HTTR24-7.com; The Real Difference Between Kirk Cousins and Robert Griffin IIII

[Skinsinparadise]

This is the best article about Griffin's play that I've read thus far, I agree almost 100% with everything in it. This article might be thread worthy in its own right.

 

And the end of the article pains me a great deal:

It is truely sad that Mike Shanahan has chosen to shut Griffin down and deny him what he needs most: reps.

 

 

 

Good article.  Greg Cosell on the radio today who studied Cousin's games both in the NFL and college seems to think that Cousins future is to be a "solid" qb, nothing special.  His biggest issue with him is his arm strength, he thinks its nothing special.  Conversely, he has said at other times, RG3's arm strength is special.  Cosell gives arm strength as a key attribute in his book when it comes to elite QBs.  He loves for examples Flacco's arm strength.  He attributes arm strength not so much about the deep ball, but the ability to throw hard into tight windows and to be able to zing it even when the QB can't step into the throw becuase he doesn't have a clean pocket, etc.

[Gigantor]

So the bottom line is:

 

1) RGIII is currently not able to perform and needs to be "coached up".

2) Cousins for whatever reason is able to perform and needs minor adjustments.

 

It's a no brainer, use the guy that is ready. Unless the reason for keeping the guy who can't perform is not based in results.

[Skinsinparadise]

So the bottom line is:

 

1) RGIII is currently not able to perform and needs to be "coached up".

2) Cousins for whatever reason is able to perform and needs minor adjustments.

 

It's a no brainer, use the guy that is ready. Unless the reason for keeping the guy who can't perform is not based in results.

 

Bottom line IMO is:

 

1.  Few dispute that RG3 by a mile is the more talented QB

2.  Few dispute that coming off a knee surgery on the plant foot -- it can effect your foot work and hence accuracy as both Theismann and Jaws pointed out.

3.  Multiple people have said it takes a year for the knee to fully feel right

4.  You let the knee fully heel and you play in 2014 the more talented QB, the same guy who carried the team on his back to win a division, not that long ago 

5.  You get him a head coach who actually put together and coach a well rounded team, ala Seattle as opposed to one who completely relies on the QB and RB to offset the rest of the teams weaknesses

[moondog]

So basically complete speculation about Kyle and lobbing most of the blame (I realize you say Robert deserves some blame) his way? Please. Basically you're saying Robert isn't smart enough to realize a defense can win on routes and that he has to actually adjust and not just stare one guy down? And that Kirk has an advantage because of an offense he ran in college, despite the fact that he's had two starts and some plays at the end of 3 games in his career compared to Rob who has almost two full seasons under his belt of starting and all the practice reps (minus this offseason). 

 

And if you're going to argue that this offseason really was the difference between Robert and Kirk in making that progression, you're basically admitting Robert could/should become far better at QB if Kyle stuck around this offseason. 

 

Robert is way too smart to not understand he can't just look at one receiver. He's just not very good at doing it right now and his mechanics are terrible. This is about as poor an excuse as I've seen for RGIII - if he can't figure out defenses are going to take things away and he needs to know what his other options are and not just narrow them down to one guy presnap - we're in a lot more trouble than anyone on here thinks man. There is plenty of blame to go around but the difference in ability to execute plays between our two QB's does not fall on the shoulders of the coaches or any type of playcalling. Robert right now is simply a playmaker in our offense - that's about it. Kirk is a QB.

[Skinsinparadise]

Cosell's report on Cousins predraft

 

http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/18/cosell-talks-the-other-quarterbacks-of-2012-part-1/

 

Kirk Cousins: At Michigan State, Cousins played in an offense that featured NFL route combinations and progression reads. He operated effectively both under center and in the shotgun. At his best, Cousins was a timing and anticipation passer who was quick and decisive with his reads. He was a plant-and-throw quarterback, most effective when he could hit his back foot and deliver the ball on time, in rhythm. He was efficient in the play-action pass game, with the often overlooked  ability to get his head around quickly after he turned his back to the defense. As a corollary, he executed well the boot-action game, showing accuracy on the move.

 

Extensive tape study also illustrated some significant concerns. Immediately evident was his inability to drive the ball at the intermediate and deeper levels. He was a touch passer without much snap to his throws. That must be accompanied by outstanding decision making and precise ball location. Cousins was not as consistent as he needs to be in both areas given his arm-strength limitations. He also needed functional space in the pocket to be efficient. He had a tendency to drift backward in response to pressure. Pocket movement is certainly an attribute he must work on in his transition to the NFL. His struggles in a “muddied” pocket, in the eye of the storm, must be cleaned up for him to become a quality starter.

For Cousins to be successful, he must be managed and manipulated by the schematics of the passing game and the play calling. At this point, and that’s the critical caveat, he’s primarily a pocket passer with neither great size nor the overall skills of a pocket passer. The specific concepts of the pass game and how he’s coached will be the determining factors in his development.

[Sekhmet187]

So basically complete speculation about Kyle and lobbing most of the blame (I realize you say Robert deserves some blame) his way? Please. Basically you're saying Robert isn't smart enough to realize a defense can win on routes and that he has to actually adjust and not just stare one guy down? And that Kirk has an advantage because of an offense he ran in college, despite the fact that he's had two starts and some plays at the end of 3 games in his career compared to Rob who has almost two full seasons under his belt of starting and all the practice reps (minus this offseason). 

 

And if you're going to argue that this offseason really was the difference between Robert and Kirk in making that progression, you're basically admitting Robert could/should become far better at QB if Kyle stuck around this offseason. 

 

Robert is way too smart to not understand he can't just look at one receiver. He's just not very good at doing it right now and his mechanics are terrible. This is about as poor an excuse as I've seen for RGIII - if he can't figure out defenses are going to take things away and he needs to know what his other options are and not just narrow them down to one guy presnap - we're in a lot more trouble than anyone on here thinks man. There is plenty of blame to go around but the difference in ability to execute plays between our two QB's does not fall on the shoulders of the coaches or any type of playcalling. Robert right now is simply a playmaker in our offense - that's about it. Kirk is a QB.

 

So Robert isn't a QB, hes just a playmaker? Good God Redskin fans are so damn fickle its sad. He goes from being like Peyton Manning in most people's eyes one year to being more like Tebow in the next? Even when he was playing awful, there were still plenty of starting QBs playing just as bad.

 

Eli Manning is a good QB. He won two SBs. he has played probably two or three times worse than RGIII has this season. Does that mean Eli is done and will never be good the rest of his career? If you don't know the answer, than you don't know the answer about RGIII. Hence why all the hate is baffling to me. Its one thing to say he made a bunch of mistakes and needs to correct them, but to basically say hes not even a QB? Thats pathetic.