scskinsfan Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 http://www.foxsports.com/content/view?contentId=1764814 CZAR: Redskins almost got their T.O. BY JOHN CZARNECKI FOXSports.com Oct. 19, 2003 1:54 a.m. There is an old saying that goes, "the best trades are the ones that are never made." Well, the NFL must be pleased. There wasn't one trade finalized prior to last Tuesday's deadline. The NFL will resume trading on March 3, 2004, but that's a tentative date. Through the years there has been talk of moving the trading deadline back into late November, but the league likes it where it is because they prefer an anti-trade system. They don't want movement, therefore applying as little pressure as possible on most NFL teams. Otherwise, some general managers and personnel directors would be further exposed for not knowing the value of a player's worth. The management council's rule on signing bonus accelerations basically curbs most deals. For example, some clubs would like to drop that rule and make it similar to the one when you release a veteran player after June 1. When a team waits until June, the acceleration (and salary cap hit) is spread over two years, not one. "Teams generally don't have enough cap room to deal with a huge acceleration into this season," Panthers GM Marty Hurney said. "Even if you wanted to make a big trade, the cap would prevent you from doing the deal." Last week, the 49ers were shopping receiver Terrell Owens, checking his trade value. Owens, who is in the last year of his contract, drew some interest. The Washington Redskins offered starting receiver Rod Gardner and a second-round draft choice. But that wasn't enough. The 49ers were hoping for a first-round choice. They might have done a trade for a No. 1 and No. 3 draft choice. Gardner, a No. 2 receiver, might not be as explosive as Owens on the field, but he's not the problem child that Owens has been to the San Francisco coaches and quarterback Jeff Garcia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Wouldn't have bee a good move IF the rumor is true. We have other needs for next years free agency period, and negotiating with a nutback shouldn't be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Is this a sign that the Skins are going after T.O. in the offseason?..........I sure hope not. With Daniel Snyder as our owner though, nothing would surprise me. I think that this guy would be one of the first owners in the league to jump after a big name, as proven by his history of signings. Hopefully he realizes that the team has alot of more urgent needs to fill, and that TO would simply be nothing more than a distraction. He cries and complains, and quite frankly there is no room for that type of stuff on the Washington Redskins organization. With Coles, Gardner, McCants, and I know its easy to forget him, but Taylor Jacobs, I think that our receiving situation can match up pretty well with most teams in the league. We are young at the position and these guys are only gonna get better. If the rumour is true, I would be very disappointed in the front office for even having considered such a trade. T.O. is a virus.....take your crap somewhere else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 WOW....Talk about a big blow to any chemistry we have here on this team. I'm glad it didn't happen. If it had,I guess I'd be in therapy right now. Note to Snyder and Cerrato: Please think about what your doing when addressing team needs. It's called Defensive End and Tackle. You know,something you haven't drafted in the last,oh I don't know,decade??!!....:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fish Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 ENOUGH WITH THE WRs ALREADY!!! SHEESH! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 CH - To go after T.O. this offseason still would require the Skins trade Gardner. I'm not sure what other teams would be interested.... but once you start offering a player teams know you're trying to unload a player so they won't give you full value. I dunno what I would think about the T.O. pickup. At times I think the offense could use his fiery passion. And though Coles is a great pickup... he still doesn't appear to be "THE" guy when the team needs a catch or a first down. But a player with T.O.'s personality might clash badly with Spurrier. Winning cures everything though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 DH, I dunno about LC NOT being "the guy".... so far, he is almost uncoverable when PR has more than 2 seconds of protection. He came up huge with that catch against N.E. on 3rd and 15. Only a crappy call by the official overturned it. LC has the best chance of being the next "clutch" WR for the Skins since Monk left. We just need to get the Hogs in place to give PR the time to find him. Regarding T.O..... top get him for RG and a 2nd would be a freaking HUGE move. T.O. just wants to win and is passionate about it. He reminds me of Gary Clark in the way he displays his passion for winning. Coles on one side, TO on the other, with McC and Jacobs? That would be an amazing set of WRs.... While I do agree with needing to save our picks for the DL, a move such as the one offered by our FO would have been huge had SF gone for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Hold on though, if we did get T.O, then who would be double covered? We could spread the feild big time with both of those guys. I think it would have been a good trade for us, I'm not necisarally saying that we should go after hm this offseason, but still, this trade would have helped us I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 DH - I realize that getting T.O. would mean having to unload Gardner likely. What I was trying to say was that the way things stand right now, I think the wide out situation in DC is in pretty good shape..........I wonder how these types of rumours (if indeed true that is), will affect a guy like Gardner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhd24 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I don't believe this rumor. Maske of the post would have surely had something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kve Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 In all the years at Florida, I can't remember any players being over the top "me first" players. Spurrier got rid of those type issues quickly (or didn't recruit players like that). I know it is way more difficult to control in the pros -- but I can't think of any player on the redskins that has caused any "distractions". Yes, SD complained some about not running it enough and there is always some grumbling when losing is occurring. I think Spurrier does a good job promoting team over individuals. I think his continuing message that a lot of the problems the redskins have are coaching relating make the players less volatile (SS' anger over false starts not withstanding). TO is a great talent and it would be great to have him -- but we need DL help more. ... and based on his last couple of years, I am not sure that TO is someone Spurrier would want to go after. But if he did come here, he would have to have to learn to be a Spurrier type player. kve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 rumors are just rumors. Smoot was going to be a Viking this summer... eh, Vinnie C. has connections in SF. They probably called him to get an idea of TO value in a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Coles and Owens would have been unstoppable. However I don't see how we could have afforded to re-sign Owens, Bailey and add pass rush. One thing though, if this rumor is based on truth than perhaps this is a sign that the FO has soured on Gardner and will look to move him this coming offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsNorth Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I don't believe it, it's another example of the media tying Snyder to every unhappy player or FA in the league. WR is not a problem on this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 too bad it is just a rumor, that would have been the most lopsided trade in our favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRVFan72 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Thank god...as talented as TO is, I am sick to death of his prima donna crap, and honestly, I cant blame tjhe 49ers one bit for shopping him around. However, he does have 3 TD's receptions for everyone of Gardner's dropped pass...Oh well. This is like the trade that the Bears and Redskins never made with Ramsey...or the trade the Lions and Skins never made regarding a first round choice and Arrington/or Smoot....although sometimes, I sure wish we didnt have to watch Fred Smoot do his Deion-impressions all the time..that really gets to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 sounds like shenannigans to me. I dont think that we would trade for Owens, knowing that we wouldnt be able to resign him next year due to salary cap reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 This would be a stupid move for both teams. The 49'ers, like it or not, are simply not the same offense without Owens in it, and we can't afford Owens, both in the salary sense and in the team chemistry sense. And regarding the latter, can you imagine a single player who would drive Spurrier back into the college ranks faster than Owens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Originally posted by redman And regarding the latter, can you imagine a single player who would drive Spurrier back into the college ranks faster than Owens? David Boston? :doh: :doh1: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayouBrave86 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I guess I am in the minority but I would love Owens on this team. The passing game would be unstoppable, and how many of you hate his on-field showboating, I love it. To see him stand on the star again in a Redskins uniform would be unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riggins44 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Very possible these talks took place. Could be one or both teams playing head games with the players. I see it as a high stakes poker game involving the teams and players. As previously mentioned, 49ers know Snyder is willing to pay up and decided to test the waters. The Redskins probably decided to call their bluff. With salary cap hard to trade players because the guy you are trading cap hit is yours. In the car business we play this game a lot. Have a hot and short supply unit...see what other dealers willing to give for it or use it as bait to unload **** units. So this trade talks all part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 If this trade rumor was true, Gardener and a 2nd for T.O., it would have been a bad deal for the Skins as of the moment. Because T.O. would either have had to sign a new monster contract with the Skins or he would become a free agent in 2004 in that we could hardly place franchise tags on both Champ and T.O. However, it might not be such a bad deal in 2004. My money says the 49ers will place a franchise tag on T.O. in 2004 and then try to deal him. Who would be interested other than the Skins and Raiders? [Tim Brown might be shown the door] If the 49ers would take Gardener [a former #1] straight up for T.O., it might be a workable trade, assuming we can afford to sign both him and Champ. Interesting to speculate. But we obviously need DL help next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Just say no to Owens Danny!! With all of the personality problems we've had, Owens would be the worst ever. He alienated Mooch last year and Garcia this year. That's just what SOS and Ramsey need now - a moronic, egomaniac, superstar second guessing every move. How about we trade Gardner for a great DT, promote DMac, and give Jacobs and Johnson more time at the 3 spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Given what we have with D-Mac and Coles, if Jacobs or Russell start to emerge, Gardner winds up being traded to the Raiduhs in the offseason for a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nelms Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 If you think Owens' whining and crying is bad in S.F., just think what it would be like in D.C. with him competing for balls with L.C. This would be a stupid, stupid, stupid trade. If it is true, then obviously Snyder hasn't learned jack since taking over this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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