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Exactly. It would only be shocking if he were putting up these numbers...and losing.

To the media and the public it would be shocking if he had these numbers and was losing.

But the numbers themselves aren't shocking considering the circumstances.

Aaron Rodgers says "hello". Greg Jennings walked, Donald Driver retired, and then James Jones, Randall Cobb and Jermichael Finley lost to injury.

Honestly not quite the same though.

Jones, Cobb and Finley all played during the season then we're injured.

Brady started the season missing 5 of his top receivers: Welker, Lloyd, Gronk, Hernandez and Woodhead.

Then lost Amedola on and off during.

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Nope. Why do you?

 

Brady is playing mediocre to poor right now. You said that's not surprising because he lost receivers.

 

If losing those receivers is the reason he's declined so drastically, then their presence had to be the reason he was playing well.

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Yes, they are winning. I said that in the OP.

The post you quoted was asking about Sam Bradford's receivers.

Yep. And I ignored it, because it made no sense.

Cam has put up even better numbers than Bradford. But guess what, he doesn't win either. That's the point you're missing.

When those guys win 3 SBs and 2 MVPs, they'll get a pass, too.

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Brady is playing mediocre to poor right now. You said that's not surprising because he lost receivers.

 

If losing those receivers is the reason he's declined so drastically, then their presence had to be the reason he was playing well.

Woah, woah I don't agree that Brady is playing mediocre to poor I think his stats are mediocre to poor for sure but I don't the HE is playing mediocre to poor.

 

Do you see the distinction?

 

I think Brady has been playing at the same level for a long time and his stats fluctuate based on surrounding talent, like any established veteran QB. If you could plug in a motivated Randy Moss + Wes Welker he would light the league up right now.

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Brady is 36 years old and nearing the end of a first ballot HOF career. It's not shocking that he's fallen off. People think declines happen slowly but that's not always the case, many times when you drop off it's like dropping off a cliff instead of a slow roll down a hill. Look at Brett Favre. He was a Pro Bowler in 09 and got the Vikes to the NFC Title game, the next year he was awful and in 2011 he was cut and had to retire. Ditto Donovan McNabb.

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Lmao I think we can close this one down now!

 

Because of one good game? Maybe the Cam Newton thread should have been closed 3 weeks ago.

 

I called it almost perfectly a week ago.

 

In fact, me posting this thread pretty much guarantees that he'll have a 400 yard, 5TD game next week.

 

 

Though I think I'll give it more than one game before I say Tom Brady is back to normal.

Brady is 36 years old and nearing the end of a first ballot HOF career. It's not shocking that he's fallen off. People think declines happen slowly but that's not always the case, many times when you drop off it's like dropping off a cliff instead of a slow roll down a hill. Look at Brett Favre. He was a Pro Bowler in 09 and got the Vikes to the NFC Title game, the next year he was awful and in 2011 he was cut and had to retire. Ditto Donovan McNabb.

 

Dan Marino was the same way. At the end of his career he was a shell of his former self.

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Marino tore his achilles

 

That was 6 years before he retired. He had one of his best seasons the year after the injury.

 

As to your previous comments, no, we don't often see established, veteran, future HOF QBs fall off a cliff when their teammates change. What we usually see is those teammates falling off a cliff when they leave and go to a team with an inferior QB.

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Understatement of the year, Brady's teammates 'changed'. It's like Richtie Incognito was 'tough' on Jonathan Martin.

 

QBs lose receivers all the time. All. The. Time. It's part of the game and it's not a good excuse for playing poorly.

 

Aaron Rodgers lost half his offense and didn't miss a beat.  Peyton Manning went to an entirely new team, whose two best receivers had never had a 700 yard season, and he was as good as ever. Drew Brees has been fantastic regardless of who he's played with.This is what great QBs do. They don't turn into a shell of themselves because they're playing with some new people.

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None of the QBs you named lost anywhere close to the receiving talent that Brady lost.

To say anything else is dishonest.

Tom Brady is still Tom Brady, you just can't wrap your head around how a QBs talent effects their statistical production. As his receivers get better Brady stats will improve. But Brady's been playing at the same high level.

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None of the QBs you named lost anywhere close to the receiving talent that Brady lost.

To say anything else is dishonest.

Tom Brady is still Tom Brady, you just can't wrap your head around how a QBs talent effects their statistical production. As his receivers get better Brady stats will improve. But Brady's been playing at the same high level.

 

Brady lost his slot receiver, his #2 tight end, a washed up Brandon Lloyd (out of the league now), and a very mediocre running back. You are hyping up that talent to an absurd level. To say what Rodgers or Manning lost was nowhere close is beyond dishonest.

 

Believe it or not, it is possible for a QB to simply not play well. It isn't always someone else's fault.

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Brady lost his slot receiver, his #2 tight end, a washed up Brandon Lloyd (out of the league now), and a very mediocre running back. You are hyping up that talent to an absurd level. To say what Rodgers or Manning lost was nowhere close is beyond dishonest.

 

Believe it or not, it is possible for a QB to simply not play well. It isn't always someone else's fault.

LMAO! Downplaying the loss of Wes Welker and a "#2 tight end" that would've been a number one on most teams makes it hard to take you seriously.

 

Tom Brady is one of the best of all-time and he's still one of the best NOW.

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LMAO! Downplaying the loss of Wes Welker and a "#2 tight end" that would've been a number one on most teams makes it hard to take you seriously.

 

Tom Brady is one of the best of all-time and he's still one of the best NOW.

 

Can you explain why Rodgers and Manning didn't struggle when they lost better players than the ones Brady lost?

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Even though I've already posted them in this thread can you name the receivers Brady lost and their yards?

 

Since you've completely dismissed Reggie Wayne, Pierre Garcon, Dallas Clark, Donald Driver, James Jones, Randall Cobb, Greg Jennings, and Jermichael Finley, I'll go ahead and say no.

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He lost a WR who averaged 112 catches, 1,243 yards and 6 TDs, and who is currently on pace for 100 catches, 1,110 yards, and 18 TDs for his new team- NOT just "a slot WR".

 

He lost for the first (6 games?) a TE who has averaged for his career so far 5 catches, 73 yards and 1 TD every single game. Tom Brady has looked better since Gronkowski has returned from his injury.

 

The 2nd string TE he lost? In 2011 Aaron Hernandez was better statistically than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Vernon Davis, and Kellen Winslow Jr., while only starting 12 games and appearing in 14.

 

I don't know what the motivation was behind NE cutting Lloyd and his subsequent failure to find a new team at only 31 years old. He did however put up 74 catches for 911 yards and 4 TDs last year which has to be worth more than an unproven rookie WR.

 

As for the RB...Woodhead? He was average but not amazing. Ridley played well for them last season and is having a decent season this year as well.

 

What did Manning lose by comparison? Reggie Wayne? He came to Denver and found a large, strong, underutilized 1st round pick from GT sitting on the roster named DeMaryus Thomas. People like to pretend the guy came out of nowhere, but they don't realize he was a 1st round pick and the prior season he had somehow managed to get over 500 yards and 4 TDs out of 5 starts with Tim FREAKING Tebow. The same situation can be said of 3rd round pick Eric Decker, who had put up some big games prior to Tebow's insertion into the lineup, and did alright following. Manning studied film and knew what he was getting. Of course good players make each other better. Manning made those two into 1,000 yard receivers. This season, they're putting Manning on pace for 5,838 yards and 58 touchdowns, both of which would be career bests by far- better than his years with Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Clark, Garcon, etc.

 

As for Rodgers, he's surrounded by so much talent and he spreads the ball around so much that nobody was even over 1,000 yards for the Packers receivers in 2012. Randall Cobb was close and guess what? He returned to the team this season and suffered a severe injury just a few weeks ago. Finley? Still with the team. Jones? Still with the team. Nelson? Still with the team. I just named the top 4 WRs for the Green Bay Packers in 2012. They're all still Packers.

 

Who did Aaron Rodgers lose? Why he lost Greg Jennings. 36 catch, 336 yards in 2012 Greg Jennings who hasn't been over 1,000 since 2010. I'm failing to see this point.

 

Tom Brady lost a lot of good, talented players and they weren't really replaced with talented veterans. Their top WR right now is a former 7th round pick project career backup. Their 2nd best is a 2nd round pick WR in Dobson who is starting to develop and will likely become a good WR. Their 3rd best statistically is Kenbrell Thompkins, an undrafted free agent WR.

 

Brady hasn't had the same hot start he usually does, but the Patriots have stayed at the top of their division in spite of this, and yet we're talking about his decline? We're saying he's not playing well? He's made mistakes this season just as any good QB can do, but to pretend that he's supposed to turn anybody in the world into a 100 catch 1,000 yard WR is absolutely idiotic.

 

Addendum:

 

Rodgers and Manning never really lost all talent at all skill positions at one time. As one player declined and left, another rose to take the passing of the torch. James Jones for example came into prominence while Donald Driver was beginning to decline. Reggie Wayne came into his own with his first 1,000 yard season in 2004, and picked up for Harrison who began to decline after 2006. Jones in GB passed the torch to Cobb last season. Manning went to a new team which is unique among the three we're discussing, but he went to a team which had budding young 1st and 3rd round draft picks and who added after year 1 a guy who had 118 catches for over 1,000 yards with his previous team last season.

 

Tom Brady lost over one off-season his #1 WR, his #1 TE, his #2 WR, his #2 TE.

 

This is not something that Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning has ever experienced. Brady has his #1 TE back now and in the past two weeks we've seen Gronk average 6 catches for 94 yards, and he got his first TD this week in a dominating performance. Brady, in his most recent game, had a passer rating of 151, 400+ yards, 4 TD's, and appeared to enjoy the additional help.

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He lost a WR who averaged 112 catches, 1,243 yards and 6 TDs, and who is currently on pace for 100 catches, 1,110 yards, and 18 TDs for his new team- NOT just "a slot WR".

 

He lost Randy Moss a couple years ago. He didn't fall off a cliff after that.

 

He lost for the first (6 games?) a TE who has averaged for his career so far 5 catches, 73 yards and 1 TD every single game. Tom Brady has looked better since Gronkowski has returned from his injury.

 

Actually he was terrible for the first two games after Gronkowski came back.  He was also good before Gronk was even in the NFL.

 

The 2nd string TE he lost? In 2011 Aaron Hernandez was better statistically than Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Jason Witten, Vernon Davis, and Kellen Winslow Jr., while only starting 12 games and appearing in 14.

 

Brady only had Aaron Hernandez for half of last season and yet was somehow just as effective when he wasn't playing.

 

I don't know what the motivation was behind NE cutting Lloyd and his subsequent failure to find a new team at only 31 years old. He did however put up 74 catches for 911 yards and 4 TDs last year which has to be worth more than an unproven rookie WR.

 

Because he wasn't any good. Jabar Gaffney put up almost identical numbers here in 2011. When he left,  nobody cared or used that as an excuse for anything.

 

As for the RB...Woodhead? He was average but not amazing. Ridley played well for them last season and is having a decent season this year as well.

 

What did Manning lose by comparison? Reggie Wayne? He came to Denver and found a large, strong, underutilized 1st round pick from GT sitting on the roster named DeMaryus Thomas. People like to pretend the guy came out of nowhere, but they don't realize he was a 1st round pick and the prior season he had somehow managed to get over 500 yards and 4 TDs out of 5 starts with Tim FREAKING Tebow. The same situation can be said of 3rd round pick Eric Decker, who had put up some big games prior to Tebow's insertion into the lineup, and did alright following. Manning studied film and knew what he was getting. Of course good players make each other better. Manning made those two into 1,000 yard receivers. This season, they're putting Manning on pace for 5,838 yards and 58 touchdowns, both of which would be career bests by far- better than his years with Harrison, Wayne, Stokley, Clark, Garcon, etc.

 

As for Rodgers, he's surrounded by so much talent and he spreads the ball around so much that nobody was even over 1,000 yards for the Packers receivers in 2012. Randall Cobb was close and guess what? He returned to the team this season and suffered a severe injury just a few weeks ago. Finley? Still with the team. Jones? Still with the team. Nelson? Still with the team. I just named the top 4 WRs for the Green Bay Packers in 2012. They're all still Packers.

 

Who did Aaron Rodgers lose? Why he lost Greg Jennings. 36 catch, 336 yards in 2012 Greg Jennings who hasn't been over 1,000 since 2010. I'm failing to see this point.

 

Tom Brady lost a lot of good, talented players and they weren't really replaced with talented veterans. Their top WR right now is a former 7th round pick project career backup. Their 2nd best is a 2nd round pick WR in Dobson who is starting to develop and will likely become a good WR. Their 3rd best statistically is Kenbrell Thompkins, an undrafted free agent WR.

 

Brady hasn't had the same hot start he usually does, but the Patriots have stayed at the top of their division in spite of this, and yet we're talking about his decline? We're saying he's not playing well? He's made mistakes this season just as any good QB can do, but to pretend that he's supposed to turn anybody in the world into a 100 catch 1,000 yard WR is absolutely idiotic.

 

The rest is just excuses and spin. You made up a whole narrative about Manning and the Broncos, right down to what Manning was thinking.

 

All you said about Rodgers was that he is good and most of his guys came back. Yes, they did, and his play didn't fall off a cliff when they were out. He has been incredibly consistent regardless of who is or isn't on the field with him. Maybe Brady should take lessons?

 

As to your last line, Brady used to do that. He won Super Bowls with scrubs. That's why the first half of this seaonn has been so remarkable.

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