inmate running the asylum Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 O.k. so he used marijuana and Ecstasy and got caught. No doubt it was dumb considering what it eventually cost him in trouble, money, lawyers, salary, etc., but there is no indication that he is a hard drug user or cocaine dealer. Immature definitely. But hopefully he has learned from this experience. And he has been involved with prostitutes. The so-called alleged rape victim seemed to be a prostitute to me, who was probably trying to set him up for a civil monetary lawsuit -- not that prostitutes don't have rights too -- but "nice women" usually don't meet with three men in a hotel room. In that I didn't read about any of the charges including kidnapping or abduction, I have to assume she went voluntarily, which probably explains why the D.A. discounted her story and dropped all the charges. But if you are going to condemn the 27 year old single man for associating with prostitutes, you probably have to condemn over half the young men in America, especially those who served in the armed forces. In that I don't believe in "sin," I dont consider associating with prostitutes by itself such a big deal. So what else is on his record, besides a D.U.I. charge? Well Bruce Smith has a few of those that were dropped. I'm not defending Russell, who has obviously used poor judgment and made mistakes, but unless I see more in his record then I have so far, I don't think he is the 2nd coming of Al Capone. No, Darrell Russell hasn't been a choir boy, but he deserves another chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great28 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 I don't think he is that bad of a person. I think he just got too much too fast. I really don't think that he would jeopardize the rest of his career, now that he's been given another chance. To be honest, I think we got him for a steal. Even if he doesn't light the defense on fire, I'll still believe he was a good acquisition, as long as he stays out of trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 I agree with Spurrier "He's never been convicted of anything, except having ecstasy in his system," Spurrier said. "I feel like after meeting him, getting to know him a little bit, he's worthy of a second chance to get his life straightened out. He's on a one-year deal, not a whole bunch of money involved. We'll see if he can play hard and get back on course." it sounds like he was sheltered momma's boy that got out on his own for the first time in Oakland, and with new found freedom, tons of money, & new found so called friends, went wild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Doesn't he still live with his momma? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 he is now, after he got suspended Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Inmate, If you had one, would you want him dating your daughter?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevieInferior Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 I saw his press conference on the news last night...if all this is true, all I can say is looks are deceiving....he looked and talked like a genunine nice guy.....so i guess that we should never judge a book by the cover.....BTW, although I don't much care for the drug issues, the rape is interesting to me....the DA charges him with 25 counts of rape charges, however the DA does not take him to court despite having the "crime" on tape.....now I am not a lawyer, but I would think a tape of a crime would be a DAs dream....sounds to me like they jumped the gun and started their witch hunt too early....BTW, isn't it true that the girl did not have any traces of GHB in her blood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 According to the Post, the drug is flushed from the system in about 8 hrs, and the girl got tested 25 hrs afterwards. Brian Mitchell was facing sexual assault charges last year until somebody came forward and stated the woman had confided that she was gonna set him up to win $$$. Some stripper accused scumbag Michael Irvin of rape, but was later shown to be a compulsive liar. And let's not even get started on Ray Lewis.... And if I had a duaghter, I wouldn't want her associating with any athletes, actors, or rock stars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The question is, if he signed with another team, would you be trying so hard to rationalize liking him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Well the DC area has plenty of sin aka temptation also the difference being that there are plenty of willing and freaky females out there Still he is probably only gonna be here for the season for his audition before moving to tampon bay to replace sapp and reunite with chucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 How good will he perform on the field? he is not in football shape, he has been out of the league for a year and a half. We just gonna pull him off the street suit him up and expect him to play an entire game on Sunday?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 if his life is straighten out then we are screwed again, by only signing him to 1 year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 inmate this is not necessarily at you, but this is funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot....I remember there were a whole group of skins fans here refering to cowboys as drug this and drug that...now to hear that's not really a big deal for russell to be on the redskins and that most are ok with it and etc. etc.....its just ironic.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posse81 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Originally posted by shawn inmate this is not necessarily at you, but this is funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot....I remember there were a whole group of skins fans here refering to cowboys as drug this and drug that...now to hear that's not really a big deal for russell to be on the redskins and that most are ok with it and etc. etc.....its just ironic.... I think the point was that half of your roster was involved in that stuff--that was a TEAM issue for you guys. For us, it's just one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankbones Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Originally posted by Pete Inmate, If you had one, would you want him dating your daughter?? What does that have to do with playing football? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The so-called alleged rape victim seemed to be a prostitute to me, who was probably trying to set him up for a civil monetary lawsuit -- not that prostitutes don't have rights too -- but "nice women" usually don't meet with three men in a hotel room. Based on the reports, she was unconcious and they started having sex with her, while Russell was apparently behind the video camera. Not sure how you set someone up for a lawsuit while you're unconcious.... And if indeed she was snowed, then it seems to me its still rape since she didnt have a chance to consent (though there may be another term for it since Im not a lawyer), but the premise is still the same. It seems we're bending over backwards to justify this signing. If the Cowhides had signed him, we'd be all over them for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yonisredskins Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 IMHO Russell did not get hired by the skins to run their front office or charity organization. He's hired to play a brutal game called football. He's made some bad choices in life and as far as I know, he's been cleared by the governing body called the NFL to play. Give the guy a break and let him play. (This is not the first time or last that an NFL player has had off the field problems) ME to Russell "now go and drive QC to the ground" !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Rome is saying he was a con man a liar to himself and his teammates, says he is a party guy not a guy who studys the game, underachiever, etc. He did say its not a cap hit to worry about just the PR He is wondering if he will reward snyder and s double for bringing him in with effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted October 30, 2003 Author Share Posted October 30, 2003 Pete, In answer to your question..... no, I wouldn't want DR dating my daughter if I had one. I would like to think that with all the other men available, she could do better. But then again I wouldnt have wanted her dating John Riggins either, at least when he was sporting a mohawk. :laugh: But that does not mean that DR is a criminal. If it comes out that he is a cocaine dealer or something like that, then I would be of a different opinion. But so far it looks like he has only hurt himself. DR has been hired to do a job (play football), and based on the evidence so far, he deserves another chance to see if he can still do that job. Storm, If the woman was unconscious (and we don't know that for a fact), she wasn't unconscious when she went with these guys and walked through the front door of their house. Otherwise, the D.A. could still have charged these men with kidnapping or abduction and these charges would have not been dropped. I work as a criminal investigator and what is interesting here is that nothing has come out about the woman's background, so we can only speculate. But I suspect that she is not your nice "girl next door," but has a questionable background. And because she probably lacks credibility because of her background, I suspect this is the reason the D.A. did not want to pursue the case and put her in front of a jury, besides a lack of evidence. Prostitutes have rights too and don't deserve to be raped, but on the other hand they are going to have difficulty convincing a jury of the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 The Washington Post today described her as a commercial property manager who was an acquaintence of Russell. She met up with Russell at a SF bar. Russell was accompanied by the two guys- each a convicted felon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted October 30, 2003 Author Share Posted October 30, 2003 So what? Frank Sinatra used to hang out with Mafia guys. Not wise, but it didn't mean Sinatra was a criminal himself. It must be a pretty damn weak case if the D.A. doesn't believe they can get even 1 of 25 charges to stick, if not against DR, then against two ex-felons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Originally posted by Dan T. The Washington Post today described her as a commercial property manager who was an acquaintence of Russell. She met up with Russell at a SF bar. Russell was accompanied by the two guys- each a convicted felon. Yeah guys, as much as I'm fine with the signing, I don't think Russell will be in any United Way ads this season. Trying to defend his previous behavior is a major stretch. Giving him a fair shake now? Well, he might not deserve one...but it's at least arguable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Fakeman Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Everyone deserves a second chance....Everyone...no matter the issue (unless its murder)....I think he realizes his mistakes...his mother has been a strong influence on him...the Skins community should support him, but if he crosses that line one more time....P E A C E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 No. Everyone does not deserve a second chance. Rapists, murderers...I'm perfectly comfortable judging these people and condemning them to pay for their crime for the rest of their lives. Russell was lucky (at least it sounds that way) and was not convicted--so he gets to play football again. I don't think he "deserves" to get a second chance--but he got one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted October 30, 2003 Share Posted October 30, 2003 Originally posted by inmate running the asylum So what? Frank Sinatra used to hang out with Mafia guys. Not wise, but it didn't mean Sinatra was a criminal himself. It must be a pretty damn weak case if the D.A. doesn't believe they can get even 1 of 25 charges to stick, if not against DR, then against two ex-felons. Uh, so we shouldn't make any assumptions about Russell because he might be the next Sinatra, but we should have no problems besmirching this woman's reputation simply because the DA couldn't get a conviction? That makes sense. Look, the guy is most likely a head-case. There is no point trying to prove otherwise. But since he's a Redskins let's just hope he keeps his nose clean and plays well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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