Canadian Hog Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 The impression I get is that the veteran posters on this site don't take too well to a new poster coming on this site and criticizing the Skins. At least that's the way I interpreted Air Sarge's thread titled "To Some of the New Posters". Am I right in my thinking or am I way off? If I'm indeed correct in the way I interpreted that thread, I apologize for any negative comments that I may have personally directed towards the Redskins on this board that have offended anyone. I understand that veteran posters must be sick of reading the same sh!t and criticisms week in and week out. But remember, new and old posters alike are fed up of losing as much as the next guy. I know just how tough it is to cope with a loss, (I still can't get over the fact that we blew a 13-0 lead in the second round playoff game at Tampa in 1999)........I'm guessing that the negative comments posted on here following a loss makes things even harder for some fans. Remember though, the expression of negativity by a poster is usually a reflection of a larger problem. Specifically, the poor play of the Skins. Negativity is something to be expected on sites such as this......we all just gotta deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Well, Sarge may have used a shotgun where a carbine might have served a bit better, but his point was well made. It's a matter of style, tone, basis and degree, CH. Nobody here has any problem with critiques or criticisms of the team - hell, we all offer those from time to time. It's when folks go simply nuts with over-the-top ranting screeds, taking sweeping and unsupported shots at every aspect of the team that they can possibley fit into a single post, and then seemingly always take offense -- often vulgar offense -- to the inevitable backlash that such an approach brings ... well, that gets under the skin of some people. Speaking as a "veteran poster," I'll admit that by the 432nd time I've seen a new posters' first few contributions contain nothing but the same old tired, superficial, inflammatory pap that has been dispensed with time after time after time here over the years, it gets old. And when they don't seem willing or able to "get" the tone of the board, no matter how many times it is pointed out to them ... well, it gets even older. When that happens, sometimes, like others, I'm moved to say something that may well end up sounding pretty harsh to someone new to the site. I hate that is works that way, but there it is. Again, negativity, in and of itself, is not the problem. Rudeness, tone-deafness and inability show common courtesy are. All that said ... I don't think you were on Sarge's target list ... or on the radar of this particular "veteran" either. So have a cold one on me, post away, and relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I really think we need to put the 'new guy' vs. 'veteran' thing to rest. In my mind, there are only 2 kinds of folks, quality people who post thoughtfully (and as respectfully of others as possible) and everyone else. I strongly believe your 'impression' is based on the fact that we had a run of 'flamer' types who seemed more interested in generating a pissing contest than in genuine dialog with fellow Redskins fans. The reaction those guys got had nothing to do with being 'a new guy', they were just disruptive. From the posts I've read Canadian, you clearly fall into the former category and I doubt anyone's directing any annoyance your way whatsoever. I'm personally glad everytime theres a new face around here, and I think its obvious that the guys that run Extremeskins encourage, desire, and welcome all new members. Thats what this place is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Originally posted by Om It's a matter of style, tone, basis and degree, CH. And when they don't seem willing or able to "get" the tone of the board, no matter how many times it is pointed out to them ... well, it gets even older. Om, let me ask you & everyone else on here this. Since there are a lot of people posting on here, it's got to be hard to be the "newbie" when someone first starts to post their opinion. My question is Do you think "lurkers" make better posters? Meaning if someone were to "lurk" on here for some time to get a feel for the regulars here before they start to post. Do you think that would help more new members to get the "tone" of the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Well, what do you know? The first couple of responses to this thread are from.............veterans. simply put. Gotta start somewhere. We did. I have to agree with Om and Tarhog. Of course I do. We're veterans. It's the tone. This board, no, community, prides itself on on it's insightful, well thought out debates on all things football, ( Okay, and the babe thread), and right or wrong, (depending on your point of view), the way the points of view are expressed. It's a given that those of us who have been here a while, (and I'm a newbie compared to some), can get just a bit touchy rather quickly when it comes to some of the "criticism" the team recieves. But it's more of a case of, as has been stated, been there read that. It gets old. It's all in the presentation. For me personally, it's about respect for the fellow poster and their opinion. I may not agree or even like it, but I will demonstrate that with at the very least a tad of respect. It's when that isn't recipricated that things can get a bit touchy. I may even unleash a witty "Oh yeah" at that point. and you don't want any of that. I got the second round CH. It's all good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAC Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I like the tone of this board. It's a lot different from many of the other football message boards on the web. At too many boards you see posts that say "your team sucks", "F-You", etc. which can get old pretty quickly. But the majority of the posters here seem to respect one another (even fans of rival teams :yikes: ), are intelligent and well spoken, really do know football, and most importantly love their team.... I know I do. :dallasuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spanishomelette Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 I believe my first post on this board was a rant about a former coach. I learned quickly that I hadn't really said anything that hadn't been hashed out a 100 times before that. After you've hung around awhile you get what Om's talking about. I take a little offense to those who find they are somehow superior because they believe they are the only true voice to be heard. But ultimately it doesn't matter because when I see a thread filled with ridicule, I know its time to move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBMGreatOne Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Hey Canadian Hog, I wouldn't sweat it so much, I think the thread you were talking about applied to some of the other posters who like to spout negatives, but only back it up with an assertion that it is "the truth" or "the way it is." Skinswin was one of them who I don't mind naming, as he was banned for a mostly unrelated issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Hog Posted October 19, 2003 Author Share Posted October 19, 2003 Yeah, I understand what everybody is saying.......men, all I'm praying for is starting this Sunday the Skins give us nothing but good stuff to talk about though.........I've been a member of this board for about a week and a half now, and its been great. With that being said, I'm sure its an even better place after a win. Am I right in my thinking? I hope to find that out later on tonight at about 8 pm or so, after we hopefully have a repeat performance of our Super Bowl victory over the Jills. I've enjoyed every second I'm on this site. Talking Redskins football is joy, but I gotta admit that I get distracted very easily now from my school work.....I'm always checking in to see what's going on around here. Anyways, time to get in game preparation mode....less than 8 hours to kickoff!!! Hail to all the Skins fans on this board, and the men who make this site possible. ----------------------------------------------------- Redskins football is not a matter of life and death, its more important than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blade Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 CH, This place is alot of fun win or lose, but it defintely is more enjoyable after a win. Glad to you have you on board. Also, If you have not been there yet, you should check out the Geographically Challenged board. You will appreciate what you find there most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 The level of sophistication here is definitely higher than any other fan board I've ever come across. It's wonderful that it happens to be based around my team too, but like so many fans of other teams, this board is good enough where I'd strongly consider sticking around if this was, for example, a Titans board or something. But the point is that the high level of sophistication here means it takes a longer - not a shorter - time to figure out the ways of this board. Take a month before you decide whether it's right for you. And remember, as a general rule, you're going to get farther discussing your thoughts than your feelings here. My first intro to the board came in the fall of 2000 when we were 5-2 and I pointed out that I thought we weren't as good as our record. I was absolutely blasted for it by "Reaper" (who closely resembled bulldog ) and others who thought I lacked true Redskins fans bona fides and was just here to stir up trouble. I didn't get scared away, and I stuck around and participated and here I am 3 years and 8k posts later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 It is the "new posters" who want to start pointless arguments trashing the Redskins, in the guise of a Skins fan, that the hostility is aimed towards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Originally posted by TK421CLICKER Om, let me ask you & everyone else on here this. Since there are a lot of people posting on here, it's got to be hard to be the "newbie" when someone first starts to post their opinion. My question is Do you think "lurkers" make better posters? Meaning if someone were to "lurk" on here for some time to get a feel for the regulars here before they start to post. Do you think that would help more new members to get the "tone" of the board? All I really have to go on is my own experience. Personally, I can't imagine joining any message board community - at least not one where I have thoughts about being a regular - without having first read the board for a while. Why would you? What if it turns out all the folks there are a-holes? I had never joined any board before stumbling across this place a few years ago. I wasn't looking to, either. But I was struck by the intelligence of the vast majority of the people here, and the way the interaction sounded like actual conversation and/or debate, rather than silly street-tough-wannabe trash talk. Frankly, I hadn't really seen that before. And I found myself coming back more and more. Took me a good couple of months, though, before I got up the gumption to register, and then, finally, post. Guarantee you, my first few posts were pretty timid. I had plenty to say, sure, but I also wanted to sort of work my way into the mix, and eventually become PART of this thing for the long haul, so I took it slow. Seems to me a lot of people don't really look at message boards that way. Many seem to simply register on a new board to make waves, and start lobbing bombs all over the place from the minute they get their password. That's okay, I guess ... but it's coming at this whole thing from a very different perspective than I have ... and I admit it kind of ruffles my feathers at times. Gotta say, based on having watched this thing grow as it has over 3 years, that I don't think I'm alone in that thinking. Many of us have invested a lot of time and thought in trying to help shape a board that actually DOES actively strive to maintain a civil, respectful tone, and isn't ashamed to admit it. There are hundreds of boards where endless smack is the order of the day. This just isn't one of them. * So ... what was the question again? Oh yeah: do I think folks might be better off "lurking" for a while to get the tone of the board before jumping in? Yes. I do. And doubly so if they're inclined to make the thesis of their first few posts, "yo, the owner and the coach suck." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Originally posted by Om All I really have to go on is my own experience. Personally, I can't imagine joining any message board community - at least not one where I have thoughts about being a regular - without having first read the board for a while. Why would you? What if it turns out all the folks there are a-holes? I had never joined any board before stumbling across this place a few years ago. I wasn't looking to, either. But I was struck by the intelligence of the vast majority of the people here, and the way the interaction sounded like actual conversation and/or debate, rather than silly street-tough-wannabe trash talk. Frankly, I hadn't really seen that before. And I found myself coming back more and more. That was me too Om. Although, I registered after only checking the site out for only 2 days. I realised that I could make my point and not get bashed, as long as I made a valid point and didn't bash the team. And for all the "newbies", I have never been bashed for stating my opinions. As CH has probably noticed, if you're polite to the board and the team, the board is polite to you. If you bash the board and team, or sound like you are, the board will flame you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCS Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 You people need to get a life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Some on this board don't like to hear u hear u criticize the Skins (need to grow up) if they are playing like $hit they need to hear it if they are playing great they need to hear it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Om Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Hey chief, thanx for playing the straight man. As a public service for ya: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38170 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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