SemperFi Skins Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 He's been great for blocking and seems to be a pretty decent catcher out of the backfield. Why are we not utilizing him more in the game. I'd love to see more screen plays with Young out of the backfield like the one below. I understand we've been pretty much out of the games from the beginning so far, but it'd be nice to involve this young man a lot more than just blocking... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLzrMB8i5fs Or at least in the red zone since our troubles down there seem to exist every year. Look at this play below... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxLkmcGfotU And as posted by Hogs Haven... The Underrated Weapon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC027aKvn8I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Being under utilized, as usual. I think he's only been in on 25% or so of the snaps since he's been here. Another reason I'd trade Davis before the deadline, if there is another injury this kid should be able to step in. Anyone who says he can't obviously didn't see the seam route he caught from Robert during the Ravens game last year. That was a beautiful play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 The running game itself has been under-utilized because in 2 of the 3 games the team has been down by multiple possessions in the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted September 25, 2013 Author Share Posted September 25, 2013 Being under utilized, as usual. I think he's only been in on 25% or so of the snaps since he's been here. Another reason I'd trade Davis before the deadline, if there is another injury this kid should be able to step in. Anyone who says he can't obviously didn't see the seam route he caught from Robert during the Ravens game last year. That was a beautiful play. Exactly. The kid can do it all... He disguises the block and then goes on noticed as the top comes off the defense... Good hands, solid ball skills, hard hitter (considering he's a converted linebacker) The running game itself has been under-utilized because in 2 of the 3 games the team has been down by multiple possessions in the 2nd half. As I stated in the OP, but we've also been going down so early because of our quick 3-and-outs but I think utilizing DY more may prevent these quick 3-and-outs and being down so early in the game. If anything, he's the perfect check down in addition to the TE's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I was wondering the same just yesterday. Even in a run heavy first half, he doesn't seem to get many reps / touches. FB up the gut once a game appears a thing of the past. I think Kyle thinks WR is the strength of his offense. I think the running backs may have something to say about that. But Young and Helu just don't get the touches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 He's been laying some blocks, and his pass protection has been OK. Griffin threw it to him once vs the Packers as i recall, and he straight dropped a ball that hit his hands. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 It's just another reason in a long list of reasons that Shanny should be receiving more heat and not just the way he's handled RGIII. He's done a poor job getting this team ready for gameday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 He's been laying some blocks, and his pass protection has been OK. Griffin threw it to him once vs the Packers as i recall, and he straight dropped a ball that hit his hands. ~Bang That was against the Eagles right before the pitch out safety. Catch needs to be made but it was inaccurate and late. Almost like DY was leaning to run up the field a little further right as Griffin threw it. This dude is a YAC machine because he is physical. Helu is a YAC machine because he is fast. That needs to be more prevelant in this offense going forward. Especially against a Tampa 2 team after the bye. MannyPPI has been hinting about this on twitter this morning. I was wondering the same just yesterday. Even in a run heavy first half, he doesn't seem to get many reps / touches. FB up the gut once a game appears a thing of the past. I think Kyle thinks WR is the strength of his offense. I think the running backs may have something to say about that. But Young and Helu just don't get the touches. Beat me to it Randy and I totally agree. Young is the perfect guy to leak out into the flat on a play action pass. I mean... Spider 2 Y bannana anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWrZhRfouVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted September 25, 2013 Author Share Posted September 25, 2013 This dude is a YAC machine because he is physical. Helu is a YAC machine because he is fast. That needs to be more prevelant in this offense going forward. Especially against a Tampa 2 team after the bye. MannyPPI has been hinting about this on twitter this morning. What's the word? He thinks we may start utilizing DY and Helu more often? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 As I stated in the OP, but we've also been going down so early because of our quick 3-and-outs but I think utilizing DY more may prevent these quick 3-and-outs and being down so early in the game. If anything, he's the perfect check down in addition to the TE's Cooley mentioned this earlier in the week on his radio program with Czaban and Galdi. He said that last year, the Pistol formations we ran were much more heavy personnel wise, like DY and Logan on either side of 10 in the diamond with 46 in the back and then Morgan or Garcon as the lone WR. The TEs could all catch passes, except 84 every now and then. But it was a much more run friendly personnel package and force the defense to be creative. You come out with too many DBs and we will run it down your throat... too many LBs and your going to see Rob PA and go on that quick post route. This year the personnel groupings are much more WR based. Hank and Morgan are almost always out there as is Garcon. Just an interesting tid bit that I really didn't pick up on. I've been so tied up in the execution--- or lack there of. What's the word? He thinks we may start utilizing DY and Helu more often? He just says that in his film review Helu is wide open as a checkdown option more often than not and Rob's not giving it to him. I appreciate Rob's deep to short vision... Lord knows we waited for Campbell to develop that... but mix it in there every now and again, bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I am digging the Green Right Slot Y2 Spy Banana. Number 36 is always open. You won't go broke taking a profit. Positive Momentum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 IF the Skins had a first round pick I would say maybe Shanny is tanking this year for next. I wonder if RGIII and the plan includes letting what happens this year happen and then moving on with the Plan being next year? Pretty much have no idea and grasping at straws at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins Wingman Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Cooley mentioned this earlier in the week on his radio program with Czaban and Galdi. He said that last year, the Pistol formations we ran were much more heavy personnel wise, like DY and Logan on either side of 10 in the diamond with 46 in the back and then Morgan or Garcon as the lone WR. The TEs could all catch passes, except 84 every now and then. But it was a much more run friendly personnel package and force the defense to be creative. You come out with too many DBs and we will run it down your throat... too many LBs and your going to see Rob PA and go on that quick post route. This year the personnel groupings are much more WR based. Hank and Morgan are almost always out there as is Garcon. not trying to derail this thread but i think this is one of the problems this year. Last year we said, when fred davis is healthy next year, when helu is healthy next year, orakpo, etc., but we were winning without them. Now they all come back and we aren't doing squat. Maybe we need to step back and see maybe we won last year because those players are better than our starters? Maybe we are a better team with paulsen at TE instead of davis. And maybe we are better with jackson at LB instead of orakpo. Skill wise, they are better players, but are they a better FIT for the team. Its something the coaches should think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC9 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 not trying to derail this thread but i think this is one of the problems this year. Last year we said, when fred davis is healthy next year, when helu is healthy next year, orakpo, etc., but we were winning without them. Now they all come back and we aren't doing squat. Maybe we need to step back and see maybe we won last year because those players are better than our starters? Maybe we are a better team with paulsen at TE instead of davis. And maybe we are better with jackson at LB instead of orakpo. Skill wise, they are better players, but are they a better FIT for the team. Its something the coaches should think about. I think Davis is being phased out by Reed as we speak. Helu really hasn't seen the ball a whole lot. Once off the top of my head maybe? That post was more of a comment to Randy saying that maybe Kyle thinks that WR's are the strength of our team and I think it's interesting that Randy made that point and Cooley made the same point yesterday. Certainly that personnel package is lethal if you have TEs and FBs who can block AND catch. We've seen as much out of the Patriots, too. We just ran our own version last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 I feel like no team uses their fullback enough. Remember in 2005 when Mike Sellers had like 45 touchdowns, all from the same play? Why did we ever abandon that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 He's been great for blocking and seems to be a pretty decent catcher out of the backfield. I think he soooooooooo under utilized as a pass catcher ... if you notice, he also has a lot of shake and bake after the catch also, he can get you yards. Great call ... I would love to see him split out more and even get more carries out of the FB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 .... That post was more of a comment to Randy s.... I sure hope i said it first! Its kind of Cool if so. I suspect he and other members of the media peruse this website, as I would if I was paid to discuss the team. To gather new thoughts and ideas for the show; seek out new perspectives. I am intrigued by the idea of Reed and Davis in together, along with Garcon. If teams are not going to respect our WRs and press/jam, I want to get the big boys out there a few times a game. Back to Young, you know whats great about working the FB in space, he is a load and makes those DBs pay. I used to love the Sellers hurdle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted September 25, 2013 Share Posted September 25, 2013 Id love to see us get back to our power game. Mike is more of a power coach and Kyle is the high flyer. I can see sr pulling the reigns on his boy very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Ask the genius OC everyone raves about. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mi6 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 The Skins are missing playmaker on defense. Yes, we have Ryan Kerrigan ... and, at times Brian Orakpo creating QB pressure. D'Hall is a ball hawk. But, not one else stands out. It's painful to see London Fletcher struggle in coverage. The safeties are non existent. Can't wait for Rob Jackson to join the team after his suspension. Daryl Young is way under utilized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinny21 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Young and Paulsen are both guys that bring that consistency we've lacked this year. Granted, it's hard to blame the wide receivers for poorly placed passes, but these two guys present tough match ups and are far more well rounded than Robinson or Moss (though I love Moss). I'd include Hankerson (based on last year), but at least he gets praise for blocking and route running (and his focus, or whatever, appears improved). I've always loved DY and have always thought his catching and YAC skills were under used. Garçon, Hankerson, Paulsen and DY would be a great combination to keep teams off balance. Hankerson might not get the YAC of the others, but he'll move the chains for you. Run a ton of PA with those guys and then pound the rock when things loosen up. In a broader sense, I think Kyle understands he needs to get the passing game going in a big way to change the fronts we're seeing and that our line is far better at run blocking. Think we saw it vs Detroit and I think we'll see more of it until defenses start respecting the pass more. Or maybe I'm just talking outta my rear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFi Skins Posted September 26, 2013 Author Share Posted September 26, 2013 When in the game, he's almost always unaccounted for because the D would have to force a linebacker on him. If we utilized him more, maybe we'd actually convert on 3rd and long... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 The way teams slide their backs out during our blitzes, I never see us do the same. Their guys are wide open in the times we try. Our backs Young included, are likely relegated to supporting our OL, versus being the hot route. But it seems a way to get Young the ball in a little space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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