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Secondary.....defending the pass.

 

More pressure on QB will help. A healthy (and motivated) Orakpo should help. It was interesting to see that Kerrigan lined up at DE with the rookie (Jenkins) at OLB on the play Kerrigan got a sack. If we can get better pressure on the QB rushing 4 the the secondary should be better.

 

Need better play from FS. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Rambo will be ready but was not too impressed with his first game.

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Good topic DG.

 

I'm going to go big picture here.

 

Though not directly related in the sense of the scheme or the style/overall goal of the defense, this defense reminds me a lot of the traditional Cover 2 Colts defenses (just at one glance).

 

Minuses

- We aren't going to be great against the run

--- meaning we won't play well from behind

- We aren't going to be great against the short passes unless we tackle better (that will hopefully come with reps and as the pre-season matures)

- We aren't going to be great in close games

- We aren't going to be great in between the 20's (see above, if we are up by two or three we are very likely to yeild a field goal).

 

 

Pluses

- It is IMPARITIVE that we get a lead with this style of defense, if we get a lead, it allows us to

-- Rush the passer, which we have the talent to do in bunches

-- force turnovers with the ball hawks in the back 7

-- and we should be pretty good in the red zone if the tackling improves

 

This team is built to get a lead and blitz the snot out of the opposing offense.  It's a major plus if our run defense improves (and I think it will) but I don't see that happening until week 6 or 7 with all of the suspension and the moving pieces on this defense during that time.

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The DC. 

 

The D-Front. (Little to no push, although unlike DC I think we'll be stout again against the run. We're solid at containment.). (This also brings about my biggest individual player concern- Jarvis Jenkins. Be it the ACL or not, he's not progressed like he should of and he's showing no signs of getting that strength back he had in college if last Thursday is any indication.). 

 

The secondary. Speaks for itself. Improved in personnel no question. But will that personnel asymilate to the pro game quick enough to be a significant factor this year? Merriweather's health, or lack there of, is a MAJOR key to the back-end. And I don't foresee good news there in his/ our future. 

 

The LB's. Both in terms of ILB depth and OLB coverage. Jenkins and Orakpo are outside edge rush specialists. Neither are worth much of a damn in coverage. Which is pretty imperative in this scheme and even more so if the rooks are playing at safety. And if Fletch, Heaven forbid, goes down ..... Barnett better have enough left in the tank. 

 

Fundamentals. Like proper tackling and wrapping guys up. Which brings me back to .....

 

The DC. (I'll spare going into a rant on him again and hope he finally proves me wrong.). 

 

 

Does it show I'm pretty concerned about the D? I can see them putting great pressure on 10 and the O yet again to build big leads and keep scoring/ the team out in front. 

 

Hail. 

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I love that our guys were aggressive.  The issue with that is what I saw against the zbs last week.  We attacked the run, but were slow to close down the back side.  Having watched quite a few of the games (thank you NFL preseason!) most of the defenses are struggling in various ways so far this preseason - I'm not too concerned.

 

On the long CJ run, we completely stopped the progression of his reads.  Only when he cut back (where Orakpo should have been), there was an open barn door.  Rambo had absolutely zero chance to stop him.

 

Tackling, perfecting assignments, and continue to be aggressive are things I want to see.

 

Hail.

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The biggest concern for me is the learning curve of the rookies in the secondary. They need to learn from their mistakes faster than your normal rookie, because there is a good chance they're playing a major role throughout the season. I'm not too upset that they made mistakes in the first game. If they continue to make those mistakes though through games 2, 3, and 4, it will become an issue.

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I'm worried about our DL in both interior push/penetration and run defense.

 

The DL generated very little pass rush/interior push last year and its going to be even weaker without Jarvis Jenkins the 1st 4 weeks.

 

I think the DL is vastly over rated in terms of run defense which again will be hurt by not having Jenkins early.



There are so many concerns on this unit, but a glaring one that doesn't seemed to be getting talked about much is lack of depth at ILB. We are an injury away from some serious problems at this position.

I hear yah. I had high hopes for Keenan Robinson but he gone.

I'm waiting for Kehl or Muckelroy to pop in preseason but right now I'm underwhelmed.

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The problems start and stop with the DC Jim Haslett. His overrated skills as an DC is amazing. His defenses are always in the mid to bottom of the barrel rankings. His defenses give up too many big plays and way too much yardage all in favor for more turnovers. They also give up over 20+ pts per game. He doesn't do a good job at adjustments and always has the "deer in the headlights" look when he is overmatched in the game of chess match. They gave up 95 3rd down conversions last year which was tied for last with the Vikings. Third and long seems like an easy conversion for most teams against this defense. Look at the last preseason game and you will see it. It is poor tackling and being out of position. That is the lack of discipline that reflects the DC's lack of teaching technique. Cornerbacks play 10 yards off the line of scrimmage and still get beat by guys like Victor Cruz.

 

The DL gets no penetration and never shed blocks to make a defensive stop. Look at Pittsburg and they run the same D this team does but they are always in the top ten of defenses and most of the time in the top 5. It is all about technique and sure tackling. It is lack of discipline and playing prevent defense most of the game that gets this defense in trouble. Occassionally they bring the house and get to the QB but when they actually need to do it they play soft, prevent D which never works. The Giants, Pittsburg, Baltimore, Chicago, and Seattle's defenses are always good because they have discipline and they have good DC's. Until they actually get a good DC and learn discipline and how to tackle they will always be ranked low.

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I'm worried about Orakpo's ability at LB aside from rushing the passer.

 

He isn't good at containing mobile QB's or containing his end on runs (Chris Johnson run is a recent example.. plenty others in 2009-11).

 

He isn't great in coverage either. 

 

Obviously I'm not saying, "Brian Orakpo is our biggest concern on defense." 

 

But it is a concern of mine. 

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Getting off the field on third and longer than 10 yards. We let up too many first downs on third and long last year and I believe the Titans converted a third and 18 or 16 on us.

 

Yeah.  Two years ago was worse with the Cowboys doing it with basically the same play to the same receiver against the same coverage at the same point in the game.

 

It got a touch better last year, but I agree.  We need to get off the field in off-schedule 3rd downs where the opponent is behind the chains like that.  There is no excuse.

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I'm worried about Orakpo's ability at LB aside from rushing the passer.

 

He isn't good at containing mobile QB's or containing his end on runs (Chris Johnson run is a recent example.. plenty others in 2009-11).

 

He isn't great in coverage either. 

 

Obviously I'm not saying, "Brian Orakpo is our biggest concern on defense." 

 

But it is a concern of mine. 

 

I see where you're coming from, but disagree. He had two sacks against Vick in the game against the Eagles 2 years ago, his last action against a mobile QB, and in the Saints game last year, he had two or three pass breakups. Not a world beater, but light years ahead of where he was when we drafted him.

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Biggest concern on defense is inside linebacker depth and the secondary. Skins have invested in a young secondary, so hopefully the team will realize a sizeable ROI (as in, the secondary is fixed) with that strategy.

 

 Oh, and Haslett's scheme, but that's not going away anytime soon, so that concern is here to stay. The biggest surprise of last year was the extension of Haslett. Too many 3rd and longs given up and many times he puts the defense in such a position that even lowly me can correctly guess how the offense is going to beat it and subsequently did beat it. And I'm just a stud couch quarterback.

 

FFS, I will go mental if I see another "Zero Blitz" on 3rd and 10+!!!!!

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First, I do not have a big concern about our defense.  It is not because I think we will have an elite defense; it is because I think our offense will be so potent that opposing offenses will be playing catch up most of the time.  I suggest we saw the beginning of that last season and won games even though our defense was not all that good.

 

I always begin with last seasons performance -

Too many big plays, long pass plays, safeties getting beat.  I have high hope for major improvement because of Brandon Meriweather return and the two draft picks.  Of course this a big if, if Meriweather is healthy and back in form and if the two draft picks can learn quickly and contribute.  Overall I am hopeful pass defense will be much improved.  Saying it another way, my biggest concern is the rookies have trouble and our pass defense is porous again.

 

Not enough pressure on the QB (contributed to the long pass play situation).  The injury of Orakpo hurt out pass rush and his return should help a lot.  I also hope Brandon Jenkins return will prove to make for a better pass rush.

 

On the run defense, I still believe in London Fletcher.  He is a tackling machine; but will he still have the speed to cover the field?

 

In summary I hope our run defense is as good as last year and our pass defense is significantly improved.  I am more hopeful than concerned.  In my opinion the injuries to Orakpo and Meriweather really hurt our defense last season and having them back causes me to be hopeful that we will be better this season.

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Pass rush.  it looks like with the potential emergence of Amerson and Minnifield and Biggers has apparently looked good at camp, so our secondary might be OK.  

 

Golston and Jenkins haven't proven to be able to put much pressure.  They are more run stuffers. Orakpo seems to disappear in too many division games.  He complains that he's double teamed as if other pass rushers like Ware, Matthews, etc aren't double teamed.  Elite pass rushers are double teamed but they get double digit sacks anyway.  Orakpo is good, and when he talks to the media he will tell them he's great, but to me he doesn't rise to the occasion enough and make enough game changing plays.  Kerrigan arguably makes more game changing plays but like Orakpo, he's inconsistent and can disappear in games including the playoff game against Seattle.  I recall keying in on Kerrigan when we played against Sean Locklear (mediocre player at best here) in the Giants game, and Locklear for the most part handled him with ease. 

 

So in short, we are likely going to get little to no pressure from one of our two DEs, and then we got two good, but in my opinion no great pass rusher and they are both IMO inconsistent and can be shut down by a good tackle.   I recall as good as Chris Samuels was, he could be beat by Ware.  I don't get that same vibe about these guys.  I recall on the 980 preseason pregame, I believe it was Rich Campbell who said that Orkapo looked to him ok but nothing special in camp, but excusing it by saying he rarely gets the better part of Trent Williams, and few do.    

 

And I do like Orkapo and Kerrigan, but IMO neither are elite level and their inconsistency can lead to games where the pressure is just not there.     

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Not to be a downer but from what I've seen

 

TD - Chris Johnson 58 Yd Run
TD - Shonn Greene 19 Yd Run

 

Titans
25 Rushes
Yards per rush 5.0

 

That bothered me alot.  The post by DC9 was excellent and I can see all of that happening. The offense doesn't bother me, the Defense minus the pressures by Kerrigan and Orakpo left a bad impression. This week I'm worried that Le'veon Bell's draft stock skyrockets and he becomes a household name. Someone tell me that I'm worrying about nothing please

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Secondary.....defending the pass.

 

More pressure on QB will help. A healthy (and motivated) Orakpo should help. It was interesting to see that Kerrigan lined up at DE with the rookie (Jenkins) at OLB on the play Kerrigan got a sack. If we can get better pressure on the QB rushing 4 the the secondary should be better.

 

Need better play from FS. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Rambo will be ready but was not too impressed with his first game.

 

 

The obvious choice.  The secondary.  I echo that.  I'd definitely like to see some better play from the secondary this year.  I'm looking forward to Amerson hopefully winning a starting job and making plays back there with his wing span.

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Play calling. 

 

Is Haslet going to wait until we are about to miss the playoffs to start pressuring the QB, like last year?  I am still miffed about why he waited until the bye week to finally try to pressure a rookie QB. This spanned several years and a horrid 0-8 record against rooks. 

 

Even with Madieu at FS we competed because he dialed up the pressure on QB's. 

 

In fact, I think a questionable secondary mandates pressure on the QB. Our strength is likely to be at pass rushing end. We have 4 horses to get after the QB and if we don't,  not much else matters. No DB can cover indefinitely. 

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Initial thought was the young DBs, but on reflection I think over the season we'll be fine. This is because of a. Ra Morris is coaching them and I think he's a good DB coach, and  b. we'll be scoring enough points to cover the odd rookie mistakes that cost TDs.

 

I'll echo our DC as my biggest concern. I want a guy who wins the scheme/gameplan/playcall portion of the game, to go with our talented Defensive roster.

 

Our D doesn't need to excel, just be good enough at both to stop other teams scoring as fast as us (likely passing) or trying to play a time of possession game (likely running). I think our front 5 gives us good pass rush and solid run D in our center field behind Jenkins (when back) and Bowen, plus Baker is looking promising. Perry Riley gives us a stand out in a weakened group of ILBs but our DBs have gone from a group that overall might (and did) make a mistake that costs points to a group that might make a mistake but almost to a man they also might get a TO, and as most of them are very young should improve too.

 

Must admit I wouldn't mind a good draft pick or 2 spent on the DL over the next year or two. DL depth is rotation if they're any good so it's a position group that you actually benefit from being stacked every Sunday, not just when injuries happen.

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Defense is a concern full stop for me. Stopping the run, depth at ILB, depth at DE while Jenkins is suspended, safety play (starting a rookie 6th round pick at FS and can Merriweather get/stay healthy at SS) and how do the the young corners play. About the one thing I think we will be good at is pass rush.

We are going to have to be aggressive on play calling IMO to paper over some of the cracks and that gives the potential for making big plays and giving up big plays. Playing with a lead would certainly help!

However my biggest concern on defense is can we create enough turnovers to get off the field enough times to reduce the number of offensive possessions for the other team and create field position for the offense. I think we need to be good in this area to make up for some of the things we could give up - I just don't think we will be very good on defense this year, but hopefully better than last year.

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