Die Hard Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 The RB-by-committee approach has met with some mixed results. However, I just had a thought. Considering the lack of blocking skills either of those players have... what is the liklihood of both of them being on the team next year? You have to figure they'll attempt to get a better blocking back. But do they go after a pure blocking back or someone who also has the ability to be a featured back? I think if Spurrier wants to do it right... he'll have to get a good blocker who also does have the ability to make a play. Apparently the scat back formations aren't effective. It's just not a legitimate and consistent running option. And that's why defenses just aren't respecting the run with Morton in the game. So who goes? Betts, the former 2nd round pick, or Canidate who we just traded a 4th round pick for? Any alternatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I would let Betts be the starter. Candidate is more of a big play threat, but I like Betts ability to get the tough yards better. He seems to be a better receiver out of the back field too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Symbol Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 try teaching them to block. I think Betts can be a great back, if given the chance. Unfortunately, not in the system he's in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted October 13, 2003 Author Share Posted October 13, 2003 So what both of you are saying.... both of you are still holding out hope that Betts and Canidate are going to develop into better and more effective blockers? Perhaps I wasn't as specific as I intended to be. Here goes Part Deux: If you had to choose between Betts and Canidate who would be cut by next offseason... who would you keep? Further, taking that into consideration, do you then find a RB to be the full-time player - who is a very good blocker and decent runner - and then have Betts or Canidate spell him... OR do you keep either Betts or Canidate as the featured RB and have another specialty RB who's role is basically as a blocking back on pass plays? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Me personally, I think Betts can be a full time player. I think RB's take a year or 2 to develop. Look at Rickey Williams. I'm not saying Betts can be a Rickey Williams, but I think he will improve greatly as he learns the blocking assignments and so on. Stephen Davis was beat out by Skip Hicks at one point and was resigned to be a full back just so he could get on the field. I don't think that many RB's just step in and set the league on fire. I also firmly belive that an average RB can be made better by O Line play and/or QB play. (Denver Broncos). I don't think you have to have a superstar, I think you just need a talented guy that's unselfish, willing to do what ever the team needs and won't complain and is a hard worker... Betts fits the bill. At this point, I'd rather have Betts and Watson over Betts and Candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Good post Diehard. I'd have to say to this point that I'm not thrilled with Canidate. Sure.... he busts a 12-15 yarder about every game... but where is the homerun we so desperately need from outside the redzone? I think his style of hesitating and pitter-pattering to the hole is a disadvantage to the OL. He either hits the gaping hole or picks his way here and there for a short gain. Betts hits the hole harder, but he also seems to have lost some of the elusiveness he showed last year. He gets through the line o.k. and into the secondary..... then gets hammered by forward moving LBs and DBs. Where is the home run hitter? The guy who hits the hole hard and then takes the perfect angle to avoid the rest of the secondary with a small seam. I thought Canidate was that back..... but I've seen little evidence of it to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba9497 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 The main reason Betts isn't starting is because he can't or won't block. Canidate ain't great but he attempts to block, and picks up the right man. I like Betts a great deal, but several plays yesterday he looked like a matador letting the bull pass him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OURYEAR#56 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 What about Cartwright or Johnson, just somebody to block when we playaction pass. JESUS CHRIST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins19 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I would keep Betts because I prefer the big bruising back but if he won't block then he needs to go and we need someone who is willing to do what is asked of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC4 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Well, I just psoted some news from KFFL in another thread: http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37689 It had this about Betts: Redskins | Betts Dinged - from www.KFFL.com Mon, 13 Oct 2003 07:52:35 -0700 Mark Maske, of the Washington Post, reports Washington Redskins RB Ladell Betts (ankle) suffered a twisted ankle during Sunday's, Oct. 12, game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Betts, however, returned to the game and could be the featured back in this week's game against the Buffalo Bills if RB Trung Canidate (ankle) is unable to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Betts should be learning how to block all week in practice, screw the running game... The 84 Dolphins couldn't run the ball worth a damn but Marino was only sacked 13 times the whole year, IF Ramsey had the time Marino did AND made quicker decisions like Marino, who would need to run the ball. Ramsey has the tools to light up the passing game, once the bugs are worked out, the RB's will begin breaking some big runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberknockerSkinsFan Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Where's the Home-Run hitter? The guy who hits the hole hard and then takes the perfect angle to avoid the rest of the secondary with a small seam. He plays for Carolina, and I think his name is Stephen Davis. And guess what....... He's catching passes now!!!!!! Sorry, I'm still P.O.'d for letting him go. But then there would be no L.C. ........ So I'm torn....... HAIL TO THE REDSKINS HAIL VICTORY :notworthy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Canidate is a better back, and I think he always will be, though Betts is a good back and can do some great things, Canidate is just better in my opinion, tough yards or not tough yards doesnt matter what matters is Trung is getting the yards and more of them per carry. Also when we have given it to Canidate on 3rd and 2 or 3rd and 1 he has gotten it every single time, I cant say the same for Betts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I'm not a great believer in running back by committee, and I think very few teams have been really successful with this approach. Usually it is done because teams don't feel they have a quality back that can take the pounding for a full 16 game schedule. Canidate at the moment is a better back then Betts, averaging 5.0 yards a carry. He moves the chains better, it is as simple as that. If Betts doesn't get his average over 4.0 yards per carry -- its been dropping and is now around 3.5 -- the Skins will eventually start looking for his replacement, especially if his blocking doesn't improve. The Skins have depth at RB and don't need more RB's, they just need Betts, McCullough and Canidate to improve their pass blocking which will come with experience. Or Spurrier needs to change the schemes. Why isn't the FB Cartwright in there pass protecting for Ramsey in a two back scheme. I mean Spurrier doesn't run or throw to the fullbacks much anyway, so isn't that what 230-240 lb. fullbacks are for? Marshall Faulk is not a particularly big back, but I don't see anyone suggesting the Rams should dump him because he can't pass block for the QB. But in the past the Rams used a blocking FB for this purpose in the backfield along with Faulk. The drawback is when you remove your FB or RB to go to 3 and 4 WR sets, this leaves your QB vulnerable to hits. But Spurrier insists on running his Fun n' Gun and expects his QB's to stand in there and take the hits. Well the NFL aint Florida, and Ramsey aint gonna survive if this keeps up. Canidate and Betts should at least be able to improve to the level of Faulk as a blocker. It's not that they can't block, its more they don't "recognize" the blitz packages yet that the opposing defenses use. : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prophet Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 tg is the better back, and i wish they would throw it to him more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inmate running the asylum Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I questioned the wisdom of using the 186 lb. Morton as a 3rd down back last week, because he is not big enough to protect Ramsey when the defense blitzs 240 lb. linebackers. Then some Sanitation Engineer on the board here jumped all over me for bringing this up. Like Morton is the best thing on 3rd downs since the discovery of sliced bread. :laugh: Well I don't know if the Skin coaches learned anything yet, but I noticed Morton didn't play against the Bucs on 3rd down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I don't think the SS system necessarily teaches the backs to block - not yet anyway. I'd keep Betts. He's a younger and more powerful runner - teach him blocking skills and he should be OK. See how easy it is to say "he can't block" after going solo with Rice a few times - hell, not many people can block against that guy. Betts should be fine. Regardless, we won't know about Trung or Betts unless they get more touches, and the line blocks a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Why not let Rock be the featured back. Look at the statistics between him and Betts. He gets better the more carries he gets. JUST ONCE, I wish Double S and Jackson would allow him to show what he can do. His style is like Stephens........but he holds on to the ball. Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted October 13, 2003 Author Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by Blondie Why not let Rock be the featured back. Look at the statistics between him and Betts. He gets better the more carries he gets. JUST ONCE, I wish Double S and Jackson would allow him to show what he can do. His style is like Stephens........but he holds on to the ball. Blondie Personally, I wouldn't mind giving Rock a game or 2 as the featured runningback. At some point you have to see what you have there. And he's done everything he's been asked to do. It's worth a try for a couple of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy-the-Greek Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Sultan will get his chance to play vs. the Bills and will be the starter for the rest of the season. Betts and Candidate will be gone next year because all we need is Sultan and the Rock baby. Just there names alone sound too cool to be true. :laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest J Dawg Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I agree - let Rock run the rock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blondie Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I believe Sultan will get his chance. I DON'T agree that he will do so good that he will win the job. Blondie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roachman Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 McCullough and Rock combination is the answer. Let's give the young kid some carries this week. It would be good for Trung to sit this one out with the bye week coming. Same with the others that are banged up. Get three solid weeks of rest and treatment and come back strong for the critical part of the schedule. Every team we play is devistated with injuries so that doesn't spell a loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dayumnuttinleft Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 LOL, if you guys thought Trung and Betts missed blocks, put Sultan in and we will lose ramsey period... The kid is so far away from being ready that it's sick... But this all goes back to last year when everyone was screaming, why isn't betts playing when the fact was that Watson was the better blocking back of the two. As a matter of fact he was the better blockingf back of all the ones on the roster now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted October 14, 2003 Share Posted October 14, 2003 how bout putting dockery in at rb on passing plays to stand back there in front of ramsey and plug the holes? id try anything at this point... seriously tho, i like what ive seen from betts and id like to see him get a chance to shine. the way he hits the holes is very impressive. he has more of a burst than i originally thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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