this team to get fans to revolt. They just can't.

Fresh off the McNabb/Haynesworth disasters any our only QB's are Grossman and Beck? This is the year. We're such suckers. We don't demand excellence, we live with whatever we're given and crave it.

Whether you're spending money or not, I can't help but think that repeating the cycle every year is adding to this travesty. But most of us can't help it. I can't, and I'm the one agreeing with GHH! What happens is the tipping point just comes earlier every season, the point where we collectively throw up our hands and start talking about starting over.

[Cooleyfan1993]

Good question.

Because it seems dumb to say that someone who buys into the team emotionally every year could be effecting the bottom line (although let's not pretend that we don't all by merchandise or receive it from others). But really, what I'm talking about is this swell of excitement that manages to surround this team every year no matter what, Snyder and/or the coaches literally can't do anything with this team to get fans to revolt. They just can't.

Fresh off the McNabb/Haynesworth disasters any our only QB's are Grossman and Beck? This is the year. We're such suckers. We don't demand excellence, we live with whatever we're given and crave it.

Whether you're spending money or not, I can't help but think that repeating the cycle every year is adding to this travesty. But most of us can't help it. I can't, and I'm the one agreeing with GHH! What happens is the tipping point just comes earlier every season, the point where we collectively throw up our hands and start talking about starting over.

all very good points man.

[43LarryBrown]

I think we're about to really find out how good of a coach Gruden is....no reason after a bye we shouldn't just crush TB and run up the score...if it's a tight game or we lose....ugh

 

I like Jay and his honesty...think he really knows the game...I'm a bit surprised he is not more creative w play calling ala Bill Walsh to really give his QB and offense an advantage...

[hail2skins]

I think we're about to really find out how good of a coach Gruden is....no reason after a bye we shouldn't just crush TB and run up the score...if it's a tight game or we lose....ugh

I expect the Skins to beat TB, but its tough to predict that our 3-6 selves should just go out and crush the Bucs.  TB has gotten destroyed in a couple games, but I put them in a different class than Jacksonville, who mostly seem to lose by double digits.

[SkinsGuy]

Except you don't just remain 'hopeful' do you? You go on to condescendingly mock anyone that (MORE than justifiably) dares criticise the team. Heck, it's interesting that you throw up a quote from TK as just this past week you slammed another mod accusing him (stop laughing at the back) of having an agenda and siding with the 'evil' Post down to the team losing against the Vikings. The fact the locker room rifts have been swirling from all angles is apparently inconsequential to it all being agenda driven lies from the WP. (I'll refrain from an eye roll to save dropping to your level.). You accuse others of going OTT in what you call a 'down year'; and then have the temerity to question why they're a fan and why they stick around when they point out it's been nearly a quarter of a darn Century of nigh on constant 'down years' and organisational ineptitude. You couldn't get more patronising to your fellow fans if you tried in that.

You have to question pessimistic fans like you when you get things so wrong. LOL

I don't go after everyone who complains. I've had my complaints. I wouldn't have responded to your silly post at all if it weren't for this paragraph:

 

GHH wrote:

You're not being optimistic and great, loyal fans to your team.

You're being delusional and playing your part in enabling the team you follow to continue to serve you utter garbage and have the rest of America laugh their collective ass off at you.

The absurd notion that we optimistic fans are somehow part of the problem and are keeping the team down is the only reason I responded. So don't try to turn this back on me. You are the one making the ridiculous statements.

 

Your holier-than-thou, 'I back the Redskins regardless so I'm a better fan than you' inference stich has LONG gotten old. Yet I'm the ridiculous sounding one?

Your posts are ridiculous. They are arrogant and condescending. If we don't believe the team is a complete joke from top to bottom, we are blind Kool-Aid drinkers enabling the team.

 

And yes, if you continue (general point, not directed at yourself before you fly back with more insults) to back and support the laughing stock of the NFL, then you are as good as condoning that continued ineptitude and enabling the organisation to say well the fans are still turning out at the games, buying the merchandise, and not causing a stir through the media (of which this is an modern extension in essence); then we can continue the way we've been going for over two decades now. (Feel free to insert laughing smileys at your leisure to that as is your want.).

Thank you, though I don't need your permission. :) :)

You just don't realize how stupid you sound, do you? Folks buying jerseys, going to games, showing hope for a better tomorrow, are somehow enabling the team? I ask the same question you dodged... you think that Snyder and co. are making decisions based on what folks are saying on this board?

I sure hope not. I suppose you think Huly and Pez are the two biggest enabling jerks on this board, huh? Starting tailgates, doing charity work in the name of the team, going out to show support for the Redskins when they are headed out-of-town for an away game and greeting the team when they come back, win or lose?

Why can't they be more like you? LOL

 

And word to the so obviously un-wise ...... in your zeal to lambast my pessimism, you fail to take into account I've gone week by week trying to gee folk up with positives, both in the here and now and the long term; regarding this team to balance out the oh so obvious negatives. And have got repeated thanks from a multitude of posters for lifting their spirits week on week.

Careful now, lest some jerk will come along and say you're living in a fools world with all that spirit lifting. Not to mention enabling the team to take advantage of all those lifted spirits. LOL

 

But don't let the facts get in the way of a good generalisation and character assassination.

You don't need me to assassinate your character. You do that just fine by yourself.

Wait, a few more smileys :)

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Thank you Skins,

You just did all my answering for me with that cute but sadly predictable tirade that just gave more credence to my post.

No more needs adding. Appreciated.

Hail.

[BRAVEONTHEWARPATH93]

Pathetic response.

Typical GHH post. Lots of platitudes, strawmen, and sneering condescension, but no facts to back any of it up. To make it worse, you followed it up with a post where you complained about someone else demonstrating a holier-than-thou attitude.

Nothing wrong with being critical of the team/organization, but don't assume that people are kool-aid drinkers just because they disagree with what, specifically, is wrong with the team/organization, or the extent to which criticism is warranted. If you think the whole thing stinks from top to bottom, you're entitled to think that, but there are very legit reasons to believe that a better QB (which RG will hopefully develop into), a better DC, and a few other upgrades are all that are needed.

No facts to back it up? Lol

Have you missed the last 20 years??

Facts pop up every Sunday.

Living in Philly, ppl pity me for liking this team lol. Pity.

The whole thing smells like dog ass from top to bottom.

[planter]

Aside from the safeties, 4 Olinemen, and maybe QB (jury's still out) where exactly are these talent deficiencies?

You have correctly identified our major "talent deficiencies" but there are other concerns:

- Our two best D-linemen, and perhaps our only 2 legitimate starters, are both over 30.

- ILB

- RB who can pass protect (not that we should acquire one)

[hail2skins]

The whole thing smells like dog ass from top to bottom.

This is the statement of the year!!

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Good question.

Because it seems dumb to say that someone who buys into the team emotionally every year could be effecting the bottom line (although let's not pretend that we don't all buy merchandise or receive it from others). But really, what I'm talking about is this swell of excitement that manages to surround this team every year no matter what, Snyder and/or the coaches literally can't do anything with this team to get fans to revolt. They just can't.

Fresh off the McNabb/Haynesworth disasters any our only QB's are Grossman and Beck? This is the year. We're such suckers. We don't demand excellence, we live with whatever we're given and crave it.

Whether you're spending money or not, I can't help but think that repeating the cycle every year is adding to this travesty. But most of us can't help it. I can't, and I'm the one agreeing with GHH! What happens is the tipping point just comes earlier every season, the point where we collectively throw up our hands and start talking about starting over.

 

Jim Fassel.

 

The fan revolt back in 2008 went to such an extent that it seriously had Snyder so worried he'd be hit THAT HARD in the pocket that we ended up with Zorn when Fassel was all but done and was the Coach the Redskins wanted.

 

But hey, they don't take any notice of the fans opinion apparently and we should all meekly follow like sheep regardless so you can ignore this.

 

Hail.

[pjfootballer]

I guess I'm somewhere in the middle of both sides.  I see the dysfunction from top to bottom, I see the continued ineptness on the field and in the lockeroom and I see the clown show.  But, I still have some optimism in me that every year "could" be the year we turn it around.  I'm not saying "is/will" be the year to turn it around, but I still have a faint glimmer of hope. 

 

I can actually sympathize with both sides. I want so bad to be proud of my team (win or lose) and I continue to hope that we get back to the top again, but I can't completely write them out of my life.  I get so mad and sad about the things that continue to happen to this team, but I can't let go. 

 

I don't fault the fans that are still optimistic.  I don't fault the fans that are still pessimistic.  We all love the team and want Super Bowls. That's the name of the game. No one is right and no one is wrong. It's up to the team to fix this.  We as fans cannot. I will never root for another team.  I've never had a 2nd favorite team and never will.

[SkinsGuy]

Thank you Skins,

You just did all my answering for me with that cute but sadly predictable tirade that just gave more credence to my post.

No more needs adding. Appreciated.

Hail.

Typical GHH response. Don't have any counter for what I wrote so you just dismiss it as a tirade and run away.

Oh well. Like to say it's been fun, but it hasn't. LOL

[Cooleyfan1993]

No facts to back it up? Lol

Have you missed the last 20 years??

Facts pop up every Sunday.

Living in Philly, ppl pity me for liking this team lol. Pity.

The whole thing smells like dog ass from top to bottom.

you mean to tell me that you've never smelled a good dog *** before? i've smelled lots of good ones in my life