DMVRG3 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 During the halftime show of Chargers @ Broncos Rapoport said he had spoken to 5 or 6 GM's and the most we could get for Cousins is a 2nd round pick. That's surprising to me because I thought his value was a 4th or 3rd at best. If that's the case, and Cousins performs well, he can garner a first round pick from several teams who are starving for a QB. It's not inconceivable. Then wouldn't that draft class turn out to be epic? http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000297289/article/washington-redskins-qb-rgiii-extremely-angery 3 minute mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclops Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 It wasnt Shefty. It was Ian Rappaport who is usally pretty good on his reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoby6644 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 That was actually Rapoport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 During the halftime show of Chargers @ Broncos I am pretty sure I heard Schefter say he had spoken to 5 or 6 GM's and the most we could get for Cousins is a 2nd round pick. That's surprising to me because I thought his value was a 4th or 3rd at best. If that's the case, and Cousins performs well, he can garner a first round pick from several teams who are starving for a QB. It's not inconceivable. Then wouldn't that draft class turn out to be epic? This draft class is supposed to be a very good one so I wouldn't count on a 1st. Heck, I'd be surprised if we got a 2nd. I'd be satisfied with a 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVRG3 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 My mistake, I was barely glancing at the TV and noticed it and he resembled Schefter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I think the right team could fetch us a pick and a player. But who knows, these last 3 games might do a lot to swing that. You can't underestimate the panic button a lot of GMs will push if they think they can go out and get a franchise QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVRG3 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 This draft class is supposed to be a very good one so I wouldn't count on a 1st. Heck, I'd be surprised if we got a 2nd. I'd be satisfied with a 3rd. Isn't the draft class hindered because a few QB's including the Oregon one ar deciding to stay for their final year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesMadisonSkins Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I said this in another thread. What if Texans want Cousins and would rather use draft + Cousins to fix their holes without rebuilding. Teams currently picking 4, 5, 6, 7 all need Qbs badly and could trade up to #1. Texans, theoretically, could trade 1 to Cleveland for #7 and #24 and #39 (all current picks based on standings). Then they could turn around and trade #24 to Washington for Cousins and still have #7, #33 and #39 to revamp and get back on top ... plus their QB ... Or they could go Bridgewater #1. Not sure how that would work, if we could trade Cousins to them for a conditional pick and have it be their 33 and maybe 65 ... and have that change to 24 if the trade is made on draft day, etc. But it could be an option. Or we could trade Cousins to them for 2nd and 3rd, then allow them to turn around and take trade offers for #1 and basically move back a few spots and recoup those picks (trading #1 for #5, 2nd, 3rd and 2015 2nd) for example. Then they're essentially trading back from 1 to 5 for Kirk. Or if Houston is set on Bridgewater at #1 and Hundley doesn't come out ... Vikings (4), Jags (5), Raiders (6), and Browns (7, 24) could be interested in trading for Cousins and giving us their 2nd ... or in teh Browns case, maybe even their 24th in the 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm not sure how many people would actually give up a first. I'd love it but I'm not sure they would. A more likely increase would probably be a second lower pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVRG3 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'm not sure how many people would actually give up a first. I'd love it but I'm not sure they would. A more likely increase would probably be a second lower pick I think it's possible. Who knows how Cousins will play. He might play terribly. But if he plays well, and I was a GM, I'd take a proven commodity over some unproven rookie (unless it was a QB the caliber of RG3 and Luck). Would you rather draft a guy like Weedon in the first? How about Ponder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I think it's possible. Who knows how Cousins will play. He might play terribly. But if he plays well, and I was a GM, I'd take a proven commodity over some unproven rookie (unless it was a QB the caliber of RG3 and Luck). Would you rather draft a guy like Weedon in the first? How about Ponder? some of the failed draft picks in recent years, some of them spectacular failures, may make teams decide to do that. From what I've seen there's going to be a pretty wide range of talent in the QB;s in the draft. Some undersized, some with injury histories, things like that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prototype Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I feel like this years QB class is not as good as 2012, but a lot better than last year. I'd be more than happy for a 2nd round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins3000 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Not quite sure the Skins have leverage because I think a lot of G.M.'s know the Skins have to make a move on Cousins one way or another after this debacle with RG3. Question why is it I cannot quote a post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVRG3 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 If Cousins can garner a 1st round pick, then the question becomes do we even trade him? I bet there aren't many GM's who would give up a 1st round pick even for RG3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If Cousins can garner a 1st round pick, then the question becomes do we even trade him? I bet there aren't many GM's who would give up a 1st round pick even for RG3. You would lose that bet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If Cousins can garner a 1st round pick, then the question becomes do we even trade him? I bet there aren't many GM's who would give up a 1st round pick even for RG3. Why in the world would we trade Cousins? He is under contract. Look, I see the potential in RGIII and would love to see him return to his 2012 form next year. I think he has a great chance to do that. But there are zero guarantees. But if Cousins does well, why would you trade him when you are still not sure what you have in RGIII? Let's be realistic, QBs go down all the time. I would much rather have Cousins come off the bench then Grossman who should be finally off this roster. A 1st rd draft pick IMO is not worth giving up our best back up plan if RGIII either goes down again or does not make the huge step forward he needs to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVRG3 Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 You know something I haven't heard many people say? How Kirk Cousins got all of the reps in the offseason. That means he has had two straight offseasons 8 preseason games, and 1 NFL start to improve his game. He is probably very prepared, maybe more prepared than RG3 to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prototype Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 It's all good we still got Rexy to backup RG3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRAVEONAWARPATH Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Isn't the draft class hindered because a few QB's including the Oregon one ar deciding to stay for their final year? Good point. I forgot about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If somebody offers a GM an first round pick for a back up and he declines he should be fired on the spot. Especially one that you only have a fourth round pick invested in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I'd lean toward a 3rd if he plays well. Maybe a 2nd if he blows the doors off,or if a team is desperate. A 1st... Hell no, not unless someones on crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zguy28 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If you can draft a player in the 4th, and get a 3rd, that's good. Get a 2nd, that's great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006Skins Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Don't forget, teams that are desperate for a starting qb will do a lot. Ponder was a 2nd or 3rd round qb and was drafted at #12. Don't forget guys like Schaub and Kolb were traded for multiple seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 If you can draft a player in the 4th, and get a 3rd, that's good. Get a 2nd, that's great. No it's not. I think any team in the league would trade a 4th round pick in 2014 for a 3rd round pick in 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jadams5214 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Cousins' value will likely go up significantly if he plays well in the next 3 games. As seen with Matt Flynn, there is always a team out there willing to overpay for a young QB that appears to have any sort of ability and potential to be an NFL starter. Would definitely trade Cousins for a 1st and maybe a 2nd. Not sure getting a 3rd round pick is enough though. Skins took him in the 4th round when many wondered why Shanny didn't instead fill other more glaring needs on the roster besides a backup QB. Trading Cousins just a couple years after drafting him for a pick that is only one round higher than what was originally used isn't that great of a return in this case... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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