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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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Just now, PeterMP said:

It would be interesting to know what other options they had.

 

They didn't have to rush to deal him.  There was no real advantage for them to doing so.  They didn't even let his market develop, and this is because they essentially let Westbrook pick his destination.

 

There are so many teams with a bunch of young assets piling up that are trying to make the jump to playoff relevance with their young stars, and almost all of them need a point guard.  Plus you've got the Spurs, who have a ticking clock for other reasons.

 

Anyway, Steven Adams will be the next one to go.  He's an ideal fit for Boston.  Maybe they can get some young assets back that are actually worth the trouble.

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6 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

Its worth it just to to see Beal's explode when Westbrook passes up Harden, going for glory, then proceeds to throw up a Roaring '20s brick

 

Hardens beard will start talking to him, "you have to do something", " no, he's my friend"

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So Chris Paul complained that Harden didn't move without the ball and so the Rockets banished him to Siberia in exchange for the other superstar guard that refuses to move without the ball.  The universe is cruel. 

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18 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

Hardens beard will start talking to him, "you have to do something", " no, he's my friend"

 

Then he just blacks out, pulls some nunchuks out of it and starts swinging wildly.

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27 minutes ago, Mr. Sinister said:

 

Then he just blacks out, pulls some nunchuks out of it and starts swinging wildly.

I'm already disappointed because I'll likely be asleep when it happens.

 

This may sound crazy, but NBA has to recognize what's going on out west and resist the temptation to just let all those marquee games start at 10.  Start the Saturday night and Sunday afternoon games ASAP. I can't be the only person that'd rather watch basketball if my favorite football team isn't playing, typically no interest in TNF or MNF anymore.

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3 hours ago, Momma There Goes That Man said:

 

Hi, I see you must be a new around here 

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I think people are sleeping on that Rockets team. They have Harden, Westbrook, and Gordon... With Tucker and Capela. That's a tough-ass starting five to play against. If we can see that 2017 Harden, I think they can do some damage. They're a dangerous team...

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2 minutes ago, Fergasun said:

Insane butterfly effect of Durant's achilles and Klay'd knee.
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I think if the Warriors win, Kawhi would have went to the Lakers to try and get a ring...

Or maybe he does still in up with the Clippers because he REALLY doesn't like LeBron.

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4 hours ago, CrypticVillain said:

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I think people are sleeping on that Rockets team. They have Harden, Westbrook, and Gordon... With Tucker and Capela. That's a tough-ass starting five to play against. If we can see that 2017 Harden, I think they can do some damage. They're a dangerous team...

Dantoni is still the coach 

 

He sucks 

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I'd forgotten about Grayson Allen's existence until yesterday.  What a dirty ass player.  How has he not started a brawl that's gotten his ass kicked by now?

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8 hours ago, PeterMP said:

Maybe in a vacuum Westbrook is better than somebody like Beal, but I think Beal actually would have more demand so actually gets you more.

 

I think you're right.  But to me, that is a much bigger indictment of the irrationality of NBA markets than Westbrook's real value.  It shows how bad recency bias and groupthink are in NBA circles, mainly in the fan and media observers, but also with front offices as well.

 

I love Beal and will generally defend him, but Westbrook is so much better than him.  Beal's never made an All NBA team nor come close to winning an MVP.  Westbrook has made like 8 straight All NBA teams and won an MVP two years ago.  Even in a significant down year, Westbrook had a 5.6 VORP season.  Beal just had his best season as a pro and it was 3.7 VORPs.  5+ VORPs is a career season for the vast majority of the league.  For Westbrook, it was a crap season that tanked his Q Rating.

 

Westbrook is a true workhorse superstar who can get you to the postseason, if not carry you once you're there.  That is extremely valuable, as teams like Chicago, Minny, Phoenix, Sacramento, etc. should know.

 

Beal is a very good player who is a lot better than most of the highly touted trash perimeter players that have come into the NBA since 2012.  But he's no Westbrook.

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1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

Westbrook is a true workhorse superstar who can get you to the postseason, if not carry you once you're there.  That is extremely valuable, as teams like Chicago, Minny, Phoenix, Sacramento, etc. should know.

 

I'll argue the other side.

 

I'll even through Detroit and Miami into the list.  That's great, but if you are them does this trade actually even open a path to a championship.

 

Great now your a 4 seed and maybe you win a playoff round.  That's nice, but most NBA teams now are taking the attitude of they want a path to a championship, and I don't think for any of them this trade opens that up.

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6 hours ago, CrypticVillain said:

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I think people are sleeping on that Rockets team. They have Harden, Westbrook, and Gordon... With Tucker and Capela. That's a tough-ass starting five to play against. If we can see that 2017 Harden, I think they can do some damage. They're a dangerous team...

 

The starting 5 better be dangerous because that bench is pure garbage. 

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6 hours ago, CrypticVillain said:

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I think people are sleeping on that Rockets team. They have Harden, Westbrook, and Gordon... With Tucker and Capela. That's a tough-ass starting five to play against. If we can see that 2017 Harden, I think they can do some damage. They're a dangerous team doing the regular season before Harden pulls a playoff Harden 


 

Fixed it for you 

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28 minutes ago, PeterMP said:

Great now your a 4 seed and maybe you win a playoff round.  That's nice, but most NBA teams now are taking the attitude of they want a path to a championship, and I don't think for any of them this trade opens that up. 

 

It's kind of a crawl, walk, run method to make it from cellar-dweller to champion.  Some teams get stuck walking.  But that's better than getting stuck crawling and the failing and then starting over again, as has happened to Sacramento, Washington, Charlotte, New York, and Minnesota multiple times, and as is happening to Phoenix and Chicago now.

 

You've got to change culture somehow, and a guy like Westbrook is a legit culture changer.

 

And it's not like these bad teams who are perpetually stuck in the lottery churn hold on to their cap space and assets.  What they end up doing is spending their money on horrible contracts like ones for Joakim Noah, Nic Batum, Ian Mahinmi, Harrison Barnes, Jabari Parker, Andrew Wiggins, etc.  Westbrook at any dollar amount is infinitely more valuable to these teams than the guys they actually end up signing.

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3 hours ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

I'd forgotten about Grayson Allen's existence until yesterday.  What a dirty ass player.  How has he not started a brawl that's gotten his ass kicked by now?

 

Give it some time.  He'll **** with the wrong person someday and catch an ass-kicking.

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1 hour ago, stevemcqueen1 said:

 

And it's not like these bad teams who are perpetually stuck in the lottery churn hold on to their cap space and assets.  What they end up doing is spending their money on horrible contracts like ones for Joakim Noah, Nic Batum, Ian Mahinmi, Harrison Barnes, Jabari Parker, Andrew Wiggins, etc.  Westbrook at any dollar amount is infinitely more valuable to these teams than the guys they actually end up signing.

 

Core argument against tanking is having those lottery picks don't matter if you don't surround them with the talent to get over the top, or even hit on those picks in the first place.  Tanking is easy, building a championship team is very hard.

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2 minutes ago, Spaceman Spiff said:

 

Give it some time.  He'll **** with the wrong person someday and catch an ass-kicking.

 

Its tough to rev up “full-Grayson” when you only play 38 games at 10 minutes per.

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No matter how many times I'm reminded that these guys all played together on one team, I still have a hard time remembering that they did.  Unbelievable that they didn't win and it's crazy to see them all wearing the same uniform.  Last night when the trade news broke about Westbrook to Houston I forgot that they'd played together in OKC for some reason.  And for whatever reason, it seems like a long ass time ago and it really wasn't.  

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