Springfield Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 if it comes out that snyder was picking players, i'll change my mind, but if not, i cant for the life of me figure how this mess is anyone but shanahans fault. he picked the players. he picked the bad staff. he coaches the team. not dan. Look. Shanahan built this team. He has total control. I understand this. The problem with this team goes beyond Shanahan. Shanahan enherited what we thought was the worst Redskins team ever. How we can then call his version the worst ever and not think that there is a larger problem is incredibly short sighted. This same problem has been going on for close to, or even over, a decade. All of the media circuses. All of the incredibly inept teams. Teams that were fundamentally unsound, couldn't go a game without holding, couldn't create turnovers, couldn't score points, couldn't prevent points from being scored, couldn't play special teams effectively, the list goes on. Shanahan is just a mistake in a long line of mistakes by Dan Snyder. I don't expect this to change. I fully expect the coaching search to be just a big circus as firing Shanahan has been. After Shanahan is gone how do we blame home for our ensuing coaching circus? This is Snyder's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Look. Shanahan built this team. He has total control. I understand this. The problem with this team goes beyond Shanahan. Shanahan enherited what we thought was the worst Redskins team ever. How we can then call his version the worst ever and not think that there is a larger problem is incredibly short sighted. This same problem has been going on for close to, or even over, a decade. All of the media circuses. All of the incredibly inept teams. Teams that were fundamentally unsound, couldn't go a game without holding, couldn't create turnovers, couldn't score points, couldn't prevent points from being scored, couldn't play special teams effectively, the list goes on. Shanahan is just a mistake in a long line of mistakes by Dan Snyder. I don't expect this to change. I fully expect the coaching search to be just a big circus as firing Shanahan has been. After Shanahan is gone how do we blame home for our ensuing coaching circus? This is Snyder's fault.   everybody acknowledges that snyder has been a bad owner since the day he bought the team.  what that has to do with the past 4 years- outside of him hiring the wrong guy in shanny- i dont know.  just saying 'hes a bad owner, so its his fault' is too easy. it doesnt answer specifically what happened this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Springfield, Dan hired a guy and took his paws off the operation. What should he have done differently the last four years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
repo_4 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I am lost with this "preferential treatment" notion. When Mike and Kyle hang out away from work, spend the holidays together or work on their cars and drink beer together, do the other coaches have the right to feel like Kyle gets better treatment than they do and can "revolt" against Mike? Should they be invited to Mikes for Thanksgiving dinner? Â I do not see why there is an issue with Dan being close to RGIII, he is a businessman and this guy is his top earner. If he loans him his limo or gives him a security guard when he goes out, so what? If that relationship doesn't involve Dan telling Mike what to do as far as playing RGIII I don't see what the issue is. I have not seen any reports that RGIII has gone to Dan with "I don't like... can you talk to coach for me?" So it seems to me that their relationship is that of just friends. Just like it is acceptable for Mike and Kyle to have a relationship outside of Head Coach and Offensive Coordinator. Â There was a report that Dan came in the locker room and spoke to Griff after the Browns game last year and said nothing to Cousins. Now that would be an issue and cause problems. But that is the only real "report" I have seen about anything negative with them. I just don't see how all the non-football related stuff would have any impact on the other players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Springfield, Dan hired a guy and took his paws off the operation. What should he have done differently the last four years? I don't necessarily think that he should have done anything differently. I don't think the player-owner relationship is a big deal. He is obviously doing something wrong. Perhaps it's as simple as hiring the wrong people for the job time and time again. Perhaps it's deeper than that. I can't say that it is or isn't, I can say that it is Snyder's fault. Zorn was easy to write off because he had no coaching experience. Gibbs was a famed coach but one that would have been run out of town if he wasn't a hall of fame, Super Bowl winning REDSKINS coach. Spurrier was a college coach that we wrote off as a scheme that wouldn't work. Schottenhimer was a hard nosed coach that Snyder couldn't get along with. Then there was Shanahan, the HOF Super Bowl winning coach. Most of us liked how Snyder handled most things post-Zorn, myself included. Maybe we were wrong. We are, as you know, just fans. Whatever Snyder has done has failed. Not just with Shanahan but with the totality of the team. It's his legacy this far. That is why it's so easy for me to blame Snyder. Sure Shanahan is the problem the past 4 seasons, Snyder is the problem the pas 15 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJL Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Not saying that the story is true. I can only confirm that RG3 does in fact receive preferential from Dan Snyder. Now whether Shanny has a problem with this I can't confirm but if he does it actually makes sense. If the preferential treatment is right there in the face of the rest of the players on the team, especially the vets, then Shanny would be right to say that things like this actually divide a locker room. You have to deal with issues of player envy, overly scrutinizing from one player to the next, etc. A locker room divided will NEVER EVER lead to multiple winning seasons.  These are the same issues that we dealt with between Snyder and Portis.  what modern NFL player wouldn't expect the owner to be buddy buddy with the top players? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacoby6644 Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 dude- cant read that. gotta fix that font. I tried but for whatever reason it keeps reverting back to the smaller version. Here is what I originally posted: Agreed. I am trying to give Dan the benefit of the doubt that he has truly left the football ops to Shanny. As far as owners being friends/friendly with players, living in the Boston area, I have no further to look than the Patriots. Robert Kraft is and has been quite chummy with many of his players. Not only Brady, but Tedy Bruschi, Troy Brown, Vince Wilfork, to name a few. Now I don't know about perferential treatment and for the record that would go over very well with other players if there was, but make no mistake, there are relationships between owners and players besides what goes on the field and they don't necessarily have to have an impact to what goes on the field unless all parties can't understand that business is business and friends are friends. When it is time to work, it is time to work.  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I don't necessarily think that he should have done anything differently. I don't think the player-owner relationship is a big deal. He is obviously doing something wrong. Perhaps it's as simple as hiring the wrong people for the job time and time again. Perhaps it's deeper than that. I can't say that it is or isn't, I can say that it is Snyder's fault. Zorn was easy to write off because he had no coaching experience. Gibbs was a famed coach but one that would have been run out of town if he wasn't a hall of fame, Super Bowl winning REDSKINS coach. Spurrier was a college coach that we wrote off as a scheme that wouldn't work. Schottenhimer was a hard nosed coach that Snyder couldn't get along with. Then there was Shanahan, the HOF Super Bowl winning coach. Most of us liked how Snyder handled most things post-Zorn, myself included. Maybe we were wrong. We are, as you know, just fans. Whatever Snyder has done has failed. Not just with Shanahan but with the totality of the team. It's his legacy this far. That is why it's so easy for me to blame Snyder. Sure Shanahan is the problem the past 4 seasons, Snyder is the problem the pas 15 seasons.   i agree with you. actually, i think gibbs 2 gets a little bit of the short straw. the man did take us to the playoffs 2 years out of 4. lots of people poo poo his second stint though.  while i agree that snyder has done the wrong thing most of the time as owner, i still have to give him credit for taking himself out of it when he hired shanny. i was all in on shanny. i think he tried to do the right thing.  the problem before shanny (minus gibbs 2, depending on how involved dan really was, and schotty) was than dan wanted to be involved. he respected gibbs and he respected shanny. so he let them run things. zorn was inexperienced, so he felt like he could be more involved.  but i give him credit for realizing- unlike jerry jones- that he's out of his element. he let people who knew more than him run things.  the only problem with shanahan is, he hired the wrong guy. snyder was right to take his hands off the operation, he just hired the wrong guy.  if we were the dallas cowboys, we would realize we would be doomed because their owner hasnt learned from his mistakes. dans not involved now.  hes on the right track. hes learning. he just need to find the right coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 i agree with you. actually, i think gibbs 2 gets a little bit of the short straw. the man did take us to the playoffs 2 years out of 4. lots of people poo poo his second stint though. while i agree that snyder has done the wrong thing most of the time as owner, i still have to give him credit for taking himself out of it when he hired shanny. i was all in on shanny. i think he tried to do the right thing. the problem before shanny (minus gibbs 2, depending on how involved dan really was, and schotty) was than dan wanted to be involved. he respected gibbs and he respected shanny. so he let them run things. zorn was inexperienced, so he felt like he could be more involved. but i give him credit for realizing- unlike jerry jones- that he's out of his element. he let people who knew more than him run things. the only problem with shanahan is, he hired the wrong guy. snyder was right to take his hands off the operation, he just hired the wrong guy. if we were the dallas cowboys, we would realize we would be doomed because their owner hasnt learned from his mistakes. dans not involved now. hes on the right track. hes learning. he just need to find the right coach. I hope he's on the right track. We won't really find out until after Shanahan is fired. Once that happens we learn if we will ever have a hands off owner again. He may very well decide that the failure Shanahan is proof enough for him to not keep his hands out of the cookie jar. It wouldn't surprise me. Just because everyone thinks that hiring a player focused GM to pick out a new head coach (including me) doesn't mean that he will actually do that. I don't trust him to do that either. Snyder has done nothing to build my trust (aside from keeping the name). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 This is a strange place to find truth amongst all the noise. Check out this 5 minute Jason LaCanfora video.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvVBwLDKIx4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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