The Wicked Wop Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I don't know about some of you, but its pretty amazing to see threads relating to the season being over, Dallas is going to win the division, etc.....after 6 games. First, we got beat by a more experienced team today that obviously made adjustments and took advantage of us plain and simple. Granted its tough to get blown out, but we clearly played with these boys for 3 1/2 quarters, not because were lucky, but because we have talent. Second, this team is a couple of plays shy of being 5-1 rather than 3-3 if we had only played complete games on offense in 2 or our 3 defeats (and please we've only played a total of 3 full games on offense so far this season). Third, yes the Cowboys to this point have suprised alot of people (and me for that matter), but anyone giving up the division at 6 after games when we are in second place in the division needs to be put down or quit posting because you know sh!t about football, and playing a full 16 game schedule. It's a long season, and midseason adjustments can be just a crucial as having a talented team. Don't get me wrong I'm disappointed as well. But this is still a young team that has alot to learn about itself with a young coaching staff. The hope is that they learned from the mistakes and make adjustments to fix them.....and entering the bye week at possibly 4-3 wouldn't be that bad. But to give up at this point is just sickening especially when were are playing a team next week that got beat by an 0-4 team 30-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 the season certainly isnt over... but hell, i cant blame anyone for feeling a little down right now. the skins got b*tch slapped, and the the cowboys are in first by two games. everyone will have it out of their systems in a few days... maybe. :twitch: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I'm with Wicked Wop, Its alright to be dissappointed right now, or feeling a little down and pissed off. BUT HOLD YOURSELVES TOGETHER PEOPLE! Quit jumping on the coaches for EVERYTHING! Some of you are seriously CRAZY!! We lost becuase we played a very talented team which has been together for a long time. They know what they are doing! We have inexperience at a lot of key positions such as QB, head coach, and defensive coordinator. BUT we are coming along. We are playing better and Spurrier is learning, as is Ramsey. Spurrier has made huge strides from last year, AND THE PENALTIES ARENT HIS FAULT! If i see one more thread blaming the coaches im going to flip out! BE PATIENT! Year 1 of a 3 year plan! WE PLAYED THE BEST TEAM IN FOOTBALL TODAY! And for 3 1/2 quarters we hung with them, thats a big step for this team. We played 1/2 of great football, maybe the best all year. I think everyone is forgetting how well we moved the ball in the first half and how well we stopped them in the first half. Just calm down, we're going to be alright. I promise to you all we are going to be okay! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great28 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by The Wicked Wop I don't know about some of you, but its pretty amazing to see threads relating to the season being over, Dallas is going to win the division, etc.....after 6 games. First, we got beat by a more experienced team today that obviously made adjustments and took advantage of us plain and simple. Granted its tough to get blown out, but we clearly played with these boys for 3 1/2 quarters, not because were lucky, but because we have talent. Second, this team is a couple of plays shy of being 5-1 rather than 3-3 if we had only played complete games on offense in 2 or our 3 defeats (and please we've only played a total of 3 full games on offense so far this season). Third, yes the Cowboys to this point have suprised alot of people (and me for that matter), but anyone giving up the division at 6 after games when we are in second place in the division needs to be put down or quit posting because you know sh!t about football, and playing a full 16 game schedule. It's a long season, and midseason adjustments can be just a crucial as having a talented team. Don't get me wrong I'm disappointed as well. But this is still a young team that has alot to learn about itself with a young coaching staff. The hope is that they learned from the mistakes and make adjustments to fix them.....and entering the bye week at possibly 4-3 wouldn't be that bad. But to give up at this point is just sickening especially when were are playing a team next week that got beat by an 0-4 team 30-3. There is no way I could have said it better. Looking at this post you'd think we were 0-6! We are a whole 1 1/2 games behind Dallas, 1/2 game up on Philly and NY. We just have to beat them like we should have the first time, the second time around and beat Dallas both times. We haven't even reached mid-season and people are jumping off the Skins bandwagon like it's the Titanic! We will be alright.:cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF4L Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 nope. don't buy it. young team, young coaching staff, ok. keep telling yourselves that, if that what it takes to keep your spirits up. team and coaches have been revealed, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted October 13, 2003 Author Share Posted October 13, 2003 RF4L then pick another team or board. Obviously from your other posts your glass half empty type of guy and don't yet realize it. It would be one thing to be 1-5 at this point, and I would probably agree with you that we are in trouble....its another thing at this point in the season to obviously see that we have not gelled yet as a complete team and only have 3 teams in your own division with more wins than us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Just need some time to vent and mourn WW… we’ll be all right in a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a_good_brotha Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by RF4L nope. don't buy it. young team, young coaching staff, ok. keep telling yourselves that, if that what it takes to keep your spirits up. team and coaches have been revealed, again. We are 3-3. We lost to the defending Super Bowl champs. This is the first game where I can say we got beat by the other team. The other 2 losses were because we beat ourselves. At least we didn't do that today. And yes this is a young team. How long did it take Tampa Bay to actually become a good team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skins26 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 This is just getting funny with some of you people. You want to win now! So how you want to do it is fire the entire coaching staff!!!!!!! This is year 1 of a 3 year plan. If you want to fire the coaches and most of the team guess what, we've just blown two years and it will be 2 years before we get a new team in here adjusting to another new coach. Meaning it will be at least 3 years before we are any good, and we will have wasted 4 years. I mean think people. You all have no patience. Get a grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great28 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Remember what I told you RF4L. You will not be allowed back on the bandwagon once we beat Dallas. I will seek you out on this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Wop, it's not the loss for most. Heck most expected it. I picked them to lose in the man contest. It's how they lose. With stupid erros, stupid pass protection schemes, stupid D, (THREE td's on a naked bootleg to an uncovered TE??? Not to mention a first down or two). and so on. Losing most can live with if theres some kind of progress... But is anyone seeing any kind of progress from the 1st game to the 6th game? And some of the predictable play calling doesn't help. If I (and a few others have said the same thing) can predict when spurrier is going to call a draw or go to a 5 step drop and throw deep, etc., sure as flies on sh*t, a defensive coordinator can. When they audible, I think everyone EXCEPT the skins know where the audible is going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Murphaaay Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 "Jesus....Calm down.....and quit sounding like some b!tches" Best thread title i've seen in a long time.... :rotflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OaktonSkins/BushFan Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 It's not so much the loss, but how we lose. And this week, we were humiliated and not because they had an overall talent edge either. This game was lost primarily due to poor coaching and it's the same mistakes week in and week out. Hey, Skinner Box anyone? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Take it back Rellim, or I'm going to have my b*tch come over and slap your b*tch. :stick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Obviously you newbies haven't been around too long. This is the way after ever loss. This isn't year 1. This is year 2. What I am seeing is that as we go from game to game, we are still making the same mistakes. Players that we are counting on and paying big dollars, are making the same mistakes. I'm seeing an undisclipined team that for 5 weeks was beating themselves. Today we got beat by the better team but we still had our chances to win. What I am seeing is Norv Turner: The Next Generation. I'm starting to see a coach and his coaching staff who's getting outcoach. First we don't get our act together for half. Then when we do, we commit the same mistakes to cost us games. Blame Edwards. Blame Helton. No, I blame Spurrier. He's the one who brought this staff and it's becoming clear that his staff can't coach. Samuels and Jansens are veterans, yet they are committing penalities that has cost us. I'm not at the point where I say fire Spurrier but I am at the point where I see the same old Skins under Norv Turner with the exception of the team not quitting. I'm starting to doubt in his ability to be a NFL head coach. If Spurrier decides to leave after the season, I won't be complaining. I'm sure Florida would love him back. I haven't seen much to make me believe Spurrier will succeed or his fun'n'gun offense working in the NFL; especially in the NFC EAST. If we were a southern team or a dome team; that might be a little different. This isn't year one. This is year two and I've got real doubts. Coaching is important in the NFL. The Boys with Campo probably would be 0-5 or 1-4 at this point. They aren't. They are 4-1 and that's due to coaching of Parcells. If Parcells was coaching this team, we would be 6-0 right now. We wouldn't be making the same mistakes. It's one thing to have your asses handed to you; it's another to defeat yourself. We are doing that more. A great coach can give you 2-3 wins, just by his coaching alone. Spurrier is starting to show me, that he isn't even an average coach in the NFL. So far he's: 10-12. If Boys win the EAST, it will be due to Parcells. I don't have in Spurrier for us to be better than 8-8 at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarhog Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I'm not going to argue the finer points 2000, hell I agree with a lot of your points...but having players with some heart and fire who continue to fight and compete (not necessarily today, but this season in general) is a refreshing and significant change from the Norv era. And there was only one Norv. To be fair to Spurrier, he's got 5 or 6 more years of squandering opportunities to even be mentioned in the same breath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by Tarhog I'm not going to argue the finer points 2000, hell I agree with a lot of your points...but having players with some heart and fire who continue to fight and compete (not necessarily today, but this season in general) is a refreshing and significant change from the Norv era. And there was only one Norv. To be fair to Spurrier, he's got 5 or 6 more years of squandering opportunities to even be mentioned in the same breath... Yeah, I like that heart and fire. Thing is the same mistakes are killing us and is undermining whatever positive is happening. Eventually those same mistakes will take away that heart and fire and that return of Norv will have been complete. The lack of a power running game, in a division that requires it; is galling. This isn't Redskins football. It remains to be seen whether this brand of football can win and I'm starting to have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manly Dexter Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by Rdskns2000 Obviously you newbies haven't been around too long. This is the way after ever loss. This isn't year 1. This is year 2. What I am seeing is that as we go from game to game, we are still making the same mistakes. Players that we are counting on and paying big dollars, are making the same mistakes. I'm seeing an undisclipined team that for 5 weeks was beating themselves. Today we got beat by the better team but we still had our chances to win. What I am seeing is Norv Turner: The Next Generation. I'm starting to see a coach and his coaching staff who's getting outcoach. First we don't get our act together for half. Then when we do, we commit the same mistakes to cost us games. Blame Edwards. Blame Helton. No, I blame Spurrier. He's the one who brought this staff and it's becoming clear that his staff can't coach. Samuels and Jansens are veterans, yet they are committing penalities that has cost us. I'm not at the point where I say fire Spurrier but I am at the point where I see the same old Skins under Norv Turner with the exception of the team not quitting. I'm starting to doubt in his ability to be a NFL head coach. If Spurrier decides to leave after the season, I won't be complaining. I'm sure Florida would love him back. I haven't seen much to make me believe Spurrier will succeed or his fun'n'gun offense working in the NFL; especially in the NFC EAST. If we were a southern team or a dome team; that might be a little different. This isn't year one. This is year two and I've got real doubts. Coaching is important in the NFL. The Boys with Campo probably would be 0-5 or 1-4 at this point. They aren't. They are 4-1 and that's due to coaching of Parcells. If Parcells was coaching this team, we would be 6-0 right now. We wouldn't be making the same mistakes. It's one thing to have your asses handed to you; it's another to defeat yourself. We are doing that more. A great coach can give you 2-3 wins, just by his coaching alone. Spurrier is starting to show me, that he isn't even an average coach in the NFL. So far he's: 10-12. If Boys win the EAST, it will be due to Parcells. I don't have in Spurrier for us to be better than 8-8 at this time. Totally agreed. Unfortunately, you are able to say this since you have a lot of posts under your belt. As soon as someone with a few posts says THE EXACT SAME THING, he gets whipped up on. This is starting to be like a country club atmosphere here. There's the self-proclaimed "members", and there's "Them boys that need to shut dem moufs" LOL I still like most of your guys' posts though. No hard feelings. This isn't important enough to me to get too angry anyways. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I'm dissappointed, but I'm not worried or about to commit suicide. I think some of you are expecting way too much from these guys. That's your choice, your business, but I'm content. I predicted 3-3 after 6 games. We have had a chance to win every game. We haven't really been overmatched (until yesterday). I'll be honest, I wasn't expecting us to be as good as we are. Ramsey is playing way over his head. If he could have consistant time to throw the ball, all the other problems would dissappear. I'd rather get hot at the end of the season when it matters rather than now. In my mind, the goal is to win 9 or 10 games. I think it's very realistic to see that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poidog22 Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 This season is far from over, but unless we stop killing ourselves, and start winning some division games, it will be over sooner than any of us will want to admit. :shot: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 I think many of you are holding the past 10 years of frustration out on Spurrier and the current team. Completely unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by RF4L nope. don't buy it. young team, young coaching staff, ok. keep telling yourselves that, if that what it takes to keep your spirits up. team and coaches have been revealed, again. I'm with RF4L. Sorry. But he's right. They WERE revealed once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 Here's something to keep in mind about this season under Spurrier: We've already made improvements from Year 1 to Year 2. He's leaned on the run more and we've been competitive in every game (this game WAS competitive until late in the 3rd or the 4th quarter). Wasn't the case last year. Give it TIME. All 3 teams that beat us have been together for the most part for several years...we're on game 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 If Parcells was coaching this team, we would be 6-0 right now. We wouldn't be making the same mistakes. It's one thing to have your asses handed to you; it's another to defeat yourself. We are doing that more. I'd take it even further. We'd be 5-1 or 6-0 and most of the wins would have been lopsided instead of 2 or 3 point victories. Simply because we'd be a well coached and fundamentally sound team and not shooting ourselves in the foot all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 13, 2003 Share Posted October 13, 2003 If Parcells was coaching this team, the players would have quit on him already. (see Marty era) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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