GibbsFactor Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 a vocal, persistent minority who has managed to convince white and black 'jounalists' that their brethren are too stupid to understand when they are being insulted? gibbs, are you questioning the polls, or are you saying the should be changed even if the polls are accurate? I'm saying I don't think the polls mean anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I'm saying I don't think the polls mean anything. Facts don't either. Once the media is involved, they REALLY don't matter. there's Good PR in the water. .. i mean, blood.. uh,, of course. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I'm saying I don't think the polls mean anything. i think you lost me. how could they not mean anything? native americans opinions really dont matter? at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Stupid Loser Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 i think you lost me. how could they not mean anything? native americans opinions really dont matter? at all? The only opinions that matter are those that agree with irrational liberalism. They will shout down the rest, loudly, and get their way. It will make the world so much better and all the stupid people with the wrong opinions (or facts) will see how much better in time. They will get their name change and then the perpetually offended will move on to a new reason to be offended. Its a lifestyle or a personality disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mentallyinept Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The bottom line to me is the following. The argument against the name is easy, obvious, simple, and fundamentally incorrect. The argument for the name is nuanced, complex, and ultimately true. This is America. People take the easy, obvious, and fallacious evidence/argument every single time. I think a name change is inevitable. *snip* This is what it has come down to. Sadly I'm starting to think you are right and that we are going to lose the name eventually due to the constant spread of false equivalencies (Native American history = African American History, Redskin = N****r, etc.), false dichotomies (You're against the name or you are racist), and cherry picked history (etymology of the word Redskin, George Preston Marshall hated black people, therefore he hates all races, therefore the name is racist, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Sinister Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 The NFL is not just annoying. It's corrupt. Like Big Tobacco. It's also a farce that stole 36 million dollars and 36 million in cap space from us, then gave that money to all of our competitors, all because we didn't participate in a collusion. I've stopped watching everything but the Redskins too. The only reason I still watch any games at all is habit. And wanting to see RGIII play. I agree. I Iong held the opinion that College football was far more corrupt and greedy, but I finally woke up. I'm now to the point where I'd give anything to see them crash and burn because of it. They've got so many corporations and fans byt he strings that it's not even funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sticksboi05 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 You guys keep producing polls and you keep saying that most people are in favor of the name. That's great! Why isn't it working, like, at all? If polls showed that 75% of Americans and 68% of Native Americans opposed the name, there would already be preparations to change it. Public opinion absolutely matters, especially that of Native Americans. When they speak out, more people come out on their behalf and if public opinion begins affecting Dan's pocketbooks you can bet for damn sure the change will be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I've said it once, I'll say it a million times! Red Mesa High School in Arizona, a Navajo Reservation school. Redskin Pride baby!!!! http://www.rmusd.net/education/components/layout/default.php?sectiondetailid=944& Keepin' It Rez 89.7 FM Redskin Radio http://www.rmusd.net/education/components/scrapbook/default.php?sectiondetailid=497& Stupid natives don't they know that they're calling themselves the N-word! Quick send Bobbie Costas out there to educate those savages! What needs to happen is for a school like this to invite Costas and Jenkins and Wise and other writes to come and explain to these kids why they are offended, and don't even know it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 NBC should be ashamed for letting him go on his little man rant. I'm going to send a complaint email and I recommend that you guys do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 i think you lost me. how could they not mean anything? native americans opinions really dont matter? at all? If they did, why are we still talking about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 If they did, why are we still talking about this? gibbs, i'm really trying to follow you but i'm not sure i'm getting your argument. you want the name changed why? because some native americans say its offensive? tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grhqofb5 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 gibbs, i'm really trying to follow you but i'm not sure i'm getting your argument. you want the name changed why? because some native americans say its offensive? tell me. I think what he is saying is that, if the opinions of native americans on this issue actually mattered, it would not be an "issue" and the name would stay. But their opinion doesn't matter at all, as we've come to learn, most particularly over the past couple months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 gibbs, i'm really trying to follow you but i'm not sure i'm getting your argument. you want the name changed why? because some native americans say its offensive? tell me. I don't want the name changed. I'd love it if the name went back to being what it is. An NFL team name. Case closed. However, I see the writing on the wall and we just don't have any room to stand. Public opinion is that the name is somewhat racist. Even if no one is offended, the way it's worded isn't acceptable any longer. Red Skins. It sounds like it's categorizing a group of people by the color of their skin. That's simply more than frowned upon in today's world of diversity. It doesn't matter if anyone is offended. It doesn't matter what the original intent of the word was. It doesn't matter how many reservation High Schools have the same mascot. Public opinion is that the name groups people together due to their skin color. It may be completely wrong. But it isn't changing. The snowball is coming down the mountain side and it's just gathering more snow. I think we are all on the wrong end of this one and I'm just trying to embrace a change because I think it's inevitable at this point. Plus, I'm tired of people saying the name of the team I care so much for is bad, negative and racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I don't want the name changed. I'd love it if the name went back to being what it is. An NFL team name. Case closed. However, I see the writing on the wall and we just don't have any room to stand. Public opinion is that the name is somewhat racist. Even if no one is offended, the way it's worded isn't acceptable any longer. Red Skins. It sounds like it's categorizing a group of people by the color of their skin. That's simply more than frowned upon in today's world of diversity. It doesn't matter if anyone is offended. It doesn't matter what the original intent of the word was. It doesn't matter how many reservation High Schools have the same mascot. Public opinion is that the name groups people together due to their skin color. It may be completely wrong. But it isn't changing. The snowball is coming down the mountain side and it's just gathering more snow. I think we are all on the wrong end of this one and I'm just trying to embrace a change because I think it's inevitable at this point. Plus, I'm tired of people saying the name of the team I care so much for is bad, negative and racist. Here... study up on where the name came from... http://anthropology.si.edu/goddard/redskin.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Can we just become the Washington okla hummas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Ok. I've read some other posts before and wasn't sure if this was your position, but it sounds like you're saying that "redskins" since it refers to native Americans, had to be changed. I don't think "grouping people together by the color of their skin" is what some people are upset about. If that were the case, "black", "white" would be unacceptable. The debate about the name is about the name being a slur, according to some- not about grouping people together. Does that make sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I can't take credit for this. I forgot to quote the source: Christian Bible, in the Book of Revelations Ch. 21 Verse 4 I know, I still love it. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 It doesnt make sense because it's not used as a slur. Can you (or anyone) find any evidence that it's been used as a slur in the past 50 years? Or past 100? The term means one thing- the name of the Washington football team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 If they did, why are we still talking about this? Simple The people who can't find legitimate proof to back up their case...refuse to back down. Edit: or support from the people they are trying to defend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 You know, it's funny...it's not okay to name a team after Native Americans (Redskins) but it IS okay to name them after people who made a reputation of killing them (Cowboys). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grego Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 It doesnt make sense because it's not used as a slur. Can you (or anyone) find any evidence that it's been used as a slur in the past 50 years? Or past 100? The term means one thing- the name of the Washington football team. I agree with you. I was saying that some people are saying it is a slur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I agree with you. I was saying that some people are saying it is a slur. Actually, I think some people are claiming that other people SHOULD consider it a slur. And even if some did, what does that matter. If I was offended by another teams name, should they have to change it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander PK Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 Ok, I can't stand this any longer. If people are going to continue to use the word "racist" they at least need to know what the definition is. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/racist?s=ts rac·ist [rey-sist] Show IPA noun 1. a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others. and for good measure http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/prejudice?s=t prej·u·dice [prej-uh-dis] Show IPA noun, verb, prej·u·diced, prej·u·dic·ing. noun 1. an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason. 2.any preconceived opinion or feeling, either favorable or unfavorable. 3.unreasonable feelings, opinions, or attitudes, especially of a hostile nature, regarding a racial,religious, or national group. 4. such attitudes considered collectively: The war against prejudice is never-ending. 5. damage or injury; detriment: a law that operated to the prejudice of the major at the most the name "Redskins" is racially insensitive, but it is not inherently "racist" nor is it evidence of "prejudice." People who are going to use those words against the team need to at least understand what they mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjunkies Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 My great great great grandfather was eaten by a bear while he was hunting in Chicago. I demand that they change their name immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 14, 2013 Share Posted October 14, 2013 I believe the nickname "Patriots" encourages outdated nationalistic attitudes and American Exceptionalism. In this more globally aware 21st century, we shouldn't be encouraging such worldviews. I demand they change it right now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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