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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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The Official ES Redskins Name Change Thread---All Things Related to Changing the Team's Name Go Here

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Absolutely. My gut is that less than 10% of people have an issue with our name. I also would guess that most Native Americans feel pride, not offense. The fact that majority NA schools adopt similar names supports my guesses.

 

However, I'm open-minded (or like to think that I am). If several tribes organized their thoughts and officially condemned the name (even if they didn't make up a majority) I would be fine with the NFL or organization entertaining the name change. If the numbers are growing and people are legitimately offended, of course we should consider it. I just want something more than UnWise Mike telling us that he thinks some NAs should be pissed.

 

Nice post, by the way!

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clearly, i find alot of things interesting.

Anything to take your attention away from how we're playing. :)

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Nice post, by the way!

 

 

thanks! i'm usually afraid i come across as a jerk :)

Anything to take your attention away from how we're playing. :)

 

 

its either this, or stabbing needles in my eyes. 

 

heres hoping for 2-3!

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either of them.

and yes, it is interesting considering the NCAI launched a public awareness campaign in 1968 against the name.

Actually they didn't launch this against the "name."  The campaign was launched against the use of any American Indian themed mascots.

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I find it Interesting to learn the Annenberg survey of 2004 asked respondents to self ID if they were Native. Roughly 8.5% of respondents claimed Native ethnicity, which is well above the actual percentage of the US population, esp. in the lower 48 states. Residents of Alaska and Hawaii were excluded from that survey.

http://www.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/downloads/political_communication/naes/2004_03_redskins_09-24_pr.pdf

The only people they should ask, in my opinion, are those raised in Native American culture in addition to being at least 50% Native American. I can only speak for myself but as a Hispanic I don't think someone with a grandfather named Carlos that can't speak Spanish and has never lived in a Hispanic community should be representing me on surveys or anywhere else. I think that to represent it, you have to live it. Again that's just my view, I know things are done differently on this issue.

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The only people they should ask, in my opinion, are those raised in Native American culture in addition to being at least 50% Native American. I can only speak for myself but as a Hispanic I don't think someone with a grandfather named Carlos that can't speak Spanish and has never lived in a Hispanic community should be representing me on surveys or anywhere else. I think that to represent it, you have to live it. Again that's just my view, I know things are done differently on this issue.

And I can understand that view, and see the validity of it.

But I expect the people yelling that "it's offensive", to . . .

1) Pick what standard they think qualifies as "their opinions should count, and nobody else's should"

2) Ask said people.

3) And be prepared to justify why they claim that this group, and only this group, should count.

If they want to claim, (to pull out a hypothetical) that only people currently living on a reservation should count, then I could see that as a reasonable selection criteria. I wouldn't mind seeing a survey of that. If they think that the standard should be "is listed on a tribal roll", I'm fine with that criteria.

If they just happen to pick the seven or however many plaintiffs on the lawsuit there are, then I'm going to ignore their "survey", because they cherry picked their data.

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I'm not really sure why changing the team name to Warriors or Braves (or anything else really) is so distasteful, especially if team colors/logo don't change. I guess the real question I have is, why is the name Redskins important to you? Me, I support the team because it's my hometown team, the name is irrelevant. We could be the slugs for all I care, I'd still point out how slugs often kill drunken cowboys. So what really does the name mean to you (I'm not looking for historic perspective, but personal history) and why is it so important to maintain this tradition. Not because I'm a basket weaving PC name changer, I'm just wondering what I'm missing here. I couldn't care less what the team logo/mascot is. I'm from here and I support here.

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They have been the Washington Redskins since 1937. In other words, the team has been here by that name for 76 years. In all that time people have been cheering for them, invested time and consideration into them. Is it really that difficult for some of you to understand why so many hold such importance in the name? 

 

Furthermore, not one person in here I believe has said that if the majority of Native Americans did find the name offensive that we should still keep it. However, what has been shown is a lot of evidence showing that the majority DO NOT find it offensive. But we see a minority of people, many not even Native American and many also citing factually incorrect evidence, clamoring for us to change the name. Pretty easy, with an understanding of the situation, to see why so many feel it is important to maintain the name.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/10/05/president-obama-id-think-about-changing-the-washington-redskins-name/

President Obama: ‘I’d think about changing’ the Washington Redskins’ name

 

President Obama said he would consider changing the name of the Washington Redskins because it offends Native Americans.

 

"If I were the owner of the team and I knew that the name of my team, even if they've had a storied history, that was offending a sizable group of people, I'd think about changing it," Obama said in an interview with the Associated Press published Saturday

Obama said he did not think the team meant offense by the name, which has been with the franchise since it was in Boston in 1933.

 

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Actually sounds like a lot of you tailgaters in what he actually said

Team name not intended to be offensive

But If you Know it is offending a Sizable group of people then think about changing it

That's what most people in here say all the time

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They have been the Washington Redskins since 1937. In other words, the team has been here by that name for 76 years. In all that time people have been cheering for them, invested time and consideration into them. Is it really that difficult for some of you to understand why so many hold such importance in the name? 

 

ame.

Yeah it still is a little difficult for me to understand. We have invested ourselves in rooting for this team... Not for the word Redskin. But whatever, that horse is beaten flat now. HTTR!

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https://twitter.com/markknoller

Pres Obama questions whether fan attachment to a team name "should override the real, legitimate concerns" some people have about it.

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Actually sounds like a lot of you tailgaters in what he actually said

Team name not intended to be offensive
But If you Know it is offending a Sizable group of people then think about changing it

That's what most people in here say all the time

Except it seems he's already decided that it is (which most disagree with).

Hard to tell though, without the complete transcript.

 

 

 

 

http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_289563/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=YVuzJg0K

Obama open to name change for Washington Redskins

 

President Barack Obama says he would "think about changing" the Washington Redskins' name if he owned the football team as he waded into the controversy involving a word that many consider offensive to Native Americans.

 

Obama, in an interview with The Associated Press, said team names such as the Redskins offend "a sizable group of people." He said that while fans get attached to the names, nostalgia may not be a good enough reason to keep them in place.

 

"I don't know whether our attachment to a particular name should override the real legitimate concerns that people have about these things," he said in the interview, which was conducted Friday.

 

An avid sports fan, Obama said he doesn't think Washington football fans are purposely trying to offend American Indians. "I don't want to detract from the wonderful Redskins fans that are here. They love their team and rightly so," he said.

 

But the president appeared to come down on the side of those who have sharply criticized the football team's name, noting that Indians "feel pretty strongly" about mascots and team names that depict negative stereotypes about their heritage.

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I think the name controversy is petty but I don't think his answer is a big deal.  He did not call on Snyder to change the name, and I assume the only reason he weighed in at all was because he was asked.  If you look at  Drudge you would assume he is on a crusade to change it.

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But we see a minority of people, many not even Native American and many also citing factually incorrect evidence, clamoring for us to change the name. Pretty easy, with an understanding of the situation, to see why so many feel it is important to maintain the name.

Correct.

I think its a common belief among pro name changers that those against the name change hold that position strictly out of selfish traditional reasons. You see it all the time- even in this thread - "what's the big deal? It's just a name"

While a agree that keeping a name that is proven to be offensive just because of tradition is wrong , I will not apologize for questioning the actual offensiveness of the word.

One columnist- Reilly - writes an article questioning the real extent of it being offensive and he gets crushed. One person said he hoped he would kill himself. For pointing out that, at the very least, that many native Americans embrace the term and are not offended.

As elk correctly pointed out, the most vocal name changers are factually incorrect in their very reason for being offended. A case of offense built on a non existent fact. Where else would this kind of nonsense be allowed to continue completely - outside of one columnist- unchallenged?!

The reason many are not willing to change the name goes far beyond tradition. Some of us just have the audacity to ask questions. Even if people would rather we shut up and did what we're told.

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words are arbitrary so I don't understand extreme positions on either side of the debate. I do think the name isn't meant to be racist, but it is somewhat offensive. I don't root for the redskins because they are the redskins, I root for them because they rep. the DMV. If they were to change it, I probably wouldn't give a damn so long as the name they changed it to wasn't something stupid. 

 

hypothetically, if the redskins moved to another city, and DC was given another franchise...where would allegiances lay? I'm somewhat different to the name "redskins" only because its the name of "our" citys team. I think I would bash the name from the outside looking in. 

 

But yeah, Obama probably should worry himself over some other things then polarizing nature of the redskins name/mascot. 

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I didn't really take it as him saying he wants the name changed.  I think he took a middle-of-the-road stance.  Not really coming out for or against. 

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I am from upstate NY. The Oneidas are really pushing this with our local media. I am not sure if anyone has posted this - but they are planning to attend the NFL fall meeting insisting on a name change- tomorrow 10-7-13. They have set up a website, too. Not sure how much attention they are going to draw.....or should draw. I have been boycotting all of their business ventures when I realized they had taken a stand on this. (Gas & Convenience Stores, Casino, concerts, golfing, lodging, camping).  On one hand I would like to send them a VERY polite and kindly worded letter letting them know what "Redskin" means to me and include my chopped up Turning Stone Casino card. On the other hand, I don't want to draw attention or lend any more credence or ammunition to this.

 

Considering the current condition of Washington, and on reservations across the US...an unrelated tribe from northern New York and a couple of congresswomen decide to concentrate on this in the nations capital? 

 

WHAT: U.S. lawmakers, Native American leaders, public health professionals

and student activists will be among those gathering at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel in

Washington, DC to discuss the growing Change the Mascot movement. The event

will take place at the same location as the NFL Fall League Meeting.

WHERE: Ritz-Carlton Georgetown, 3100 South Street, N.W., Washington, DC

2007. The conference will take place in the Fahrenheit Ballroom

WHEN: 11:00 a.m. Eastern, Monday, October 7th

http://www.oneidaindiannation.com/pressroom/releases/Opponents-of-Racist-Washington-Football-Mascot-to-Hold-Event-On-Site-at-NFL-Fall-League-Meeting-226296481.html

 

edited to remove some seriously whiney bits.

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44, some people said to be representing the Oneidas, protested the redskins- packers game a few weeks ago.

It was being reported beforehand as a big deal- google it send you can see the publicity it got in the days before the game.

9 people showed up.

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