Warhead36 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Okay, so I'm reading a lot of "Fire Shanahan" posts, which I'm not disagreeing with necessarily. HOWEVER, a lot of people are advocating hiring someone like Gruden or Cowher. That would be a colossal mistake. Guys who have won Super Bowls never win another on their second team, in fact they usually end up doing terribly. So, what to look for in a coach? Preferably someone young and hungry, but with a solid amount of Offensive or Defensive Coordinator experience. Here are some candidates: Greg Roman-49ers Offensive Coordinator. Has experience working with a mobile QB in Keapernick, would do well with RG3. He is only 41 years old. He also has previous experience as an OL Coach and QB Coach. Darrell Bevell-Seahawks Offensive Coordinator. Again, experienced with a mobile QB. Just 43 years old. Previous experience as an OC in Minnesota and QB Coach with Green Bay(worked very well with Brett Favre). Pete Carmichael-Saints Offensive Coordinator. Has been their OC since 2009, and was a QB Coach before that from 06-09. Lots of experience as an offensive assistant before that, including here in Washington in 01. Only 41 years old. I wouldn't be opposed to a retread, but it has to be someone still relatively young, someone who has won a decent amount but has NOT won a Super Bowl, and someone hungry with something to prove. Recent examples of retreads who followed this model who have won include Bill Bellicheck, Tom Coughlin, and right now John Fox and Pete Carroll. Good candidates would be: Jack Del Rio-Broncos Defensive Coordinator. Was the Head Coach in Jacksonville and wasn't that bad, took them to the playoffs a couple of times. Still just 50 years old. Would turn our D around for sure. Marty Morninhweg-Jets Offensive Coordinator. Wasn't great in Detroit but nobody wins there. Instrumental in the developing of young QBs, is doing wonders with Geno Smith right now on the Jets. 51 years of age. Lovie Smith-Former Bears Coach. Very good record, had back to back 10 win seasons but missed the playoffs before getting fired. Made a Super Bowl, but lost. A little bit older at 55, however John Fox was the same age when the Broncos hired him. Track record of excellent defenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I really don't want a retread. There must be a reason no coach has ever won SuperBowls with two different teams before. I want a young offensive coordinator that calls the plays. Pete Carmichael is interesting, but I think we all know who is the offensive genius behind the Saints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan2k Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 How can you forget Jay Gruden, Mike Zimmer or Pep Hamilton? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead36 Posted October 14, 2013 Author Share Posted October 14, 2013 I really don't want a retread. There must be a reason no coach has ever won SuperBowls with two different teams before. I want a young offensive coordinator that calls the plays. Pete Carmichael is interesting, but I think we all know who is the offensive genius behind the Saints. Well the retreads I listed did not win Super Bowls with previous teams. Lovie got to one but lost. Retreads who had success somewhere else have won rings on their second teams. Examples: Tony Dungy, Tom Coughlin, Bill Bellicheck, right now looks like Pete Carroll and John Fox will both have a shot at rings. I prefer the young OC/DC as well, but I'm not overly against retreads as long as it fits this model. How can you forget Jay Gruden, Mike Zimmer or Pep Hamilton? Zimmer is a bit too old now, at 57. I would have loved hiring him a few years ago, but 57 is a bit too old for a first time head coach. Hamilton is a bit too young and inexperienced. He's only 39 and only has one year as an NFL OC though lots of years as a position coach. In a couple years time he'd be the ideal candidate. I like Jay Gruden too, but I wish he had a bit more NFL experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor703 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 If for some reason Shanny is let go, I want Ray Horton. Let him bring in the staff he wants but I'm not for firing Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I really don't want a retread. There must be a reason no coach has ever won SuperBowls with two different teams before. I want a young offensive coordinator that calls the plays. Pete Carmichael is interesting, but I think we all know who is the offensive genius behind the Saints. Couldn't agree more. No coach has ever won Super Bowls with two different teams and there's no reason to try and be the first team to make it happen. We need a young (but proven), hungry, up & coming coach to come in here and not be scared to be innovative and use the weapons that we have to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I do not want our current front office picking another head coach...EVER! I want a return to the power structure of the glory years - Find a top notch GM, then have him hire the coach he wants. This is how former Skins player and current Packers President Mark Murphy did it. He picked Thompson, Thompson picked McCarthy and the personnel. It's how the Ravens do it with Ozzie running the show, and they've won 2 SBs w/ 2 different coaches. JKC hired Beathard, allowed Beathard to fire Pardee (one year after Pardee won Coach of the Year), and Beathard hired Gibbs. Gibbs was relatively unsuccessful his 2nd go-round not because the game had passed him by, but because he just isn't a solid personnel guy and overpaid in trades and free agency, and blew every offensive draft pick not named Cooley. Beathard drafted Rypien, Humphries, and Schroeder with mid round picks. Gibbs traded a 1st,3rd, and 4th for Jason Campbell. Please, don't reveal your stupidity by claiming that Bruce Allen is a genuine GM. He isn't. He is the equivalent of director of Public Relations and salary cap manager. He is not a personnel guy and was hired because when Danny couldn't lure Shanny to DC mid-season, Shanny dropped his name as someone he'd like to work with. It's the reverse of the proper power dynamic - Allen owes his job (and continuing employment) to the coach. Only Belichik and Parcells have had success with full control. Shanny has won 1 playoff in over a decade. The coach with the highest winning % in history, George Seifert, fell flat on his face in Carolina when demanding full reign. Holmgren was a disappointment in Seattle until they stripped his GM title. Snyder continually and predictably follows the same pattern: he hires an unproven offensive coach (Robiskie,Spurrier,Zorn), undercuts him when things go south, gets crucified in the press, then replaces him with an established name and cedes total control (Schotferbrains,Gibbs,Shanny). The press backs off and proclaims he's learned from his mistakes... Pioli did well with personnel with the glaring exception of QB in KC, but hired the wrong coaches. He might do better in a 2nd go round. Ultimately, Danny should learn from Denver and hire a team president, and let that president pick a GM, and that GM pick a coach. But it'll never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinzfever2010 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Man you'll can't be serious with this ****. Where is Hi There? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipwhich Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 As I just posted in the other thread on this matter. Hire a GM who is in charge of player/personnel.Have GM hire a coach.We do things BACKWARDS here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Head Coach: David Shaw - HC for the Stanford Cardinal Defensive Coordinator, Lou Spanos - DC for the UCLA Bruins Special Teams Coordinator - Brian Mitchell Offensive Coordinator, Mike Bloomgren - OC Stanford Championship... you're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Add the Baylor HC to the list DC. No route tree in Briles scheme? Like there IS in Kyle's? Seriously. Art and Robert together again has the potential to be devastating. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Pep Hamilton for sure. Will be 40 years old next year, has the Colts tearing it up, worked under Harbaugh at Stanford. He is the guy http://www.indystar.com/article/20130926/SPORTS03/309260023/Colts-Insider-Chuck-Pagano-not-just-Pep-Hamilton-behind-offensive-approach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The current regime isn't working and it's not going to work. Shanny is in over his head as GM/HC and spare me with the continuity talk. I'm tired of the excuses for a guy with his resume and in his inability to do the simple things namely clock management. I'm tired of the lack of urgency on offense. I'm tired of being led to believe that the players on this roster are better then they are. Once again, we have no identity on offense. Obviously you let him finish this 3-13 season out and do what several have suggested. 1.Hire a true GM. 2.Have GM interview HC candidates 3.GM hires his guy You don't give him an extension and you let him walk after this season. As mentioned by others letting him comeback next year means this upcoming offseason he will be picking players based on whatever the hell his "system" is now and that's not gong to fit the next coach and his system.. I'm not going to take the bait anymore when it comes to Shanny. There's plenty of other suckers in here that will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonYoungEra Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Head Coach: David Shaw - HC for the Stanford Cardinal Championship... you're welcome. I'm on board w/this, although I like the Pep Hamilton for OC idea. Time for Shanny & Co. to go, I must say. Although I doubt he will after this season (we'll see what our final record is) because The Dan will want to show everyone how he's changed as an owner. And ultimately, this time, keep someone on longer than he should, for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildbunny Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 We might as well end up with Jim Zorn again... Or Steve Spurrier also... Let's bring Vinny back!!! W00T!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Head Coach: David Shaw - HC for the Stanford Cardinal Defensive Coordinator, Lou Spanos - DC for the UCLA Bruins Special Teams Coordinator - Brian Mitchell Offensive Coordinator, Mike Bloomgren - OC Stanford Championship... you're welcome. David Shaw and Pep Hamilton are who I'd be hoping for. Liked Shaw for a while and after the Colts beat the 49ers I became a huge Pep Hamilton fan. An out of left field name who I think might make a great head coach is Mike Priefer, special teams coach for the Vikings. If you look him up, his name has been making the rounds in NFL circles and he was a helicopter pilot I believe in the navy. How could he not mesh well with RG3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJValleySkinz Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 We might as well end up with Jim Zorn again... Or Steve Spurrier also... Let's bring Vinny back!!! W00T!!! If I had about 24 hours to burn I'd make a list of coordinators that went on to be great head coaches with the first team that hired them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobisimo Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I realize the post I made makes more sense in another thread, so I'm a move it. Sorry! To say something on point: I dislike re-treads. But going after an up-and-comer is such a gamble. I don't want another Zorn, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Does David Shaw have any NFL experience? Why would he step in and command the locker room's respect? I dont see how we have the linemen to run the Stanford offense. Seems like our talent would be better suited to run a more spread look to thin the defense out and give Griffin more quicker, easier looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Add the Baylor HC to the list DC. No route tree in Briles scheme? Like the IS in Kyle's? Seriously. Art and Robert together again has the potential to be devastating. Hail. I'd be all for it. Give him a strong defensive coordinator, and let him and Robert work on O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theTruthTeller Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I see only two possible scenarios for the end of this season: a) RG3 develops into a decent pocket passer b. RG3 does not develop into a decent pocket passer If (a) occurs, there would be no reason not to continue with Shanahan. If b. occurs, we can forget bringing in a legitimate coaching prospect. If Shanahan is fired, that would mean that no coach this century was given the opportunity use his full term to re-form the team. No one with other options is going to want to take over a team with a win immediately philosophy, when any impartial evaluation of the roster shows that there is an immediate need for three OLs, at least one WR, a middle linebacker and 2-3 DBs, depending upon whether Hall comes back. It can't be done in one year. Any up and coming coach is going to think "if they fired Mike Shanahan the year after he made the playoffs, what chance do I have?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drowland Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Does David Shaw have any NFL experience? Why would he step in and command the locker room's respect? I dont see how we have the linemen to run the Stanford offense. Seems like our talent would be better suited to run a more spread look to thin the defense out and give Griffin more quicker, easier looks. Yes he was an assistant for 9 years in the NFL. Baltimore was the last NFL team he was with. Shaw, Pep Hamilton, Bill O'Brien. I'd take any one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Yes he was an assistant for 9 years in the NFL. Baltimore was the last NFL team he was with. Shaw, Pep Hamilton, Bill O'Brien. I'd take any one of them. Thanks. Didn't know what his pedigree was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I agree that a GM should come first. I also like the idea of David Shaw. And it won't be popular, but Josh McDaniels. His problems in Denver were in trying to be the GM, not coaching problems. I also would bet that, like Bellichick, he has learned a lot from that experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matugi Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Add the Baylor HC to the list DC. No route tree in Briles scheme? Like there IS in Kyle's? Seriously. Art and Robert together again has the potential to be devastating. Hail. This is my dream hire. People think that Briles is like Chip Kelly but I see a lot of more pro-style concepts in his offense, especially when it comes to high-low route combinations. I'd definitely take a gamble on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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