Gruden Is Killing The Post Game Interview

[drowland]

At game 8 of a head coach coming in -- in what? March? -- I am willing to cut Gruden some slack thus far.  Especially after the Shanahan debacle last year, he had to deal with a dysfunctional circus. But Haslett has ZERO excuse! At this point, he is more accountable. Now, if Jay doesn't can his buddy, he is accountable as well!  Another year, same ol' Haslett crap defense. Enough is ENOUGH!

 

The Shanahan dysfunction is no longer an excuse.  Jay kept Haslett and gave him the freedom over the defense.  That's on him.

[Conn]

The Shanahan dysfunction is no longer an excuse.  Jay kept Haslett and gave him the freedom over the defense.  That's on him.

I think you mean Allen.

[drowland]

they were 3-6 Griffin's rookie year too.  Not that I expect they'll make the playoff this year and frankly I'd rather have the higher draft pick than out in the first round again.

 

Difference is the league is on to RGIII unlike his rookie year.  Also RGIII isn't as explosive as he was his rookie year.  But really the run this team made in 2012 had a lot to do with the defense stepping up.  Maybe they can make a run, but sitting 1-5 against the NFC and the lead the Eagles have in the division I don't see it.  

[Dissident2]

What I don't get is the lack of ability to adjust to how the offense adjusts. I really thought the defense was playing hard in that first half. There were two plays they got lucky on when guys were wide open, but for the rest of that half, they were playing hard ... until the RG3 pick, then they seemed to pack it in immediately, as the script dictates. 

 

But Norv (NORV TURNER, people), adjusted, and Haslett never bothered to change ANYTHING. I recall the same thing happening against the Giants. No adjustments to what they were doing whatsoever. Just these looks of sheer disbelief on the sidelines. 

 

Why is ANYONE surprised by this? He doesn't even have a HISTORY of being a good d-coordinator to hang his hat on. WHY IS HE HERE????

[drowland]

I think you mean Allen.

 

If people want to say it was Jay's decision to start RGIII today (and not Allen and Snyder) then it was Jay's decision to keep Haslett.  

[carex]

What I don't get is the lack of ability to adjust to how the offense adjusts. I really thought the defense was playing hard in that first half. There were two plays they got lucky on when guys were wide open, but for the rest of that half, they were playing hard ... until the RG3 pick, then they seemed to pack it in immediately, as the script dictates. 

 

But Norv (NORV TURNER, people), adjusted, and Haslett never bothered to change ANYTHING. I recall the same thing happening against the Giants. No adjustments to what they were doing whatsoever. Just these looks of sheer disbelief on the sidelines. 

 

Why is ANYONE surprised by this? He doesn't even have a HISTORY of being a good d-coordinator to hang his hat on. WHY IS HE HERE????

 

 

Haslett adjusts wrong.  I mean in the first half there were still plays where Amerson and Breeland were running with the wideouts and even there to deflect passes.  In the second half it was all soft zone.

[Conn]

If people want to say it was Jay's decision to start RGIII today (and not Allen and Snyder) then it was Jay's decision to keep Haslett.

Two different things.

HC should always have say over his players, depth chart, etc.

GM should always have say over big picture things like the coaching staff, with the HC having input.

Plus, you know, Allen kept Haslett before Gruden ever interviewed.

[autoidiodyssey]

So you have to be an amazing Hall of Fame coach in order to barely make the playoffs by winning 5 or 4 in a row at the end of the year? What does that tell you?

That's an argument in favor of what we're saying, not the other way around.

 

It is all really off topic for this thread.

 

Gibbs was a HOF coach in the 80's. He clearly had lost his fastball by the second go around. I'd say he was closer to a good to very good coach in the second run than the HOF 80's coach.

 

I'm not saying that there were no major front office issues. Clearly there were. But there was also bad coaching. Spurrier never wanted to put in the work needed to be a great NFL coach and Zorn is out of football now. Have you forgotten about "Swinging Gate"? Or Spurrier basically quitting on the team and giving up the play calling?

 

Norv had plenty of talent in San Diego, he had the same issues there that he had when he was here. The guy is a bad head coach (great OC). Coaching does matter. You need good coaching AND good talent. A better coach gets the Norv lead teams in the late 90's to the playoffs more than once. We lost so many close games due to bone head things, just like the Chargers did.

 

I was just pointing out that coaching was in fact part of the problem in the recent past. Which ultimately goes back to the front office and ownership because they picked the bad coaches. Marty, Gibbs 2, and Shanny to a lesser degree = professional football coaches. Spurrier and Zorn = amateur hour.

[drowland]

Two different things.

HC should always have say over his players, depth chart, etc.

GM should always have say over big picture things like the coaching staff, with the HC having input.

Plus, you know, Allen kept Haslett before Gruden ever interviewed.

 

Are you kidding?  The HC hires his coaching staff, unless you work for Jerry Jones.  They didn't release Haslett and some other coaches from their contract but that's normal when there's a HC change.  It should be the HC's call in the end.  If Allen forced Haslett on Gruden then you can't deny the report that Allen and Snyder forced RGIII's start on Gruden.  Can't have it both ways.  

[zoony]

Also to the OP please fix your thread title. All caps is against the rules

Trust me better you do it than one of the mods. I will check back in 15

[8181]

As for Zorn, he was handed an aging roster and Vinny helmed one of the worst drafts in history (2008) for him. I don't doubt for one second he does a lot better with even decent personnel.

 

 

What's amazing is everyone hates on Joe Gibbs for trying to buy instant success, but he actually left the Redskins with its best opportunity since 2000.  He left the Redskins with a team good enough to go 6-2 under Zorn, AND a full set of draft picks.

 

And we wasted it all on Malcolm, Devin, Fred (and Colt).  Then the next season we traded our second round pick for Jason Taylor.

 

The 2008 draft could have set us up for success that we would be reaping by now.

 

Also Gibbs is a god.  He took the Redskins to the playoffs 2 out of 4 seasons with Snyder and Vinny.  That is a true testament to what an amazing guy Gibbs is, and all the interviews with former players such as Portis and Smoot confirm it.  **** Lavar.

[Glenn X]

[...] GM should always have say over big picture things like the coaching staff, with the HC having input.

Plus, you know, Allen kept Haslett before Gruden ever interviewed.

 

Since I wasn't a fly on the wall at Redskin Park when Haslett was retained, I have no idea who pushed (or pushed hardest) for it.  However, I could see Gruden being cool with it since they apparently coached together in the UFL.

 

At any rate, that's all water under the proverbial bridge at this point.

 

I just hope that Gruden sacks-up and 86es Haslett, either over the bye or at the end of the season.  Man, does that guy ever have it coming.

[Conn]

Are you kidding? The HC hires his coaching staff, unless you work for Jerry Jones. They didn't release Haslett and some other coaches from their contract but that's normal when there's a HC change. It should be the HC's call in the end. If Allen forced Haslett on Gruden then you can't deny the report that Allen and Snyder forced RGIII's start on Gruden. Can't have it both ways.

I'll have it both ways, waiter.

They didn't force Haslett on Gruden, but there's no doubt that it was Allen's call that Gruden didn't have a problem with.

[drowland]

I'll have it both ways, waiter.

They didn't force Haslett on Gruden, but there's no doubt that it was Allen's call that Gruden didn't have a problem with.

 

Then Gruden's a fool.  And it's on him for not calling for a change.  Leave your tip.

[Voice_of_Reason]

What's amazing is everyone hates on Joe Gibbs for trying to buy instant success, but he actually left the Redskins with its best opportunity since 2000.  He left the Redskins with a team good enough to go 6-2 under Zorn, AND a full set of draft picks.

 

And we wasted it all on Malcolm, Devin, Fred (and Colt).  Then the next season we traded our second round pick for Jason Taylor.

 

The 2008 draft could have set us up for success that we would be reaping by now.

 

Also Gibbs is a god.  He took the Redskins to the playoffs 2 out of 4 seasons with Snyder and Vinny.  That is a true testament to what an amazing guy Gibbs is, and all the interviews with former players such as Portis and Smoot confirm it.  **** Lavar.

You couldn't be more right.  And IF Gibbs had stayed, there's no question in my mind that regardless of the QB, 2008 would have ended in a playoff appearance, at the very least.  The roster was aging, but it was Gibbs' roster.  He knew how to coach them and how to get the most out of them.  

 

Zorn managed 8-8.  I think Gibbs is worth 3-4 wins a year.  

 

And yeah, **** Lavar. 

[JesseNeckred]

Not saying he's going to be as good, but the Patriots weren't exactly good in Belichick's first season.  He wasn't even a first time head coach.

[EasternNCbywayofNOVA]

I did like the way Gruden handled his presser.

With that said did anybody else have a HUGE problem with Desean's?

It really rubbed me the wrong way when he was asked about Robert and he responded he is "THEIR" guy.

Shouldn't he be saying "OUR" guy?

[Cooleyfan1993]

I did like the way Gruden handled his presser.

With that said did anybody else have a HUGE problem with Desean's?

It really rubbed me the wrong way when he was asked about Robert and he responded he is "THEIR" guy.

Shouldn't he be saying "OUR" guy?

yeah kinda strange. their? not our? what the heck?

[commyderm2]

Man, I don't know. I watched it. I'm just so frustrated right now with this team. With this defense, with the refs. Blowing that Int and and failing yet another challenge and the ridiculous negated call on that last drive. The play calling that has us crawling up the field on every drive. The all or nothing defense which at times is nothing or nothing. The lack if targets to Reed and Garçon, guys that make things happen. I'm tired of how our most effective plays are bombs to Djax and dump offs to Helu. I'm tired of how we get no pressure with all of this talent on the front 7.

This guy can say all he wants about how he is disgusted, but Haslett has been doing this his entire career. This is no secret that this is how his defense operates. RG3 blew that play at the end of the game, but at 3rd and a mile and 4th and 6 against the #2 defense in the league... I can't put this game on him. I'm sorry. It is way past the point where Haslett is done here. I'd be shocked of we see this guy coaching linebackers let alone a defense in the NFL ever again.

[zCommander]

Then Gruden's a fool.  And it's on him for not calling for a change.  Leave your tip.

 

I will play the devils advocate here: Allen tells Gruden I got you covered on the D coach. Gruden just bites his tongue. Thinks: I just got a head coaching job and I will play with their rules for now....Tells himself in the end you will see how has been Hazbeen really is.

 

I would be really surprised if Hazbeen is not shown the door after this season.

[KingGibbs]

I feel bad for Griffin. He's not going to succeed here. He's under a microscope with every move he makes and every word he says. In myopinion? Being black is a big reason why.

[redskins55]

THE WASHINGTON MEDIA IS COMPLETELY OUT OF HAND!!  

 

 

Not only was Gruden fuming but Griffin was firing back at them today too!  Gruden went so far as to say that he didnt know why the Washington media tries so hard to bring down the team and bring down Robert.

 

SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THE MEDIA. They are character assassinating Griffin and our team.

 

 

If I were Griffin I'd act just like Beast Mode and skip media interviews or just say one word. 

[EvilMonkeyBoy]

I feel bad for Griffin. He's not going to succeed here. He's under a microscope with every move he makes and every word he says. In myopinion? Being black is a big reason why.

Uh-oh, you acknowledged race could potentially be issue at the one position in football where it has ALWAYS been an issue. Get ready to be called a moron by someone insisting they aren't racist when you never accused them personally of it.

[ThomasRoane]

Not to be a jerk, but who cares if he's mad? Every coach that continually gets embarrassed gets mad. 

 

What's he going to do about it? Keep grinding out hard fought L's more than likely. 

 

Maybe not a jerk but certainly overreacting and not paying attention to what's been going on.  Not only does he get angry but he benches people.  Which is something we haven't seen in DC in a long time.  He could've made excuses about his starting QB just getting back.  Or how the NFL has been screwing this team on the schedule.  For 2nd time in 3 years they had the Redskins going on the road after a Monday night game.  Which they say they try to avoid.  (Dallass got to be at home).  Or that the NFL scheduled the Redskins to play a division rival on a short week after playing another division rival. (Philly - Giants) Or that the NFL scheduled the team to play the defending Super Bowl champs after they (Seattle) had a bye week right after the 2 division games.  But I haven't heard him make excuses so why don't you treat this coach like a different coach from what you've seen.  Because he is...

[drowland]

I will play the devils advocate here: Allen tells Gruden I got you covered on the D coach. Gruden just bites his tongue. Thinks: I just got a head coaching job and I will play with their rules for now....Tells himself in the end you will see how has been Hazbeen really is.

 

I would be really surprised if Hazbeen is not shown the door after this season.

 

Do you seriously think Gruden wouldn't have landed the job if he hadn't agreed to keep Haslett?  We're not talking about Dick LeBeau here or Monte Kiffin in Tampa.  This was a bad defense with a DC who has a history of under preforming.  Gruden not making the call for a change is on him.