ExtremeSkins Staff Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Sliding vs. diving, giving yourself up before contact and "the ground cannot cause a fumble" all play a role in a pivotal fumble that changed the course of Sunday's game. View the full article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goskins10 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Not sure why there is any confusion here. Once he runs he is just like any other runner unless he slides feet first. If he dives for extra yardage, even if he is giving himself up, the defended has the right to keep his progress from going forward. As such it makes the ball live unless the runner is contacted on the way down so if let's it go, even if the ground causes it, it's a fumble. Also, many people are upset about the AR TD reversal. The rule is pretty clear. You must complete the play for it to stand. This is true anywhere on the field. He came to the ground and the ball clearly was loose. That will be called every time. I don't agree with the rule. but it's pretty clear and the refs go both calls right. What we need to be upset about is why RGIII can't get it through his thick skull to slide feet first!! He has all kinds of protection that way. Why risk it!! Not to mention it's much easier to get a knee to the head or maybe a bad hit to the leg (see Ravens game last year) going head first! It's much more dangerous. We also need to be upset that A Robinson cannot hold on to a pass laid in his arms in perfect stride. He is paid to catch the ball and he didn't! We beat ourselves today! Period! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hailyeah1 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Now the confusion is, why 2 articles on the same subject ?LOL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Linkins Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 It is clear to me that RG3 is not NFL ready yet. He does not have the speed or quickness of last year. His body is getting to far in front of his legs and he his "rounding" his cuts when running. These are all tell tale signs of weak or dead legs that you sometimes see in training camp. IMO this has caused him to move backwards in his QB development, we have seen happy feet, following one receiver to long, turning his head and not his body on making reads, and breaking rules like throwing late over the middle. Add to that not planting the back foot and little follow though on pass plays and you have a QB who is playing like a un-sure rookie. While his :ALL IN FOR GAME ONE" was great for marketing the RG3 brand, it was very bad for his team this year. IMO this will set him back half a season in development and we will not see the real RG3 until early Nov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsman81 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Does the knee brace make it hard for him to slide feet first? I wonder.. Otherwise this was just a foolish mistake. It epitomizes our season, thus far.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Linkins Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Do not get me wrong, I am not blaming the brace at all. That fumble was a rookie mistake by a 2nd year guy who should have also known the rules! Also, the INT was another mistake I would hope not to see this year. Like I said, RG3 has taken a step back from where he was in his development and THAT is cause for BIG concerns. How many young QB's over the years gain Bad habits that can never bad because they were the hope of a down team. The message seems to be we are giving up the 1st half of the season so RG3 can play his legs into shape, and that is something I disagree with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskinsfootball4all Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 And yet we wait all year for this.Still time to turn it around.HTTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdhawk4skins Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball after he touches the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete. The Lions suffered and even worst call than the Robinson no catch back in 2010 which I'm sure some recall... http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/9/13/1685668/why-the-nfls-rule-referees The contradtion of this rule above is astonishing since it goes against the other NFL rule that once you cross that goal line with the ball in control it is normally called a touch down except if the ground causes the fumble? It is utterly nonsense how the NFL contriadicts themselves with this ruling when it comes to applying it in the end zone. Btw - I missed the game so I can only go by the replays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hailyeah1 Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 The Lions suffered and even worst call than the Robinson no catch back in 2010 which I'm sure some recall... http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2010/9/13/1685668/why-the-nfls-rule-referees The contradtion of this rule above is astonishing since it goes against the other NFL rule that once you cross that goal line with the ball in control it is normally called a touch down except if the ground causes the fumble? It is utterly nonsense how the NFL contriadicts themselves with this ruling when it comes to applying it in the end zone. Btw - I missed the game so I can only go by the replays. well according to item three touchdown washington redskins according to item1 incomplete what the .... now we have to depend on what kind of mood the ref is in what he sees where we are playing to get the right call and also the replay camera catching it right . most of these plays are split second and the cameras most of the time don't show the whole view. and don't get me started on Griffins head first slide another ....... play!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Why did you leave (e) out of the rule-book section? "(e) when a runner is out of bounds, or declares himself down by falling to the ground, or kneeling, and making no effort to advance" Sliding only affords the QB that extra protection and ends the play where he began to slide. ANY player may end the play by going to the ground and giving himself up and not attempting to advance the ball. You see it every time a DB makes a game-icing INT and just lays down on it. Or see the Victor Cruz play against the Cardinals last year (http://tinyurl.com/klsdm2e). He goes to the ground untouched, drops the ball, but it's ruled a non-fumble because he was intentionally giving himself up and not attempting to advance. Griffin should've slid, but he didn't have to slide. He was clearly giving himself up to end the play and the ball should've been dead when he did, just like it was on the Cruz play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadianfanforlife Posted September 24, 2013 Share Posted September 24, 2013 Who gives a ....? We lost. Why don't we focus on how to fix whats broken? HTTR!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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