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The Official ES Redskins Name Change Thread---All Things Related to Changing the Team's Name Go Here

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So annoying.

 

Just get it over with it, Snyder.

 

Washington Warriors. 

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All the real issues NAs face and their wasting money on an issue many NAs don't agree with them on, most in fact.

 

Sorry starving NAs, sorry NAs with alcoholism and high suicide rates, sorry poorly educated NAs, but this money is for a commercial to end a name you don't care about.

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'"native americans call themselves many things- the one thing they dont..."

 

well, thats not true. but, it makes for a good soundbite, so.....

 

what they probably should have said "Native Americans in the geographic area we in this commercial hail from call themselves many things...the one thing they don't"

 

You could also spin that to mean the only thing the term refers to now is the team, that is why they don't.    

 

Apparently, the only thing that ties us to the Native community is the logo.  We could also just lose the Native American logo on the side of the helmet, change to the R and be done with this.  I'm fine with anything other than the name being changed at this point. Just keep it burgundy and gold with the script R, or use a different Font.  Something new. 

 

New Hail lyrics

 

"Hail to the Redskins

Hail Victory

 

Legends of pro Football...

Fight for old D.C.

 

Run or pass or score we want a lot more

Beat em' swamp em' touchdown let the points soar!

 

Fight on Fight on 'til you have won, Sons of Washington"

 

The Redskins is the name of the Football team, there is no Native reference whatsoever.  Just don't change the name.  I'd rather them put the potato on the helmet at this point than change the name.  I'm very serious.  

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So annoying.

 

Just get it over with it, Snyder.

 

Washington Warriors. 

 

You don't understand. There is NO getting it over with. If we do change the name it will validate their cause and many, the local media especially, will keep hammering it in long after. They won't redeem us for doing it, they'll further villify us. We've seen it already with Marshall and how all he's remembered for mainly is being last to integrate. We are the scapegoat for past racism that the entire NFL did. We'll be the new scapegoat for racism in sports. 

 

Changing the name is only going to worsen things because many in the media, and most of the local media, are using this cause to advance their own anti-team/anti-owner agendas. They don't really care about NAs which is why they never talk about the terrible problems NAs face and raise awareness for it even though they are in perfect position to do so. 

 

This is why we fans need to start boycotting these media members. Hitting them in the pocketbooks is the only way to silence them at this point. They need an audience, we have to take that away. Look at what those scumbags did when the team was bad last season. All the attacks and manufactured nonsense about RG3. They are sharks and we need to take their teeth away instead of accepting their BS just because the team isn't doing well.

 

It's utterly ridiculous the state of the local media in this town. Most of them HATE the team. They shouldn't exist. They shouldn't have a platform. Yet somehow they have enough support to keep going. That's because stupid fans eat their crap up when the team does bad. Enough of it. We need to stop tolerating this garbage from them.

 

Cancel your subscription to the Post, let them know why. Stop linking to sites like Post and PFT on here and stop clicking on them altogether. We fans are a considerable base. We were able to get Vinny and Zorn out of here with protesting in 2009 over an abysmal team. Can you imagine the effect we'd have if the fan base had that kind of emotion and activity over this issue and directed it at the local media? Instead we have a bunch falling victim to the media's ploy of non-stop coverage. Submitting because you're tired of it. We don't expect our football team to have that kind of quit in them, and we berate them on here if they do. Yet what are we if we quit now?

 

So no. Don't change the name. Don't "get it over with." The team's legacy will be forever stained if we change the name and we fans we'll carry a large part of the blame for giving up like cowards. If Snyder no longer has substantial fan support on this issue then the pocketbooks are effected and that really will be cause to change the name. We fans are one of the last lines of defense. If we weaken and give up then it's all over and every time after that when the "racist" team name is thrown in our face as a reminder by some a-hole with an anti-team agenda, we'll carry part of that blame because we gave in. I won't be a part of that. I'll keep reminding people to boycott, to not share and click on links to bad sites, and I'll keep telling fans not to give up. If we fans can't put forth that minimal effort to protect the name then this fanbase is not the great entity it once was.

 

Hail to the REDSKINS! Now and forever. 

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Just my opinion -- and I certainly understand a lot of what you're saying -- but I think it's a fight we can't win.

 

The NFL will make Snyder change the name at some point if he doesn't on his own. 

 

Again, understand a lot of what you're saying though. 

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I listen to a lot of talk radio in the Houston area. All I've heard is bashing the skins name, as it being completely racist. All I hear is one sided, uninformed opinions.

All because the name refers to one's color of skin.

whether we like it or not, the media is changing the way people perceive the name... They are making it racist, and the average individual will eventually side with the skins' name being racist.

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I listen to a lot of talk radio in the Houston area. All I've heard is bashing the skins name, as it being completely racist. All I hear is one sided, uninformed opinions.

What do they say when you call in? :)

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All because the name refers to one's color of skin.

 

and this is really ridiculous.  I have been called "White" my whole life.  Sometimes it was meant disparagingly, more often than not it was not.

 

You can always tell the idiots who say the name is racist, because obviously they have no idea what the definition of that word is.  

 

Redskins is racial, but not racist.

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Just my opinion -- and I certainly understand a lot of what you're saying -- but I think it's a fight we can't win.

 

The NFL will make Snyder change the name at some point if he doesn't on his own. 

 

Again, understand a lot of what you're saying though. 

 

Starting to feel this way as well. How much money is Snyder willing to spend on this? At some point he's just going to have to throw in the towel. I think we all thought this would eventually die down, but this time, it doesn't look like it's going anywhere.

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You don't understand. There is NO getting it over with. If we do change the name it will validate their cause and many, the local media especially, will keep hammering it in long after. They won't redeem us for doing it, they'll further villify us. We've seen it already with Marshall and how all he's remembered for mainly is being last to integrate. We are the scapegoat for past racism that the entire NFL did. We'll be the new scapegoat for racism in sports. 

 

I'm not sure where you are going with this Marshall thing. Is he being treated unfairly in death?

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Just my opinion -- and I certainly understand a lot of what you're saying -- but I think it's a fight we can't win.

 

The NFL will make Snyder change the name at some point if he doesn't on his own. 

 

Again, understand a lot of what you're saying though. 

 

What makes you think the NFL will "make" Snyder change the name?

 

My guess is that if that WERE to happen, it will be long after Snyder--and pretty much everyone on this site--is long dead. The whole "the name change is inevitable" mindset is not born out of reality, it's born out of repetition. We're Skins fans so we hear pretty much every morsel of news about the name, no matter how large or small. 90% of the rest of the country, though, won't see the ad and, if they do see it, it won't stick with them. Just as the majority of Native Americans have far more to worry about and deal with than a sports team's name, so does every other American citizen. 80% of all Americans don't give a rat's ass about the name anyway...there will be a small vocal minority who will use the commercial as a jumping-off point, and as Skins fans we'll swear the entire country is behind the name change because we'll hear, read and see every single bit of it. San Diego Chargers fans will barely have it register on their radar, though. Same with Bills fans.

 

The Redskins, believe it or not, have legal rights and facts on their side. Their opposition has populist rhetoric on their's. This issue isn't anywhere close to being "inevitable".

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Just my opinion -- and I certainly understand a lot of what you're saying -- but I think it's a fight we can't win.

 

The NFL will make Snyder change the name at some point if he doesn't on his own. 

 

Again, understand a lot of what you're saying though. 

From what I understand, the NFL doesn't want the name to change either.  Our brand generates too much revenue for the league and nobody wants to jeopardize that.  That's why the league has paid for any legal fees involved with this topic in the past.

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From what I understand, the NFL doesn't want the name to change either.  Our brand generates too much revenue for the league and nobody wants to jeopardize that.  That's why the league has paid for any legal fees involved with this topic in the past.

 

And of course even bad press is still press.  ;)

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From what I understand, the NFL doesn't want the name to change either.  Our brand generates too much revenue for the league and nobody wants to jeopardize that.  That's why the league has paid for any legal fees involved with this topic in the past.

 

Who knows? I just think the annoying outcry is going to get louder and louder, especially if we end up in the playoffs or something. 

 

Certainly the Skins PR team isn't making things any better.

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Why not hold a protest at their casino....

 

Casino Gambling Ruins Lives!!!!!

 

Just saying :P

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Ignore the noise, keep the name until a vast majority of NA say there is an issue. Who really cares if Government Officials with 20% approval rating have an issue with it. They speak for no one but their own selfish agendas. I can think of one million more important issues at hand than the name of a football team. That is all.

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Certainly the Skins PR team isn't making things any better.

 

I think this is the biggest problem. A competent PR team could try and spin this in our favor a little. Instead, we have a PR team filled with idiots who have done zippy to try and put a positive spin on the debate. Feel like the PR team has been far more reactive than proactive and it's starting to be too late.

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For years I thought they could have gotten in front of the issue.

I would separate the imagery issue from the name issue.

Keep the imagery but change the name to reflect the positive intent of organization towards native americans.

Done and done.

 

I don't understand the notion that fans would stop supporting the team if the name was changed.

I know I wouldn't.

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This is from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Take it with a grain of salt because it is from 1995, which, gulp, is quite a while ago. But, it does emphasize what I was getting at earlier.  I have read lately that the split is closer to 50/50 (American Indian vs. Native American), however I do not see any polls confirming that.

http://www.census.gov/prod/2/gen/96arc/ivatuck.pdf

Racial Identification by panel, May 1995
American Indians
American Indian 49.76
Alaska Native 3.51
Native American 37.35
Some Other Term 3.66
No Preference 5.72
Total 100.00

 

and this is really ridiculous.  I have been called "White" my whole life.  Sometimes it was meant disparagingly, more often than not it was not.


Shut up white boy! :)

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I think this is the biggest problem. A competent PR team could try and spin this in our favor a little. Instead, we have a PR team filled with idiots who have done zippy to try and put a positive spin on the debate. Feel like the PR team has been far more reactive than proactive and it's starting to be too late.

 

Your observation Matt is why I believe PR big wigs like Frank Luntz have quietly crept away from Ashburn, shortly after their initial hiring.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if ownership has overridden the suggestions and advice of competent PR professionals like him. Idk if Luntz is still on the payroll, but you gotta figure even the most seasoned of PR vets have their limits when it comes to this org. 

 

 

Edit: A search shows that Luntz is still with the team. But more (new) PR people are on board as of today.

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Your observation Matt is why I believe PR big wigs like Frank Luntz have quietly crept away from Ashburn, shortly after their initial hiring.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if ownership has overridden the suggestions and advice of competent PR professionals like him. Idk if Luntz is still on the payroll, but you gotta figure even the most seasoned of PR vets have their limits when it comes to this org. 

 

Could be right. I just don't know why Snyder hasn't gone out and just thrown a bunch of money at a top PR firm and let them take over. I pretty much cringe anytime I hear the Skins have a press release. I just have no idea what they're going to come up with next.

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