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17 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

Instead Snyder's statement amounts to "The sponsors are making me do this, so fine". 

 

Well, Snyder is an asshole--but no other NFL team is going to make this change out of the goodness of their hearts. They'll just be better at pretending it is.

 

And Adam Schefter, who isn't an asshole like Snyder or Kellerman, said he expects the name to drop this week.

5 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Washington will keep its current name until it has a new name. So when will it have a new name?

That hinges in large part on the ability to secure federal trademark protection for the new name and video. As explained on Sunday, trademark squatters have complicated the issue.

Martin McCaulay currently has secured (or tried to secure) the following names in recent years: Americans, Bravehearts, Federals, Forces, Founders, Gladiators, Monuments, Natives, Pandas, Pigskins, Red-Tailed Hawks, Renegades, Sharks, Veterans, Tribe, Redtails, Monuments Veterans, Renegades, Red-Tailed Hawks, Americans, and Red Wolves.

As of 2015, McCaulay said that he’d spent $20,000 on the effort to secure trademark rights to alternative names. In an unverified Twitter account (which nevertheless seems to be legitimate), McCaulay claims he has offered to give the teams the trademarks at no cost.

“Started out because I thought it would be funny to register Washington Pigskins then this unusual hobby of mine got out of control,” McCaulay tweeted on Sunday night. “I am a fan of watching the team on TV and went to one game last year. It is not meant to be adversarial.”

McCaulay notes that one option that has emerged in recent days — Red Wolves — currently is the subject of litigation between a Chattanooga soccer team and Arkansas State University.

However it plays out, it’s not going to be cheap and it’s not going to be easy and frankly it’s Daniel Snyder’s own fault for waiting this long to do what needed to be done to lay the foundation for a new name.

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/07/13/trademark-issue-complicates-washingtons-name-change/

 

Oh Florio is chiming in...

 

 

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I held off as long as possible.

 

Being a Washington Redskins fan is difficult in an age with no team named the Washington Redskins.   In that every football memory and joy and passion I've had has surrounded the Washington Redskins, having it disappear is a bit of a jolt.   The Redskins were my fall calendar.   They were on.   I was in front of a TV.   I was not an NFL fan.   I was a fan of the Redskins and when they did well, I watched a TON of NFL content.   And when they did poorly, I just watched the Redskins and pouted until the next game :).

I will always have fond memories of my life as a fan of the Washington Redskins fan and I would never leave the Washington Redskins.   But, like so many ex-wives (if you're like me you can collect them and number them) they left me.   So as with everyone we now start a new journey with a new team.   Whether the Washington SOMETHINGS or something other.   We get to fit new memories associated with a new name and new logo and new era inside our fan passion.   I suspect this era will fail to achieve the moments of the Redskins era, but, I'll do what I can to have fun at least.

For me, I'll be moving on to my local team of the past 20 years I have openly hated, the Vikings, because, they are local, I don't actually care, and my kids can probably tolerate being around me on game days as I won't really care :).   I will dabble with an AFC option too.   The Texans, as my nephew is there and if I can like them any it is a good thing to bond over instead of having me threaten to burn his Texans gear all the time.

Being an EXTREME SKINS fan has been a wonderful part of my memories, even as it's not something I've been quite as much of as children have required more and more time.   But I'll miss some of you here and the personalities and the exchanges.   Today I retire from all things associated with my favorite team, the Washington Redskins, as the Washington Redskins have informed me they are, indeed, gone.   I will hold out a tiny bit of hope the trademark holder of the new name is a fan like us and holds Snyder hostage for 10 years of trademark fighting, forcing him to keep the team at least one more year, like good break up sex, only over six months.

Hail to the Redskins.   You will always be MY team.

To those of you who move on with the linear organization, enjoy and good luck.   I'll always have a soft spot for that team.

To those moving on somewhere else, good luck.   If you enter the Vikings realm, give me a shout.   I'm sure I'll be around.   

I don't know how to delete from here, but this will be my final visit to a Redskin forum.   

Best wishes to you all.   Goodbye my Redskins :).

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good morning vietnam--wow, a lot of activity here of course and imv the majority of the posting is great (not saying that based solely on whether you're pro or anti change)

but first, on the other side of that coin: dear @THE HAMMER'IN HOG  your most recent post in here will be your last screed (post) in this thread--this is your curtain call so excuse yourself from the thread...maybe soon there will be a new name thread and you can try that :) 
 
now the rest of this is long and was mainly written yesterday and much of the thread dialogue has moved on from in-depth discussion on what it goes into length on, so you should skip reading this if length or "the way i write" (any of the 'ways', as there's more than one) is an issue for you :) 
 
 
i was kinda surprised on gmfb today to see nate literally applaud the change saying it was long overdue, and kyle brandt really went to to town on the matter and  expressed amazement that some were so resistant and how he couldn't see any good argument from anyone for keeping in the name (he was emphatic and detailed)
 
first, i think anyone hanging their hats heavily on 'these two polls' as major points of support (<---note wording) for 'either side'...you should stop it...you come off as under-informed in such matters and biased on the topic to people who really understand using valid research (which includes amount and nature of type available) properly in forming a conclusion in social science or 'hard' science (i won't be replying to any reply posts defending doing it)
 
a reminder: i said in an earlier post that for most of my life i made all the classic arguments for keeping the name/imagery (which i loved and meant a lot to me, emo-wise) when the matter arose, until this last decade when it began "weakening" objectively, though emo-wise i was still loving/celebrating it all with good intentions (yeah, a tricky phrase)
 
some people, understandably, keep talking about "how many does it take" in terms of native americans objecting to it for it to carry enough water with name-keepers
 
well, rather than focusing on a non-existent body of sufficiently broad, valid, and substantive research of "how many favor it vs not"  let frame the matter another way: if you're in the "i'm extremely upset over this and wish we were fighting to keep the name" camp, consider the following anecdotal comments and information in relation to your views
 
though i've had close enough personal  involvement with a fair share of indigenous peoples and their cultures growing up in ak and living in the pac nw, it was my work in my later life that took me deeper into several tribes and found me, as  i sated in that earlier post, meeting more and more n/a people who either did not like our usages or were just "resigned" to them as it was often a comparatively small thing  compared to other issues they face and there are so many of those other issues
 
and there were still a few that liked it too (not unlike our own kosher ham, if i got his take right), but it was a notable minority, and to be clear the topic only came up maybe 80-100 times in that ten-year stint of mine...but while large on one hand, this is still a comparatively small regional pool of a very diverse demographic once you explore tribal diffs/identities vs. their greater unity when it comes to dealing with "us" (white people running things)
 
so as a matter of self exploration, ask how/if it would affect you if you personally talked with a few dozen different n/a people over an extended course of time and in different locales who were decent, fine, enjoyable folk and they told you with sincerity and in reasonable manner how it did hurt/offend/bother them to see the usage even if many "mean well" by using it and those using it as such have a "positive attitude" towards native americans
 
would it "count" and how much vs your reasons for wanting to keep the name? would you still turn to 'polls' to defend? would those face-to-face talks be "outvoted" and "dismissed" as less decisive in your analysis if you talked to other n/as who liked it?...is it numbers that the 'principle' in question for the defense of keeping based on numbers to a large extent? that's just one place to begin, if interested
 
most of these interactions i refer to included those folks believing that most redskins fans didn't mean ill by it, and such fans did indeed "like stuff" about n/a people...but it was still an ignorant, superficial, self-serving kind of 'like' and mainly comprised of white people's imaginings of cookie-cutter warring figures made alluring so we could claim some shared identification that puffed us up in our own heads...underdog noble fighters, and here i speak for myself, too, as a kid especially...just like cowboys and raiders and vikings do their 'imagined glory' thing, imagery/role wise
 
but all that fan 'celebration of n/a culture' appears as just a really narrow sliver of romanticized focus and really just for the appropriation---a good word for this---of we fans (cue endless pics white guys dressed, often in caricatured manner and acting like fools, as 'indians'....maybe that's another version of blackface)
 
how many 'cultural-adoring' fans actually invest anything of their time or energy to real n/a issues let alone actively advocate for them, or even just bother to look into such...how much of that has been any part of being a redskins fan who "loves and celebrates" native americans for how many fans?
 
i suggest that for the vast majority of us it's simply the 'coolness' of the imagined courageous and noble and brave, oft underdog, warrior role we love and want to see in ourselves and our team and that's the beginning/end and 99% of the journey in-between...and we fluff the imagery up in our heads with all kinds of self-identity desires
 
to those who insist (sometimes screaming it) it's all about principle and what is and isn't fair/right ...that's mostly self-delusional bull****, even given that some claims in opposition to the name usage are indeed false or weak in some manner, or that many of the people picking up the anti-name banner are supercritical themselves in their embrace of this issue...and i'll give you just one 'for instance' in support of my 'bs that it's principle' remark: 
 
the tailgate is always populated with serious topics that involves all the 'principles' you could think of, yet some who are rarely or never seen on all the other very big issues post in quite animated (even frothy) manner, and repeatedly on this one...so the observable realty is that some are not so moved to share impassioned takes on all those other serious matters involving principles, but when it comes to the 'branding' of their football team they are very activated to go big, go hard, and go often
 
there is indeed some principle involved with most everyone's serious takes, but there's a lot of other things too
 
 
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12 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

On the other hand, if you want to bash a media member today, I present this nonsense for consideration

 

 

Yep. The kind of **** I hate. Ill-informed, lazy rhetoric knows no political boundaries. 

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3 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

 

McCaulay notes that one option that has emerged in recent days — Red Wolves — currently is the subject of litigation between a Chattanooga soccer team and Arkansas State University.

 

I don't have a legal background, so I'm hoping someone can explain this to me.  How can a team mascot be trademarked (without the city)?  There are tons of different teams at all levels with mascots of Eagles, Tigers, Cardinals, etc.  I understand that you can't use "Chattanooga Red Wolves" but it seems like "________________ Red Wolves" should be fair game. 

 

Just trying to understand. Thanks.

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3 hours ago, dckey said:

Can someone (MODS) tell me what will happen to this site, once the name changes?    

 

We all get sucked into the Soul Stone where Snyder can't hurt us anymore.

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Why would anyone insist on having DC as part of the name? Washington incorporates all of the DMV. Most of you don't ( or have never) even live in DC. 

They are not called the DC Wizards, The DC Nationals, THE DC Mystics, The DC Capitals... You have DC United...and very few people care. 

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9 minutes ago, Art said:

 

Best wishes to you all.   Goodbye my Redskins :).

No sarcastic quip...just be well @Art never got to meet you in person but always enjoyed reading your posts and banter.

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Dan Snyder in 2013: "We'll never change the name," he said. "It's that simple. NEVER — you can use caps."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/redskins/2013/05/09/washington-redskins-daniel-snyder/2148127/

Dan - you are a liar, a coward, and a little p***y.  May the entire NFL rot.  Never another penny from me.

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23 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

However it plays out, it’s not going to be cheap and it’s not going to be easy and frankly it’s Daniel Snyder’s own fault for waiting this long to do what needed to be done to lay the foundation for a new name.

Let me guess, Florio?  (Clicks on link even though I didn't want to).  Yep.  Florio.  As much as I dislike Snyder for ruining the team I love, the venom Florio has for him, as somebody who is not a fan of the team, is somewhat remarkable.  I wish a DEEP paper cut with LOTS of lemon juice poured on it to Florio.  

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35 minutes ago, Rufus T Firefly said:

On the other hand, if you want to bash a media member today, I present this nonsense for consideration:

I was thinking about tweeting some logic and reason, and just a little knowledge his direction.  Then I thought, there's just no point.  I wish him a slightly less deep paper cut with only a moderate amount of lemon juice poured on it.  

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Hot take: people care waaaay too much about a team name

 

I just wanna watch Chase Young and see if Haskins sucks or not. I watch sports cause I enjoy watching sports. I don't watch them cause a team name makes me gushy.

 

And I follow the local teams cause this is my home. Washington is what matters, not Redskins. 

 

But that's just me

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3 minutes ago, DoneMessedUp said:

Hot take: people care waaaay too much about a team name

 

I just wanna watch Chase Young and see if Haskins sucks or not. I watch sports cause I enjoy watching sports. I don't watch them cause a team name makes me gushy.

 

And I follow the local teams cause this is my home. Washington is what matters, not Redskins. 

 

But that's just me

Now you actually DONE MESSED UP.  They are coming after "Washington" next. 

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Just now, Malapropismic Depository said:

So, what was this reported "extra breaking news" or bomshell, that was supposed to happen today besides the name stuff, that was supposed to be "super scandalous" ?

Apparently that rainbow trout are driving cars in car washes now...

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