Who should the Redskins cut this offseason?

[ILikeBilly]

I was pleasantly surprised that after reading through the first several replies and scanning a few more, I did not see a single reply saying that Reed Doughty should be cut. 

 

I do think he will not make the team next year, it is easy to see that for his skill set, he is a baller.  He always plays hard and brings his A-game. 

 

Reed - good luck sticking with the team.  If you are not back, please know that we really do appreciate you and your consistent level of play. 

[aqq]

I think Kai Forbath has to go. We need to improve kickoffs plus this yr he was not that accurate.

 

I would keep Montgomery and Polumbus. These guys are good depth players. Polumbus though has to be replaced in the starting lineup hopefully with a draft pick in the 2nd rd.

[bowhunter]

 

 

And Kai is fine.  I'll sacrifice kickoffs into the endzone for a guy that makes all his FGs if i can't have both.  Kai's the best kicker we've had in a long time, I wouldn't want to jettison him for kickoffs.  We just need better kick coverage units.   

Exactly. Since we'll need to jettison Rocca anyway, we should be able to pick up a P/KO combo specialist and let Kai continue to do his thing.

 

For example. Here is the draft write-up for Miami punter Patrick O'Donnell, a 7th round projection:

 

"Though he isn't likely to generate as much buzz outside of the program as some of UC's flashier athletes, O'Donnell makes the cut because, frankly, he's among the more intriguing punter prospects in the entire country.

Perhaps most intriguing about O'Donnell is the fact that he not only beat the Big East competition by two full yards a year ago in punt average (43.8), he also served as the team's kickoff specialist."

[clarkskin]

Cant believe nobody has said Josh Morgan.

[skins island connection]

Cant believe nobody has said Josh Morgan.

 

 I was just about to throw his name into the mix.

 dude was an absolute bust. If he's not the primary or 2nd read receiver, he puts a poor effort into his route running, couldn't catch a yeast infection if he was the Pilsbury Dough Boy making love to Betty Crocker with a Bisquik condom.

 

 Yea, that bad...

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Question fellas.... if Shanny gets fired, will it happen on Monday or most likely to happen a few weeks after the season has passed?

 

Hopefully by the time the plane touches back down from Newark. 

 

Hail. 

[Voice_of_Reason]

I was pleasantly surprised that after reading through the first several replies and scanning a few more, I did not see a single reply saying that Reed Doughty should be cut. 

 

I do think he will not make the team next year, it is easy to see that for his skill set, he is a baller.  He always plays hard and brings his A-game. 

 

Reed - good luck sticking with the team.  If you are not back, please know that we really do appreciate you and your consistent level of play. 

Reed needs to not be on the team next year.  No because he is bad, awful, or anything like that.

 

But because if he's on the team, even as a backup, it's an indication that they haven't improved the secondary at all.  They need to find a way to make him expendable on the defensive side of the ball.  You might keep him around for ST, though everybody playing on ST this year needs a hard look, because nobody has distinguished themselves.

[Voice_of_Reason]

 I was just about to throw his name into the mix.

 dude was an absolute bust. If he's not the primary or 2nd read receiver, he puts a poor effort into his route running, couldn't catch a yeast infection if he was the Pilsbury Dough Boy making love to Betty Crocker with a Bisquik condom.

 

 Yea, that bad...

Yeah, Morgan needs to go, but isn't he on a 2 year deal anyway?  They won't resign him.

 

I can't remember what Moss' contract was. But I wouldn't dump him just to dump him.  He's very effective in the slot in limited reps.  Again, like Reed, it would be best if they could cut him because they have a better option.

 

Honestly, on offense, from a personnel perspective, they aren't that far away. Don't forget the entire offense came back, with the addition of Helu and Jordan Reed.  And they got worse.  And the reason is the QB play.  Some other guys regressed a little, but the QB play all year has been poor.  Last year it was spectacular.  

 

My theory is that the talent on Offense is average.  With good QB play, it looks much better, and with bad QB play, it looks much worse.

 

I do think that Garcon, Jordan Reed, and Morris are 3 very good skill position guys you can build around, DY is one of the best FBs in the NFL, and TW is a LT that can anchor the line.  If Griffin returns to form, which I think he will, then you've got some pieces already in place on offense.  

 

You need another WR. Who knows if Hank is going to come back, Morgan will be gone.  Robinson hasn't developed into a consistent receiver.  I really like the idea of giving Nick Williams a shot as the slot/shifty guy. 

 

But I also think that going in with Garcon, Nick Williams and a recovering Hank as your options is a mistake.  So, they have to get somebody else on board to compliment Garcon.

 

Defense is a wasteland. Cooley likes Baker at NT, and move Cofield to DE.  (A number of people have been saying that for a while.) If you do that, then you really need to get something from the other DE spot, and none of the LBs and DBs really can lay a claim to anything, except Amerson.  He's had a pretty good rookie year, all things considered. 

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

.....

Defense is a wasteland. Cooley likes Baker at NT, and move Chester to DE.  (A number of people have been saying that for a while.).....

 

*Cofield to end, but still waves regardless. 

 

Hail. 

[mastdark81]

Rex Grossman, Evan Royster, Aldrick Robinson, Chris Chester, Sav Rocca, Stephen Bowen, Adam Carriker, Kedric Golston, Reed Doughty,

[Voice_of_Reason]

*Cofield to end, but still waves regardless. 

 

Hail. 

Just because I get my RG and NT mixed up doesn't say anything about my mental acuity. 

[Gibbs Hog Heaven]

Just because I get my RG and NT mixed up doesn't say anything about my mental acuity. 

 

OOOOOKAY. Not entirely sure where that came from, but I'm still gona' wave regardless as one that's been calling for Baker, and Nield before him, at nose for the last two seasons. 

 

Hail. 

[Voice_of_Reason]

OOOOOKAY. Not entirely sure where that came from, but I'm still gona' wave regardless as one that's been calling for Baker, and Nield before him, at nose for the last two seasons. 

 

Hail. 

I was being sarcastic and poking fun at myself.  

 

In my defense, both are large men.  And I've been mixing up their names since they got here.

 

I also can't keep Bowen and Carricker straight to save my life.  

[Riggo-toni]

I'm guessing Morgan agrees to a big pay cut rather than getting cut. Otherwise, he's the most obvious candidate in terms of dollar to performance value. I think Fred Davis goes to the Pats, and gets cut 6 games into the season. I think Orakpo signs with whatever team Gregg Williams is the DC for, and gets (re)converted to a 4-3 DE. Polumbus and Monty hang on as backups. Other than Cofield, I could see anybody on the DL getting the axe. Josh Wilson, Evan Royster, Jamison (again).

[SkinsTillIDie]

It's hard to answer the question when we don't know what a new regime will try to accomplish. We aren't like the Chiefs with 6 pro bowlers already on defense. We aren't like the Eagles with a lot of speed already on Offense. We are starting from Zero again.

 

Chiefs had 5 pro bowlers and an alternate. 1 of them was a punter. 1 on offense, 4 on defense. Jamaal Charles, Eric Berry, Derrick Johnson, Tamba Hali, Dustin Colquitt (P), and Justin Houston.

 

We have RGIII, Trent Williams, Brian Orakpo (if we keep him), and Ryan Kerrigan who have all recently made probowls. Alfred Morris, I think we'd agree, is a pro-bowl caliber player. Pierre Garcon is close to that level of production. Jordan Reed is in that Vernon Davis/Antonio Gates/Tony Gonzalez tier of yards-per-game for tight ends this year, his rookie season.

 

re: the Eagles - both teams have #1 talent at LT, WR, and RB. They have more speed, we have more strength/size at those positions. But they have stronger depth on the line and at receiver.

 

Our issue isn't top-level talent but depth. We need more good players rather than average/below-average starters. We aren't starting from zero at all.

[Shiv]

I don't know but I have a short list of the players I want to remain on this team, the rest of the roster is up for grabs imo.

 

RG3

Trent Williams

Pierre Garçon

Alfred Morris

Jordan Reed

Perry Riley

Brian Orakpo

Ryan Kerrigan

DeAngelo Hall

David Amerson

Kai Forbath

[Epochalypse]

Until we know who the coach is and what system, we don't have any of the information necessary to make any sort of rational decision about the roster on.

 

Perfect thread for ES.

[SkinsTillIDie]

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To answer the question of the thread:

 

Moss, Morgan, Lichensteiger, Chester, Grossman, Fred Davis all need to go on offense.

Wilson, Hall, Meriwether, Fletcher, Golston, Carriker, Barnett need to go on defense. Bowen I'm conflicted about, should probably cut and run now, though he was one of our best defensive players just a year ago.

 

Replenish with draft picks and free agents in the 25-27 age range. Hopefully some of our young players (of LeRiberus, Amerson, Robinson, Thomas, Gettis, Compton, Robinson, Hankerson, Jenkins, Rambo) prove to be good starters rather than backup depth.

 

With so many holes and without the full complement of draft picks, I'd understand if we have to bring back a Hall or a Meriwether on another one-year stopgap deal. Neither are the future, though I know Hall's big plays this year have seduced many a fan back into his corner

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

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To answer the question of the thread:

 

Moss, Morgan, Lichensteiger, Chester, Grossman, Fred Davis all need to go on offense.

Wilson, Hall, Meriwether, Fletcher, Golston, Carriker, Barnett need to go on defense. Bowen I'm conflicted about, should probably cut and run now, though he was one of our best defensive players just a year ago.

 

 

Hall?  He's our best DB and a bargain at that.  If he were our worst DB and expensive, I'd agree with you.

[NIKKI8]

Hall?  He's our best DB and a bargain at that.  If he were our worst DB and expensive, I'd agree with you.

Yeah really. He has been the best player on this lousy defense all year and I give him credit for still playing all out even though it was obvious the team was going nowhere. I hope it doesn't cost a lot but I would definitly want Hall back next year.

[TD_washingtonredskins]

What about Cofield, Bowen?

I would be fine if they came back but don't believe it's essential.

[RED06]

I think Josh Wilson, Reed Doughty, Rocca, Carriker, Josh Morgan, the WHOLE line except for Trent Williams, Royster, Santana Moss, Bowen, Gholston (sp), Keelan Williams (ILB) too injury prone, and some more I can't think of right now.

 

WE SHOULD KEEP: Fred Davis............. I think we should be smart with Orakpo though and try and keep him if we can. Get some bigger and faster WR that can beat the press in the draft or free agency. A new bigger, stronger and fast line and a few more pieces on defense. IMPACT PLAYERS in skilled positions like WR and LB's.

[VABlitz]

The whole Special Team Squad and their Coaches.  Josh Wilson.  Santana and London, it's been great, but it's time to retire.  

[paloosa]

There isn't anyone safe here except maybe Trent Williams, Garcon, Morris, RGIII, Cousins, Baker, Kerrigan, Reed, Davis, Cofield, Rambo, Amerson, and maybe Robinson. Everyone else haven't done enough to keep them around or would even be on a roster anywhere else. If you want to win you need to get rid of the guys that keep making the boneheaded mistakes. That is the lack of discipline on the team. You can't expect to win if a guy hits someone late or gets baited into a fight only to hurt your team. There are so many things this team doesn't get right than right. If Haslett is retained or is on the staff next year expect more of the same. Gut the whole staff and build it right.

[NickyJ]

Davis, Baker, Rambo, and Robinson are in no way safe. Rambo, possibly since he's young and we're thin at safety, but the rest are doubtful. Davis has doubtful work ethics, Baker is still relatively obscure and could easily fall through the cracks, and Robinson is a 4th round pick who hasn't played a down since Thanksgiving of last year. I don't expect a new coach to be very interested in him when most of his two year career has been spent on IR. At this point, Robinson is probably just depth quality, since he hasn't played for so long. Coach would probably want his own depth players, so Robinson would get bumped off.