abdcskins Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 ^ Saw that live. Very moving, particularly on Father's Day. You could tell how appreciative he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Do Itch Big Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 LeBron stepped out a plane wearing ultimate warrior shirt. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) LeBron stepped out a plane wearing ultimate warrior shirt. Lol  As he should...  This is SO stupid...but hilarious at the same time.   LMAOOOOOOOO!!! Edited June 20, 2016 by RonArtest15 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drtdrums Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) The Jazz were not a great team. Stockton and Malone went to the finals after all the really strong Western Conference teams got old and disbanded. They got to the finals because they lasted the longest.This is as close to objectively untrue as anything in a debate like this can be. Both the 97 and 98 Jazz had an ELO of around 1765 at their peak (ELO being 538's pet metric for exactly this type of discussion). For comparison, the Cavs have an ELO of 1759 as of today. The Warriors are at 1756 and peaked at 1839 on 12/11/15. The Bulls peaked at 1853, and both championships against the Jazz came with them around a 1790. Now, you can not like ELO, but at that point you're arguing against the most respected stats/data folks in the sports world. Not only did the Bulls play a team on level with these Warriors...they BEAT them, and did so in 6 games. Two years in a row. Edited June 20, 2016 by drtdrums Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonArtest15 Posted June 20, 2016 Author Share Posted June 20, 2016 what's elo? Craig?  But seriously...what's ELO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 what's elo? Craig?  But seriously...what's ELO?  ???  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I like the tweets now that the best part of the Cavs victory is that Skip Bayless, who built his career at ESPN by crushing Lebron at every turn, closes his career at ESPN by Lebron basically shutting him th **** up at last Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justice98 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) I'll admit I'm not all the way in on the advanced metrics in sports, but yeah, what the hell is ELO? Edited June 20, 2016 by justice98 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) This is as close to objectively untrue as anything in a debate like this can be. Both the 97 and 98 Jazz had an ELO of around 1765 at their peak (ELO being 538's pet metric for exactly this type of discussion). For comparison, the Cavs have an ELO of 1759 as of today. The Warriors are at 1756 and peaked at 1839 on 12/11/15. The Bulls peaked at 1853, and both championships against the Jazz came with them around a 1790. Now, you can not like ELO, but at that point you're arguing against the most respected stats/data folks in the sports world. Not only did the Bulls play a team on level with these Warriors...they BEAT them, and did so in 6 games. Two years in a row. Â At some level, this turns into where do you want to draw the line for great. Â Does anybody think the Mavs in the Nowitizki era were or have been an all time great team? Â Most people I know don't, and they have a max ELO of 1773 so surpassing the Jazz (and it wasn't the title team even). Â Dirk is great player, but in his tenure the Mavs as a team have not been great. Â 538 themselves seems the draw line at 1800: Â http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-nba-teams-of-all-time-according-to-elo/ Â And why are we comparing their peak and not to where they were when they actually played or the season long composite? Â I think if you look at 538, they normally use a season long composite and not just the beak or at one moment. Â Thought, that might help or hurt your argument that the Jazz were an all time great team. Edited June 20, 2016 by PeterMP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 what's elo? Craig?  But seriously...what's ELO?  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Yeah never heard of ELO, I'm intrigued Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chew Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 oh my god THE SAVEGERY Â Doc, look away. Â Â Â 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taco Bell Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 haha he's probably been saving that shirt up for so long 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Surprised he found a shirt like that that fit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TradeTheBeal! Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 I'm somewhat dissapointed in the lack "Crying Jordan" memes. Thought for sure we'd have 4 or 5 good ones posted by now. Let's step it up, ES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_Bleed_B&G Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Better yet, he is wearing a sippin Kermit hat. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 So Lebron was the first to lead a playoff series in points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks, and it was an NBA finals. Â Now, partly that is a function of his usage (he also lead in turnovers), but it still is an amazing feat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bozo the kKklown Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 This is as close to objectively untrue as anything in a debate like this can be. Both the 97 and 98 Jazz had an ELO of around 1765 at their peak (ELO being 538's pet metric for exactly this type of discussion). For comparison, the Cavs have an ELO of 1759 as of today. The Warriors are at 1756 and peaked at 1839 on 12/11/15. The Bulls peaked at 1853, and both championships against the Jazz came with them around a 1790. Now, you can not like ELO, but at that point you're arguing against the most respected stats/data folks in the sports world. Not only did the Bulls play a team on level with these Warriors...they BEAT them, and did so in 6 games. Two years in a row. The 2008/2009 Cavs had a higher ELO rating than the 96/97 Jazz.There are many more messes in that ranking too but maybe you should scrutinize the data more the get back to me. The Jazz were not a great team, they just hung around until the rest if the west got old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 My conclusion in the MJ vs. LeBron debate is that Lakers fans are ignorant and in denial about the fact that Kobe is a notch below both of the aforementioned players. It's nauseating to hear their bull****. LeBron passed Kobe a while ago and is only increasing the separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Lebron is the greatest player not named Jordan to ever play in the NBA. That's not anything to be upset about. He could surpass him too. It's closer than it's ever been for me. And That's all I've got to say about that. (Stone cold middle Fingers up) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Momma There Goes That Man Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) On the bright side, depending on what Durant does, I see no reason to think we won't get the rubber match next season. Hopefully this turns into our generations Lakers/Celtics with the contrasting styles and genuine dislike etc Cavs can ship off Love for some pieces that fit better and become a true force. Warriors can reshape their team as well and get better. Hopefully they cruise in the regular season and entire the playoffs hitting their stride Edited June 20, 2016 by Momma There Goes That Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Hopefully Curry will actually play like an MVP, that would've helped. Actually, in this case it would've been a mismatch for Golden State but he was so average at best, it evened the series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM72 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Have anyone else caught how several ESPN personalities are taking shots at Skip Bayless over LeBron now that he's leaving after tomorrow? They had MANY opportunities, why now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsfan1523 Posted June 20, 2016 Share Posted June 20, 2016 Have anyone else caught how several ESPN personalities are taking shots at Skip Bayless over LeBron now that he's leaving after tomorrow? They had MANY opportunities, why now? I was listening to the Russilo show, and they got into it. Talking about how skip can't take criticism, and it's easier to just leave him alone instead of dealing with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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