Going Commando Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Right. The real lesson to be learned, here, is, when someone intentionally makes things worse, to blame Democrats, and vote Republican. Exactly. Keep the government out of Grandma's uterus. Vote Republican. I, for one, welcome my new corporate overlords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Could not think of a malicious equivalent from the Obama administration off the top of my head (probably due to my liberal bias), though I imagine there probably is one. Funny, none of the Republicans can think of a malicious equivalent from the Obama administration, either. (Although they've been trying, anyway.) Here's a thought: How about not trying to find an equivalence? And I know NJ politics and I expected more cleverness. Like I said, this is a Boss Hogg type scheme. "Let's be direct and leave a paper trail." Watch the Daily Show segment. He has a lot of fun on that theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I guess it what you means by throwing him under the bus. I don't know if his political aspirations are salvagable right now. The real question in my mind is whether something is going to come out that effectively ends his political career. I think this is a win if he remain governor and maybe run in 2020. I think 2016 is already dead. I disagree. I think there is a very good chance that this will blow over in a couple of weeks. It will remain a huge deal in New Jersey, but will it play in Peoria? Or Pomona? Or Pierre? I'm not so sure about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 How is Christie NOT to blame for this??? It was him walking on the sidewalk that was obstructing the traffic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I disagree. I think there is a very good chance that this will blow over in a couple of weeks. It will remain a huge deal in New Jersey, but will it play in Peoria? Or Pomona? Or Pierre? I'm not so sure about that. I think you and I disagree on Christie in general. I can't imagine he is going to go into Iowa and convince all those Evangelicals to vote for him. I can't imagine his act working in South Carolina either. And that's before someone like Santorum runs an ad all about his sleazy, bullying brand of Northeast governance. I've always thought Christie was a longshot because he does not have a natural base anywhere with typical Republican primary voters - Socons, veterans, and deficit hawks. (McCain always had veterans; they were his secret weapon every place he went). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Ah, another attempt to try to make this about Obama. you requested it repeatedly......Odd how you assume it was referencing Obama . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 you requested it repeatedly...... I did not request it once. In fact, specifically requested otherwise. You've chosen to attempt it repeatedly. Odd how you assume it was referencing Obama . Typical how you try to point fingers elsewhere, without actually disputing anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 i have only glanced at this story... but my first glance at the texts and emails looked like people that think they are "ironic" saying douchebag things slightly tongue-in-cheek sortof similar to someone at China Daily saying "that'll learn 'em" as a typhoon moves towards Japan. IN that case you KNOW that the party-loyalists stooges didn't acually CAUSE the Typhoon... but still act like internet tough guys. in this case... is there definitive evidence that these slooges actually shut down lanes un-neccisarily? or are there just the poor-judgement jokning texts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 in this case... is there definitive evidence that these slooges actually shut down lanes un-neccisarily? or are there just the poor-judgement jokning texts? No, they intentionally shut down the lanes. “Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee,” Bridget Anne Kelly, one of three deputy chiefs of staff for Christie, wrote on Aug. 13. The recipient of the e-mail was David Wildstein, a longtime political operative who went to high school with the governor and was hired to be the governor’s eyes and ears at the Port Authority. Wildstein, who ordered the closures three weeks after the message and resigned last month amid the escalating scandal, wrote back: “Got it.” http://www.northjersey.com/news/christie_kelly_bridge_lane_closures_emails.html#sthash.sHuzaTnK.dpuf In other words, Christie's chief of staff sent an email to Christie's friend in the Port Authority saying "Shut down traffic." Three weeks later, that friend did exactly that. Then they laughed about it. Here is a very specific timeline: http://www.northjersey.com/news/Timeline_of_events_around_GWB_lane-closure_controversy.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 This will affect Christie with a very small, but possibly influential crowd in the general election. It actually may help him in the primaries with the nutbags. But those who are howling about this werent voting for him over Hillary anyway. Much like Benghazi wont hurt her overall, this wont hurt him overall. But COULD hurt in a few weird scenarios. IE, I dont think Christie ever had a chance of winning NJ in a General, but he may have made the Dem spend money there. Now it's a done deal and the Dem can spend that money elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 A Rob Ford vs Chris Christie MTV Celebrity Deathmatch would be epic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I think you and I disagree on Christie in general. I can't imagine he is going to go into Iowa and convince all those Evangelicals to vote for him. I can't imagine his act working in South Carolina either. And that's before someone like Santorum runs an ad all about his sleazy, bullying brand of Northeast governance. I've always thought Christie was a longshot because he does not have a natural base anywhere with typical Republican primary voters - Socons, veterans, and deficit hawks. (McCain always had veterans; they were his secret weapon every place he went). I'm not saying that Christie will or will not get the nomination. I'm just suggesting that if he doesn't, it suspect it won't be because of this particular controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Direction Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 As someone who believes wholeheartedly and is very bothered that our current President has deliberately misused his power both for political gain and in more acute circumstances, I have to admit that this Christie crap really bothers me. I don't want my politicians executing their power like this. I know it's been happening for as long as government has existed, and I know that our form of government is a little less prone to doing this than some others (hello Putin), but it still makes me sick and it further knocks Christie down in the likability department for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Going Commando Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Christie is done as a presidential candidate. He was already a bit sketchy for a number of reasons. This kills him. He'll be the butt of an unimaginable number of jokes (more than he already is) and this scandal isn't going to go away while he remains relevant. And anyone can understand how wrong what his staff did was, because everyone HATES sitting in traffic. The narrative that he's an asshole is set in stone now. And likeability problems kill a candidate as much as anything else. He's cooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I dont know about done as a presidential candidate, but he really did mess up here. The guy is a charlatan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 A traffic jam is a ****ing scandal? Are we serious? Only in America is a traffic jam more offensive than NSA spying, IRS abuse, and a failed health care scheme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Stealing this from another website I frequent: Seems like Rachel Maddow has a new theory.The theory is it has nothing to do with Sokolich's non-endorsement. It has everything to do with political vengeance against Democrats because Democrats refused to confirm Christie's Supreme Court nominees. Why did Democrats refuse? Christie refused to reappoint the only black member on the court, John Wallace, for tenure when his seven year term was up. This was the first time a Governor had refused tenure for a Justice in the six decades of the New Jersey Constitution. Democrats decided not to confirm anyone for that position. When another Justice was up for tenure, a Republican, Christie pulled her reappointment for tenure as Democrats signaled she will have a tough reconfirmation. This was the second time a Justice was refused tenure in six decades. Christie called Democrats "animals" for their tactics. All this happened on August 12. On the morning on August 13, Wildstein got the ok to cause traffic in Fort Lee by Christie's Deputy Chief of Staff. Who is the Senate representative for Fort Lee? The Democratic Majority Leader of the Senate, Loretta Weinberg. Curious if anyone knows more about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 There is no theory, there are terrible people that worked for the governor who screwed up and rightly were fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 A traffic jam is a ****ing scandal? Are we serious? Only in America is a traffic jam more offensive than NSA spying, IRS abuse, and a failed health care scheme. The problem is that it was mean spirited and petty. People forgive mistakes. They understand government overreach can happen. If Christie didn't know about it, then it is very similar to the IRS situation, I guess. Underlings doing dumb stuff. But if he DID know, then those comparisons are not very useful. There is no theory, there are terrible people that worked for the governor who screwed up and rightly were fired. You might be right. You might not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Stealing this from another website I frequent: Curious if anyone knows more about this. I watched Rachel last night, this was her opening segment. Sounds plausible to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm surprised Rachel didn't somehow tie it back to the Koch brothers. : Roll eyes: P- good comparison. If Christie wasn't involved, this will fade away quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsmarydu Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm surprised Rachel didn't somehow tie it back to the Koch brothers. : Roll eyes:yeah, that schtick is getting old, even for me, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWolf990 Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 A traffic jam is a ****ing scandal? Are we serious? Only in America is a traffic jam more offensive than NSA spying, IRS abuse, and a failed health care scheme. you should slow down, breathe, and read the story a little more instead of flying off the rails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrong Direction Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 I'm on record above as not liking this scandal one iota, but this still strikes me as ridiculous: http://washingtonexaminer.com/tv-gives-bridgegate-17-times-more-coverage-in-1-day-than-irs-scandal-in-6-months/article/2541896 Nets give 'Bridgegate' 17 times more coverage in 1 day than IRS scandal in 6 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 There is no theory, there are terrible people that worked for the governor who screwed up and rightly were fired. They weren't just "people." They were his closest aides. And his whole sales-pitch since he entered politics is how hands-on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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