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Apparently, that's all that Snyder has really done wrong, be friends with his franchise quarterback - there's no evidence he made Shanahan make any moves.

Why is that more important than bad draft picks and FA signings or lazy unimaginative playcalling? Is that why we only have one legit NFL starting OL and a DL that still starts Kedrick Golston? When you trot out league worst special teams and a defense led by a coordinator who has not had a top defense in the last decade, why is that less important than who the QB has dinner with?

Why can't we focus on substance when we talk about why the team is bad instead of falling for the Shanahan/media narrative?

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Not saying that the story is true. I can only confirm that RG3 does in fact receive preferential from Dan Snyder. Now whether Shanny has a problem with this I can't confirm but if he does it actually makes sense. If the preferential treatment is right there in the face of the rest of the players on the team, especially the vets, then Shanny would be right to say that things like this actually divide a locker room. You have to deal with issues of player envy, overly scrutinizing from one player to the next, etc. A locker room divided will NEVER EVER lead to multiple winning seasons. 

 

These are the same issues that we dealt with between Snyder and Portis.

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If players are concerned about other players getting star or preferential treatment, it is only because they themselves received it most of their life and now are no longer the benefactor. Grow up. In every walk of life, the most talented, attractive, popular etc get preferential treatment.

Business, sports, high school even in your home...again if they haven't figured this out by now and it's a problem it's probably because they spent their own lives being coddled.

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Apparently, that's all that Snyder has really done wrong, be friends with his franchise quarterback - there's no evidence he made Shanahan make any moves.

Why is that more important than bad draft picks and FA signings or lazy unimaginative playcalling? Is that why we only have one legit NFL starting OL and a DL that still starts Kedrick Golston? When you trot out league worst special teams and a defense led by a coordinator who has not had a top defense in the last decade, why is that less important than who the QB has dinner with?

Why can't we focus on substance when we talk about why the team is bad instead of falling for the Shanahan/media narrative?

 

To answer all of your other questions... it is not and it doesn't.

 

That's why there is not only ONE wrong going on here.

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If reports are true that Dan comes into the locker room after games and only talks to Robert, that's not good. Can't be sure if it was true but there was even a report that he ignored Cousins after his first NFL start vs the Browns, only to talk to RG3. That is not behavior conducive to winning. It not only undermines the head coach, but belittles the efforts of other players as well.

 

Not saying it’s true, but if it is, I understand why a coach would take issue with it.

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If players are concerned about other players getting star or preferential treatment, it is only because they themselves received it most of their life and now are no longer the benefactor. Grow up. In every walk of life, the most talented, attractive, popular etc get preferential treatment.

Business, sports, high school even in your home...again if they haven't figured this out by now and it's a problem it's probably because they spent their own lives being coddled.

 

I agree. I was only speaking to the fact that I understand why Shanny would say their relationship isn't conducive to winning. Other players have probably said somethings to Shanny in private that makes him feel like their relationship is having a detrimental effect on the mentality of the team and maybe the QB as well.

 

Things like this come out when the team is not winning. Griffin has received preferential treatment since day 1. Yet he played lights out last year in route to be ROY and leading his team to a division championship trophy. Now amidst a dreadful season by both team and player, they probably feel like a.) the preferential treatment is not warranted   b.) it's a distraction to RG3 because he has seemingly lost focus on bettering things like decision making, reading defenses, etc   and c.) it's causing him to be a prima donna/ be bigger than the team.

 

Again, this is all just logical thinking. 

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It really has nothing to do with anything. It might be slightly demoralizing for other players, but they all know Snyder is a turd and they probably don't want to talk to him in the first place.

What do you think causes a bigger rift on a day to day basis: A jocksniffing little napoleon owner who has a man crush on the QB, or having the OC of a struggling offense be the son of the head coach? No big mystery there.

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Why can't we focus on substance when we talk about why the team is bad instead of falling for the Shanahan/media narrative?

Because we're human beings and have this strange ability to talk about multiple things at the same time. Shocking I know. For further reference you can look at the past few weeks on this forum where there's been people discussing problems with:

1. Mike Shanahan

2. Kyle Shanahan

3. Jim Haslett

4. Keith Burns

5. Robert Griffin

6. Sav Rocca

7. The Offensive Line

8. Most of the Defense

9. Every kick returner other than Santana Moss

But suddenly because people are spending a bit of time complaining about Dan Snyder....complaining about Dan Snyder for a reason similar to PAST complaints about him on this forum....people are suddenly incapable of criticizing more than one thing. :roll:

The person I'm seeing right now trying to push a narrative is YOU and the others attempting to completely ignore Snyder and scolding people for not screaming about Shanahan 100% of the way for 100% of the time, some of which going so far as to flat out white wash Snyder's entire tenure and absolve him of his past coaching errors.

There's a LOT to criticize Shanahan over...a lot to criticize a LOT of people over...criticizing one person does not magically cause anyone to be incapable of criticizing another person. The fact that Shanahan has made numerous mistakes doesn't excuse Snyder potentially CONTINUING a long tradition of causing issues with favorite players. Crticizing Snyder doesn't excuse or erase the numerous issues with Shanahan.

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In my experience, the friendship is a problem if there are two consistently competing voices of authority.  However,  the coach may not like the possibility of being overruled by a higher authority, right or wrong.  Snyder being available to hear some gripes could be a good thing if he is tactful in the manner of relaying issues back to the Coach.  But if the coach is insecure or rigid it will not matter how the player/Snyder contact is presented to him. 

 

The leaking of such concern is not very tactful and appears to be a justification for leaving or dissatisfaction.  However, coach may not feel Snyder is open to discuss the issue.

 

Either way there appears to be a power struggle and if the media is being used to communicate issues to Snyder, there is clearly a problem. 

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Good lord people. Do you really want a player feeling like he doesn't have to listen to his head coach or work as hard because he is buddies with the owner? Really?

 

*bites tongue and walks away*

Do really feel that's how RG3 sees things, just because Snyder has done him some favors and eaten some dinner with him?

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From someone who's seen preferential treatment first hand, it can be a big problem. It's more than just, "grow up." Like someone already says, it be-littles everyone else. I think Shanahan is nothing but a snake, but the one thing so far that I've had a problem with concerning Snyder is the report of him no acknowledging Cousins after his first win against Cleveland. If Snyder did that, that's just wrong.

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The issue is, Dan either picks horrible friends, or turns his friends into horrible people.  

 

Exhibit A:

 

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This one's no shocker to anyone.

 

Exhibit B:

 

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Did Tom and Vinny have the same haircut before they became friends with Dan?

Tom was a highly respected actor, then he met Dan.

 

Exhibit C:

 

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A highly respected coordinator, turned into one of the most out of control head coaches in history because of Exhibit A.

 

Then you can add in Portis, who was a good running back while he was here, but failed to live up to his Denver days.  Griffin is showing similar traits, but I'm assuming it's more because of a lost off-season and the injury rather than due to the Snyder Curse.

 

Dan needs to ignore his team, and start making friends with the other owners in the NFL, their players, coaches, GMs, and anyone who is not on this team.  Then, we'll be winning SBs year after year.

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Having a friendship with an employee isn't a bad thing, but if it undermines said emploee's manager then there's a problem.

Dan is a diehard Redskins fan, I never once doubted his loyalty and love for the franchise. But sometimes being an owner and a fanboy is like mixing oil and water.

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So RGIII not having to play out the rest of the season because he is the franchise and is the only way the coaching staff believe the team can win in the future ISN'T an example of preferential treatment that could make other players jealous or upset, but Snyder being friends with him is? 

 

Its really stupid. It honestly is. These players don't really care about the owners, considering in their daily routines they deal more with each other, their position coaches and coordinators than they ever do with ownership. Not saying that it would be healthy if the owner came in and made people feel like crap and treated others well, but Cousins getting snubbed by the owner is hardly evidence that Snyder's relationships with players is splitting the team, so the idea is bogus to me.

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Having a friendship with an employee isn't a bad thing, but if it undermines said emploee's manager then there's a problem.

Dan is a diehard Redskins fan, I never once doubted his loyalty and love for the franchise. But sometimes being an owner and a fanboy is like mixing oil and water.

And what did Dan do to undermine Mike?

It seems that this whole thing is far more about Mike Shanahan's insecurity than anything - how dare anyone other than me get all the attention, I'm the genius, I'm the savior, ME! Or maybe to him, "full control" means absolute control - no friendship or camaderie or anything with players.

Do we even know if this was bothering the players?

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And what did Dan do to undermine Mike?

It seems that this whole thing is far more about Mike Shanahan's insecurity than anything - how dare anyone other than me get all the attention, I'm the genius, I'm the savior, ME! Or maybe to him, "full control" means absolute control - no friendship or camaderie or anything with players.

Do we even know if this was bothering the players?

Sorry for not being clear; I was speaking in generalities. There's no evidence Mike was undermined and I don't think it happened here.

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Amazing how many people are anti shanahan on every issue. These are the same people who criticize him for both leaving rg3 in the playoff game and sitting him the rest of the season.

Danny does the same stuff we make fun of jerry jones for and yet majority of people are taking his side just because shanny is enemy #1. I think, if anything, those are the people who need to grow up. Players expect fans, reporters and advertising companies to treat the superstar better; but a great boss is one who let's everyone know they are appreciated.

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Amazing how many people are anti shanahan on every issue. These are the same people who criticize him for both leaving rg3 in the playoff game and sitting him the rest of the season.

Danny does the same stuff we make fun of jerry jones for and yet majority of people are taking his side just because shanny is enemy #1. I think, if anything, those are the people who need to grow up. Players expect fans, reporters and advertising companies to treat the superstar better; but a great boss is one who let's everyone know they are appreciated.

 

If anyone "needs to grow up", its fans that are already insulting RGIII's character just because the team is having a bad year. He deserves criticism, but most of the criticism lobbed at him are assumptions that hes some selfish ego maniac, and not about him having difficulty reading defenses that have learned his habits.

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Apparently, that's all that Snyder has really done wrong, be friends with his franchise quarterback - there's no evidence he made Shanahan make any moves.

Why is that more important than bad draft picks and FA signings or lazy unimaginative playcalling? Is that why we only have one legit NFL starting OL and a DL that still starts Kedrick Golston? When you trot out league worst special teams and a defense led by a coordinator who has not had a top defense in the last decade, why is that less important than who the QB has dinner with?

Why can't we focus on substance when we talk about why the team is bad instead of falling for the Shanahan/media narrative?

Apparently, that's all that Snyder has really done wrong, be friends with his franchise quarterback - there's no evidence he made Shanahan make any moves.

Why is that more important than bad draft picks and FA signings or lazy unimaginative playcalling? Is that why we only have one legit NFL starting OL and a DL that still starts Kedrick Golston? When you trot out league worst special teams and a defense led by a coordinator who has not had a top defense in the last decade, why is that less important than who the QB has dinner with?

Why can't we focus on substance when we talk about why the team is bad instead of falling for the Shanahan/media narrative?

Have you ever coached a football team before? More than any sport it's all about chemistry. Hence the reason those superstar teams like the 2000 Redskins and Andy's last year at Philly didn't work. When one player is above the team dissension will set in. Of course the players won't say it publicly but it can't make them want to go to war for their QB when he gets security escorts, premiere parking, thanksgiving dinner, and limo service for his fiancé/bride. Oh and he gets to ignore the OC and do his own thing. Then has the gall to put his team mates on blast when HE makes the wrong decisions in game! And his daddy makes it worse by storming into the locker room like some rec league stage dad crying cause lineman, whom his son tossed under a bus the previous week, didn't help his kid up off the ground.

Mark my words. Just getting a new coach won't suffice. Nobody likes the teachers pet. Especially one that likes to use "I" when things go good (I told my guys we can score here, etc) and "We" when things go bad. We have to block better. We have to catch the ball. Robert has a lot of work to do repairing the relationships with his team mates. That's more Danny's fault cause Robert is still a young man. Nevertheless, he has a tough job cut out for him.

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Its really stupid. It honestly is. These players don't really care about the owners, considering in their daily routines they deal more with each other, their position coaches and coordinators than they ever do with ownership. Not saying that it would be healthy if the owner came in and made people feel like crap and treated others well, but Cousins getting snubbed by the owner is hardly evidence that Snyder's relationships with players is splitting the team, so the idea is bogus to me.

 

People have been saying for years Snyder needs to let the football people run the show, and that he has since taken a step back. These reports, if true, could be a sign that he has not, and indicate a larger problem. How far would it have to go for you to say Snyder needs to step off? That instead of being friends, he should be a professional?

 

What if for example (hypothetical based on a rumor), Robert has a problem with Kyle’s play calling and expresses his displeasure to Dan because Mike and Kyle won’t listen to him. Think that’s a good thing? I don’t. If he did, Snyder should tell him “talk to coach”. If history is any indication, that’s not the kind of response Snyder would have.

 

Again, not that any of it is true, but if it is, I think its cause for concern.  

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Posted in another thread, but what Cooley said today to JLC really explained things IMO.

Mike and Kyle think they whiffed on RG3 and don't want to take the blame.

So they are trying anything.

 

Really? Whiffed? Like he isn't the franchise guy they thought he was? Or he doesn't fit what they want to do? Seems the latter is more likely. Either way, seems very petty.

 

It does appear that whatever the case, these leaks are coming from their side of the house and are intended to deflect blame.

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