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http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/civil-rights-group-closely-allied-with-the-nfl-calls-for-the-redskins-to-change-its-name/2015/01/18/d8c692ce-9cfe-11e4-bcfb-059ec7a93ddc_story.html?hpid=z3

 


 

After failing for months to persuade Washington Redskins owner Daniel Snyder to meet with Native Americans opposed to the team’s name, a prominent civil rights organization that works closely with the National Football League is calling for the moniker to change.

 

Leaders of the Fritz Pollard Alliance — an influential nonprofit group that was instrumental in forcing the league to revise its minority-hiring practices — said they tried to discuss the issue with Snyder at an intense August meeting. Instead, they said, they were shouted down by the executive director of the foundation he created to help Native Americans.

 

 

Interesting article - especially the part about the hostile meeting in August. Once again, Dan Snyder made his fortune in Marketing.

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Interesting article - especially the part about the hostile meeting in August. Once again, Dan Snyder made his fortune in Marketing.

 

The article reported one side of the story, as usual. Maske didn't write that he reached out to Edwards and was denied comment. The Fritz Pollard guy did say he left the meeting impressed at all Snyder and his foundation were doing for NAs. But all we get is that the Redskins shouted down the civil rights activists. This is just another thinly veiled hit piece by the WP.

 

And why is it important that Snyder sit down with the name changers? He already knows their position. It would only serve to further their goals and diminish Snyder. I wouldn't give them the press.

 

I also wonder if the Fritz Pollard people are okay with Halbritter evicting women and children leaving them homeless. I wonder if in their zeal for civil rights justice if they bothered to research the fact that Halbritter terrorizes his political enemies as he destroys their lives? Maybe someone over at Fritz Pollard should ask Maisie Shenandoah what she thinks about Ray Halbritter?

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Hey, lets sit on a story for almost 5 months. The master plan is being executed to perfection... Excellent

I'm starting to think the 80s Giants really have no genuine interest in name change, they just truly hate Redskins (football club) ;)

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The article reported one side of the story, as usual. Maske didn't write that he reached out to Edwards and was denied comment.

The article did include this "Edwards could not be reached for comment Sunday night through a team spokesman". Not that it matters when the knee jerk reaction to every bit of news opposite your position is the intellectually lazy position that the media is out to get you.

On the bright side for those wanting to keep the name, this issue has lost all of its energy in the press. It will be back but for now this new position from this civil rights group isn't going to change anything.

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The article did include this "Edwards could not be reached for comment Sunday night through a team spokesman". Not that it matters when the knee jerk reaction to every bit of news opposite your position is the intellectually lazy position that the media is out to get you.

On the bright side for those wanting to keep the name, this issue has lost all of its energy in the press. It will be back but for now this new position from this civil rights group isn't going to change anything.

Maske could have waited to get a comment before going to press. Is that too much to ask?

And I don't think that characterizing the WP as wholly in the name change camp is intellectually lazy. I don't think I've read an article that paints the Redskins name in a favorable light in the Post ever. They have been openly hostile to the Redskins since Snyder took over.

I also don't think it intellectually lazy to question the media's motives when they trot out Ray Halbritter to represent the poor, aggrieved Native Americans. The man sells Smokin' Joe cigarettes with the picture of a Plains chief on the pack while founding the "Change the Mascot" organization because Natives as mascots "hurts the children." He is a hypocrite who evicted families and bulldozed their homes to make way for his casino. He really cares about Native civil rights, I'm sure.

And this is the man that Harjo and Blackhorse have allied themselves with in their fight against Native imagery in popular American culture. The intellectually lazy among us are the media who are so consumed with their crusade against the Redskins name that they fail to investigate their sources. But we know that politics makes for strange bedfellows.

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Ok, you don't need to read this whole list, just read number one. Then I suggest you read the comments, I think its pretty telling what side the people are on.

http://www.cracked.com/quick-fixes/6-stupid-tweets-that-became-huge-pr-nightmares-companies/

So we should look to the comments section of cracked.com to find the pulse of the nation on the issue? What I saw predominantly was the usual back and forth accusations of "libtard" and "racist", neither of which are usually accurate. Not a fan of the piece either, with its "the Redskins are horrible for wishing people a Happy Thanksgiving, because Thanksgiving is inappropriate like the name, and, by the way, could you pass the the turkey and grab me a beer".

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The Native American Congress and Halbritter have released a new ad for the super bowl. It is really bad--it's not interesting and really reaching at this point. To save you the time, it shows the 76 yard run by Griffin against the Vikes 2 years ago--only the Redskin emblem is removed and it's just a white circle. It ends with "without the name, it's still Washington football." Dumb.

 

But the rub is--they did not use the NFL's permission to use the footage. Now, knowing Snyder, he'll make a big deal out of this. But, really, they should do nothing, and let the league handle it anyway it sees fit.

 

The less we do, the better.

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First thing I noticed is 'comments disabled'  You would think that they would want discussion on the topic.

 

Super Bowls Ad Cost this year is about 4.5 million.  I guess they couldn't think of anyone that could use help.  They are fighting the good fight, take down the name and poverty, alcoholism, suicide, and education will take care of themselves.

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To me, this seems to be an acknowledgement that the name-change side understands that they are trying to put out an inferno with a squirt gun. Instead of going on the attack, it is more nuanced reasoning with things like "see everyone, you get to keep your football in DC...just change the logo/name for us." 

 

Who knows, but this seems like a softer message than in the past. 

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Tribe fighting Redskins name builds casino honoring racist Wizard of Oz author

 

The Native American tribe leading the movement to change the name of the Washington Redskins plans to open a $20 million casino that pays homage to the work of L. Frank Baum, who was born in this village outside Syracuse and later wrote “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz.”
 

Just one problem with the Oneida Indian Nation’s Yellow Brick Road Casino: A decade before Baum wrote one of this country’s most celebrated children’s tales, he campaigned for a Native American genocide.

 

“The Whites, by law of conquest, by justice of civilization, are masters of the American continent, and the best safety of the frontier settlements will be secured by the total annihilation of the few remaining Indians,” he wrote in late 1890 for the Aberdeen Saturday Pioneer in South Dakota. “Why not annihilation? Their glory has fled, their spirit broken, their manhood effaced; it’s better that they should die than live the miserable wretches that they are.”

 

Two weeks later, Baum, the newspaper’s publisher, reiterated his point in an editorial written after the slaughter of as many as 300 Sioux at Wounded Knee. He demanded that the U.S. government “wipe these untamed and untamable creatures from the face of the earth.”

 

So why would the Oneida — a small tribe that has condemned the Redskins for a name they consider patently racist — embrace the legacy of a writer whose own descendants have apologized for his patent racism?

 

That apology is the reason, said Oneida leader Ray Halbritter, calling the tribe’s future casino the product of reconciliation.

 

“I think that’s a wonderful message — that we’re able to overcome by repentance and by forgiveness,” Halbritter said. “It’s looking forward rather than backward.”

 

But some Native Americans have voiced astonishment over the tribute to Baum.

 

Ernestine Chasing Hawk, a descendant of the Wounded Knee victims, called the Oneida’s decision a betrayal.

 

“How can they be so ignorant of history and traitors to their own race?” she asked in an essay published in the Native American Times. “Would the Jews build a casino to honor Adolph Hitler?”

 

(NOW GET THIS PART LOL!!!)

 

Halbritter insisted that the homage does not represent a “whitewashing of Baum’s writings,” but noted that his popular stories have noble themes and, obviously, immense commercial appeal.

 

“We are aware that some people have difficulty separating the good from the bad,” he said. “I think we can separate and try to extract the good and focus on the good.”

 

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tribe-fighting-redskins-name-builds-casino-honoring-racist-wizard-of-oz-author/2015/02/06/9d779c62-ac9f-11e4-ad71-7b9eba0f87d6_story.html

 

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Noble themes and immense commercial appeal...that could easily describe the Redskins lol...And separate and extract the good from the bad and focus on the good?...Again, sounds like something you could do with the Redskins lol. Alas, the Skins aren't bringing Halbritter or his casinos any money, so...

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Finished my Hogs Designs. If the Government won't let The Redskins keep their name they may allow the name Red Skin as two separate words. Then call the whole Team the Hogs and not just the Offensive line. Washington Red Skin Hogspost-169067-0-54614700-1424062337_thumb.

 


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