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Goodell, was just asked about the name and Obama's comments:

 

He said the Redskins have used the name in a positive way and not in derogatory way by the team and it's fans, and that reasonable people can view the name differently

 

 

I agree with him.

 

 

I'm sure most of us do. The point is, this doesn't sound like someone who is going to be putting any pressure on Snyder, anytime soon

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Some are nice. LOL Washington Griffins.

Who decided on Warriors, Griffins, and Renegades? Griffins... Might as well name the team RG3 fan club.

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No, Redskins is merely a starting point as it is viewed by them as the "most offensive" and potentially easiest to take down. Even Wise on twitter has said Redskins is a starting point. Oneida and Harjo and others have frequently said their goal is to remove all Native American themes from sports, and Wise on twitter has previously said he'll stick with them on that. None of the loons have mentioned Buffalo Bills of course. If Redskins gets changed then it won't be long after when Braves, Chiefs, and others have to change too, or at least go the Florida Seminole route where they get approval from a local tribe and then pay them annually.

You say that like its a horrible thing. I have an interest in the Redskins, but I could care less about the Braves or Chiefs. If they have to change their names I wouldn't care at all. Why would I? I also agree with the groups opposing chief Wahoo, that logo is pretty bad.

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Not too surprised Redskins has so many racists fans. There is a reason this team is loved by so many below the Mason-Dixon Line. If a name change can drive those kind of people away then I'm all for it.

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Not too surprised Redskins has so many racists fans. There is a reason this team is loved by so many below the Mason-Dixon Line. If a name change can drive those kind of people away then I'm all for it.

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Not too surprised Redskins has so many racists fans. There is a reason this team is loved by so many below the Mason-Dixon Line. If a name change can drive those kind of people away then I'm all for it.

 

Maybe the worst post in the thread.

 

If only keeping the name would drive you away.

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Not too surprised Redskins has so many racists fans. There is a reason this team is loved by so many below the Mason-Dixon Line. If a name change can drive those kind of people away then I'm all for it.

Noticed in your profile you neglected to disclose your location, which is cool, and I'm going to call you out as geographically challenged. 

Most of us here were actually watching our first, and second SB wins long before you were even thought of. 

 

Hail to you and your educational endeavor.  I hope.

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Not too surprised Redskins has so many racists fans. There is a reason this team is loved by so many below the Mason-Dixon Line. If a name change can drive those kind of people away then I'm all for it.

 

Without question the most ignorant post I've ever seen on these forums.  Truly embarrassing that you decided to post this.

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Not too surprised Redskins has so many racists fans. There is a reason this team is loved by so many below the Mason-Dixon Line. If a name change can drive those kind of people away then I'm all for it.

Yet your zip code is below the Mason Dixon line. Go be stupid somewhere else. This may not be the place for you & we're ok with that. :)

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He may top Larry and twa for quotes with that one.  Lordy.

 

*edit*  TK to the rescue. :)

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I really do not think that this is accurate.

 

Hell, we already changed the words of the song once.  Somehow, no one died from a loss of that tradition.

 

Well, the song really wouldn't make any sense any longer.  Hail to the Warriors? Hail to the Senators?  A couple of the words changed from the original version ("scalp em" to "swamp em", and "Dixie" to "DC") is a lot different than changing the name of the damn song. 

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Predicto,

Harjo and blackhorse have both said they want all native imagery done away with. To say they are 'a few' is minimalizing their influence, as they are possibly the two most prominent voices on this issue.

And don't pretend that the facts about the name have been reported evenly. The Washington post coverage of the symposium yesterday is perhaps the most recent example of a media outlet with an agenda reporting what they want you to hear.

Lets just shoot straight on this issue.

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IF the Washington Redskins never existed as a team from 1932 until the present, would everyone be ok with an expansion franchise starting today named this same name?

 

I just don't see any way this passes as acceptable in today's world.  It's not the 30's anymore.  For me, it's like excusing your racist grandfather to your friends because "he grew up in a different time and he doesn't mean any harm".

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From what I've seen, there's more than just them offended. Let me ask, how do you define most? Has every single native American taken.part in these polls?

First, you seem to have a lack of understanding of how poll are done. No poll typically asks EVERY person in the particular group. That's the whole point of polls...to ask a sample size of a group a question to come up with a representation of the over all group.

Second, for me personally, I'd define a "majority" as being at least 51% and I'd define "most" of a group as being more than 3/4ths of the group.

Third, there have anecdotally been more native americans that have came out in opposition to the name than just Oenida. There's also been a fair bit that have came out perfectly okay with the name. The other issue, naturally, with anecdotally determining offense is that it relies largely on what gets reported or not. And as we've seen from the likes of Peter King and Mike Florio, there's a clear and unquestioned bias as to what side they're more likely to report on and highlight.

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IF the Washington Redskins never existed as a team from 1932 until the present, would everyone be ok with an expansion franchise starting today named this same name?

 

 

 

 probably not, because people dont use the word except when referring to the professional football team, or potatoes. or, if you go to red mesa and wellpinit.high school, you would use the term to refer to your mascot. 

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I honestly really don't care about the team name.

 

I care about Hail to the Redskins.  The song is what's stayed constant throughout our history and I don't want to lose that.

 

If we can find a way to keep HTTR or make a handful of minor changes I'll be at peace with the name.

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If we can find a way to keep HTTR or make a handful of minor changes I'll be at peace with the name.

When change comes, HTTR should be the next priority after preserving the color scheme. The lyrics have been ever evolving since the song was introduced, no reason to end that tradition.

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You say that like its a horrible thing. I have an interest in the Redskins, but I could care less about the Braves or Chiefs. If they have to change their names I wouldn't care at all. Why would I? I also agree with the groups opposing chief Wahoo, that logo is pretty bad.

 

When the majority of Native Americans have been shown to not have an issue with such imagery in sports, and many in fact take pride in it, yet there is a small group of them trying to eradicate the imagery completely, then yes it is a horrible thing. If we lose our name because of the misinformation and others do too, I feel bad for them as well. I would care because they would have gone through what we went through. 

 

Chief Wahoo should be gone, it is a caricature, same with fans painting their faces red. That is an easy one and should be gone after hard, but I guess the people against it don;t have local media with an axe to grind against the team helping them out like what we have in DC.

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Why is the NFL even wasting their TIME with CEO Ray Halbritter of the Oneida Indian Nation of New York, Inc.?

 

From http://www.cpt.org/work/aboriginal_justice/oneida

 

 

In 1993, the Grand Council of Chiefs removed Mr. Halbritter as the Oneida wolf clan representative and notified the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) that he no longer represented the Oneida people. The decision was accepted by the BIA, only to be reversed 24 hours later, reportedly under pressure from Sherwood Boehlert, the U.S. congressional representative for the area and a casino supporter.

Today the U.S. governmentóbut not the Grand Council of Chiefsógives official recognition to the Oneida Indian Nation with Ray Halbritter as its representative.

 

This jerk can't even make peace with his own people.

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http://frontpagemag.com/2013/dgreenfield/casino-kingpin-and-fake-indian-chief-targets-redskins/

Casino Kingpin and Fake Indian Chief Targets Redskins

Posted By Daniel Greenfield On October 8, 2013 @ 6:05 pm In The Point | 4 Comments

Ray Halbritter is suddenly everywhere, giving interviews denouncing the Washington based team, even though his own base is in New York. He’ll even meet with the NFL to begin the process of pressuring the Redskins into changing their name.

Media accounts dub Ray Halbritter a representative for the Oneida Indian Nation. The reality is a good deal more complex.

The Oneida, Mohawk, Onondaga, Cayuga, Tuscarora, and Seneca nations are autonomous members of the Six Nation Confederacy (the Haudenosaunee). The Oneida are about 1000 people (450 adults) in central New York.

And that’s with a blood quantum level requirement of 1/4 so that you only need 1/4 blood to be a member of the Oneida tribe. Which is to say that most of the Oneidas are probably more white than Native American.

In 1985, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld a lower court ruling that the Oneidas were the rightful owners of 872 acres that they had claimed in a test case.

According to Haudenosaunee tradition, the Oneida clan mothers of the wolf, bear, and turtle clans select the chiefs who represent the Oneida nation on the Grand Council of Chiefs, which oversees the Six Nation Confederacy.

But during much of the 1970s and 1980s, the New York Oneidas were beset by leadership conflicts. In the mid-1980s, in an effort to reestablish a traditional form of government, wolf clan mother Maisie Shenandoah selected three Oneida men as temporary representatives to the Grand Council of Chiefs. By the mid-1990s, two had died, leaving only Ray Halbritter, a talented Oneida businessman trained at Harvard.

In 1993, Mr. Halbritter negotiated a gaming compact for the Oneidas with New York governor Mario Cuomo and consequently built the highly profitable Turning Stone Casino in central New York. This casino became the cornerstone of an expansive Oneida business enterprise that now includes a chain of gas stations, a textile factory, and a luxury hotel. The business is incorporated as the Oneida Indian Nation of New York, Inc. with Ray Halbritter as its CEO.

So yes, Ray Halbritter is a representative of the Oneida Indian Nation. But it’s the Oneida Indian Nation Inc. It’s a company with gas stations, a hotel and a casino.

How legitimate is Ray Halbritter’s leadership considering that he basically stepped into a leadership vacuum and cashed in on legal gambling?

Not very.

Mr. Halbritter’s initiatives have been criticized by some Oneidas, who say he has violated the Great Law of the Haudenosaunee by embracing gambling. They also fault him for selecting his own clan mothers and for creating a “men’s council,” both unheard of practices in Haudenosaunee tradition.

In 1993, the Grand Council of Chiefs removed Mr. Halbritter as the Oneida wolf clan representative and notified the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA) that he no longer represented the Oneida people. The decision was accepted by the BIA, only to be reversed 24 hours later, reportedly under pressure from Sherwood Boehlert, the U.S. congressional representative for the area and a casino supporter.

Today the U.S. government but not the Grand Council of Chiefs gives official recognition to the Oneida Indian Nation with Ray Halbritter as its representative.

So Ray Halbritter is the head of a company recognized not by a tribal council, but by the United States government. This entire thing wound its way through the courts…

On February 13, 1996, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and local counsel filed suit on behalf of the Oneida Nation of New York against the U.S. Department of the Interior, charging that the government violated the Oneidas’ national sovereignty.

The suit alleged that the Department refused to recognize a legitimate decision by the Nation and the Grand Council of the Haudenosaunee, Six Nations Confederacy, to remove Arthur Raymond Halbritter from his claimed position as sole leader of the Nation and representative to the U.S. government.

The Oneida members requested an injunction ordering federal agencies to recognize the removal of Halbritter and to rescind any agreement made by Halbritter after his removal. The members also demanded an accounting of all its proceeds from 1987 to the present and an injunction that would prevent Halbritter from expending any Nation funds. Lastly, the suit asserted that the federal agency violated their civil rights guaranteed under the Indian Civil Rights Act.

That’s the same Arthur Raymond Halbritter who is now putting on a full court press against the Redskins on behalf of Oneida Indian Nation Enterprises.

Which Oneidas does he actually represent? He has more employees than tribe members and he’s vocally opposed by actual members of the tribe, including the family of the woman who appointed him.

Against the wishes of the Confederacy, and without knowledge of the Oneida people, a Casino deal was struck between ex-Governor Cuomo and so-called Oneida Nation “CEO” Arthur Raymond Halbritter in 1993. The compact was never ratified by the Oneidas. Using money borrowed by Halbritter from the Key Bank of Central NY ( the CEO mortgaged Oneida land without our knowledge) “The Turning Stone Casino” was built in Oneida, NY. The Casino was built on wetlands in violation of both US and Haudenosaunee laws. Because Halbritter violated Haudenosaunee rules he was removed from his position as an Oneida spokesperson in May, 1993…

The Oneida people were completely unaware that any transactions for land, a casino, or lawsuits against 20,000 land owners would ensue. To date, the Oneida people who have opposed these decisions continue to be threatened with on-going human, civil and religious rights violations and are in present danger of losing their homes on the Oneida Indian Territory.

Under the guise of a “beautification program”, the leadership has authorized a mock tribal court system to prosecute all those who stand up for their rights as Haudenosaunee.

A 54 man, completely non-Native “Oneida Nation Police” force acting on the direct orders of Halbritter has harassed, intimidated and physically assaulted Oneida people on their own territory.

That’s the creature heading up the shakedown of the Redskins.

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Greenfield makes Halbritter's background read like a McKenna City Paper article on Snyder. That was an entertaining read.

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A 54 man, completely non-Native “Oneida Nation Police” force acting on the direct orders of Halbritter has harassed, intimidated and physically assaulted Oneida people on their own territory.

 

 

 

http://www.oneidasfordemocracy.org/main/articles/oneida-nation-police-force/

 

In 1994 Diane Schenandoah, Matt Jones, and Vickie Halsey walked in and sat down in the longhouse (Our sacred, social and political meeting place). Halbritter pointed at them and ordered the police: “get those people out of here.” They were physically removed from the building by armed Oneida Nation Police.

 

 

 

ASSAULTED BY ONEIDA NATION POLICE

November 16, 2001, Danielle Patterson, an Oneida Indian and mother of three children, ages 7, 9, and 10, was forcibly and violently removed from her home and arrested on November 16, 2001 by armed Oneida Nation Police. She had good cause to fear that if her home was inspected, it would face the fate of 11 other homes on the Oneida Indian Territory all of which were inspected, condemned and immediately demolished. Approximately 22 individuals, comprised of armed Oneida Nation police, and a unit of the Oneida City Police were joined by Peter Carmen the so-called Oneida Nation Prosecutor at the Patterson home to witness the forced entry and inspection.

While Danielle stood in front of the door of her home, the police officers attacked her physically when she asked why they were there. They yanked her mother, 69 year old Wolf Clanmother Maisie Shenandoah off the porch while seven officers shoved Ms. Patterson repeatedly against the door. They grabbed Ms Patterson from all sides and forced her off her porch while they yanked on her arms, back and neck and pulled out chunks of her hair. One proclaimed, “You are under arrest for resisting arrest”. They assaulted her and took her to a holding facility without serving her papers or telling her she was under arrest.

 

 

 

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------------------------------------------------------------------MAISIE SHENANDOAH

-------------------------------------------------------------July 12, 1932 - December 2, 2009

 

On November 21, 2001, on Thanksgiving eve, a notice was issued by Arthur F. Pierce , the ONP’s “commissioner of public safety” ordering the demolition of Patterson’s home despite Madison County’s determination the residence was up to regional code.

 

 

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Joe Smith(left) is the new Chief of Police for the Oneida Nation Police Department and Arthur Pierce (right) has come out of retire-ment to take on the job of superintendent. Together they bring more than a half-century of experience to the force.

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The point is, it won't become financially viable. There are roughly 90,000 fans who pack FedEx wearing REDSKINS stuff. There are tons more of us who are loyal and devoted to our team, our town, and our tradition.  We buy stuff too...ask my husband, lots of it!  My parents are in NoVA, and right now my mom is on the hunt for a Redskins toaster cover for me, :lol: 

There is absolutely NO legal precedent that I have found for changing the name. It cannot be forced upon Dan, and God love him, he was always a REDSKINS fan, and though I don't always agree with him, I believed him when he said NEVER.

I'm probably wording it wrong.  The forces against the name will go after the NFL where it hurts, it's pocketbook.  The anti-trust exemption is removed.  When liberals regain full control of the government; probably with Hillary's election in 2016; I could see the government remove that exemption.  I can see advertisers being pressured.  It won't happen right away and the issue will probably go away for awhile but when Robert will have us in a Superbowl; I see it coming full force again.   Basically, I eventually see the sources of income for the NFL being pressured.  Then the NFL facing loss of revenue; then pressures Dan.

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http://bigstory.ap.org/article/redskins-name-top-topic-goodell-news-conference

Redskins name top topic at Goodell news conference

 

Asked directly whether the Washington Redskins should change their name, Roger Goodell said the NFL needs to "make sure we're doing what's right."

 

Speaking at the conclusion of the league's fall meetings Tuesday, the commissioner noted that he grew up in the Washington area rooting for the city's football team and "by no means ... have I ever considered it derogatory as a fan, and I think that's how Redskins fans would look at it."

 

The topic was not part of the formal agenda for the meetings — Goodell said "there may have been discussions between some of the owners, but not on the floor" — and yet it was the subject of four of the first five questions posed at his news conference at a Washington hotel.

 

"Whenever you have a situation like this, you have to listen and recognize that some other people may have different perspectives, and clearly there are cases where that's true here," Goodell said. "And that's what I've suggested and I've been open about — that we need to listen, carefully listen, and make sure we're doing what's right."

 

 

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