AsburySkinsFan Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) Red Man is not a racial slur. Neither is White Man or Black Man. Try again... Neither is Redskins, unless your contention is going to be that the nice people of Red Mesa Arizona decided to name their high school mascot a racial slur against themselves. Likelihood: slim press release http://files.redskins.com/pdf/Statement-by-Bob-Raskopf-Trademark-Attorney-for-the-Washington-Redskins.pdf "In today’s ruling, the Board’s Marc Bergsman agreed, concluding in his dissenting opinion: It is astounding that the petitioners did not submit any evidence regarding the Native American population during the relevant time frame, nor did they introduce any evidence or argument as towhat comprises a substantial composite of that population thereby leaving it to the majority to make petitioner’s case have some semblance of meaning." Edited June 18, 2014 by AsburySkinsFan 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Chew Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) I still don't understand how this is sucha big deal. its the name of a sports team. Most Native Americans don't care either way. Majority of the people behind the "change the name" movement are tree hugging, composting, non-prescription glasses wearing, vegetarian white people. Most of which probably don't even watch or care about football. But #Redskinsracist is trending these days so all the hipsters are fighting the good fight. Edited June 18, 2014 by Chew 1 Link to post Share on other sites
GibbsFactor Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 @bi_politics: Experts agree loss of Redskins trademarks will have little impact on the team http://bit.ly/1pg88Y6 Link to post Share on other sites
mammajamma Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 press release http://files.redskins.com/pdf/Statement-by-Bob-Raskopf-Trademark-Attorney-for-the-Washington-Redskins.pdf As I said, this ruling doesnt really mean much Link to post Share on other sites
justice98 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 This is directed at nobody in particular, just a general musing; It never ceases to amaze me the amount of Redskins fans so readily willing to accept the agenda filled bigotry from the minority and concede defeat on OUR name (which should never be an issue to start with); or worse actually agree with the minority. I find that both more frustrating, and in the latter case HIGHLY insulting; coming from fellow fans of our team. Washington REDSKINS. It's our identity. It's our heritage. It's our team. It's our NAME. Change the name, you lose a MASSIVE part of who we are and what we've achieved over the years. Keep fighting and stonewalling Danny. Appeal thi latest B/S and make the minority agenda filled biggots, who are EVERY bit as racist as they claim our proud heritage is; rue every last cent they've spent on this legal disgrace. Washington REDSKINS for EVER! Hail. No, that's not melodramatic at all. Goodness gracious. It is a football team, right? It's not something more than that? lol So, if they changed the name and logo, you wouldn't claim the history of the franchise? It will have been "lost" forever? Did you not watch the games, do you not still have fond memories of the glory days, the wins, the losses, going to games, the players, etc? You were there, the history is the history, it's permanent, it's not going anywhere. As far as I'm concerned, it'd still be the same team, just a different look. I live and die with every play of this franchise, but I refuse to blow my stack over what it's called. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
GoldSkinner Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Let's just do what the North Dakota Fighting Sioux did... Drop the nickname. Drop Redskins and we will just be Washington. Except they're prohibited from having a new team name until next year, so it's not like they have much of a choice. Link to post Share on other sites
TryTheBeal! Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Neither is Redskins, unless your contention is going to be that the nice people of Red Mesa Arizona decided to name their high school mascot a racial slur against themselves. Likelihood: slim press release http://files.redskins.com/pdf/Statement-by-Bob-Raskopf-Trademark-Attorney-for-the-Washington-Redskins.pdf I applaud Red Mesa High School for doing what they think is best for them. I think the best thing for the Redskins going into the future is to strongly consider changing the nickname and be pro-active doing it. Link to post Share on other sites
DM72 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) How is Warriors less offesnive than Redskins? That name too will have to change in time. I don't hear anyone calling out the Golden State Warriors. Edited June 18, 2014 by DM72 1 Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWolf990 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 No, that's not melodramatic at all. Goodness gracious. It is a football team, right? It's not something more than that? lol So, if they changed the name and logo, you wouldn't claim the history of the franchise? It will have been "lost" forever? Did you not watch the games, do you not still have fond memories of the glory days, the wins, the losses, going to games, the players, etc? You were there, the history is the history, it's permanent, it's not going anywhere. As far as I'm concerned, it'd still be the same team, just a different look. I live and die with every play of this franchise, but I refuse to blow my stack over what it's called. exactly how much of a fan were you in the first place if a name change will make you reconsider? Link to post Share on other sites
ncr2h Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The following trademarks are currently in force, per the Trademark Electronic Search System at tmsearch.uspto.gov: - figgas over niggas - sluts - the jew claw - authentic redneck I was going to write a warning at the beginning of my post to warn people that they might see some offensive language, but clearly these highly regarded names have already passed the scrutiny of the trademark office so they are squeeky clean. Link to post Share on other sites
AsburySkinsFan Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) I applaud Red Mesa High School for doing what they think is best for them. I think the best thing for the Redskins going into the future is to strongly consider changing the nickname and be pro-active doing it.Oh no you don't, you said it was a racial slur. You offered zero qualifications nor disclaimers for that claim. Is it your stance that the Navajo at Red Mesa have willingly and knowingly adopted a mascot name that is to them and their people is a racial slur? Edited June 18, 2014 by AsburySkinsFan 2 Link to post Share on other sites
War Paint Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 This really has nothing to do with modern-style political labeling. It's really a battle between those with an eye to the future and those who wish to live in the past. Times change, opinions change and countries change and some wish to change and adapt with them while others lack that will and sit sadly while the world passes them by. So is PETA ahead of the times? Are meat eaters living in the past? You're point of view might be right if those wanting to keep the name were in the vast minority. It's a perfect example of perfuming your own vanities, thinking that those who support the change are somehow messiahs of light, who have come to lead us ignorant majority to righteousness. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 (edited) No, that's not melodramatic at all. Goodness gracious. It is a football team, right? It's not something more than that? lol So, if they changed the name and logo, you wouldn't claim the history of the franchise? It will have been "lost" forever? Did you not watch the games, do you not still have fond memories of the glory days, the wins, the losses, going to games, the players, etc? You were there, the history is the history, it's permanent, it's not going anywhere. As far as I'm concerned, it'd still be the same team, just a different look. I live and die with every play of this franchise, but I refuse to blow my stack over what it's called. It's precisely the fact I've grown up a REDSKINS fan, knowing MY team by that name, through the glory years and the past two decades of utter garbage, great memory's and bad; that would change it all for me.Something would be lost. Something massive. The REDSKINS are a major part of my sporting identity. Players change. Coaches change. Uniforms change. Stadiums change. But NOT your name. (Unless you do the unthinkable and up sticks to another State and rebrand.). If you don't see the connection to everything we've stood for known by that name for the past 80 odd years then we apparently have a wholly different connection to this team. Hail. Edited June 18, 2014 by Gibbs Hog Heaven 2 Link to post Share on other sites
TD Riggo Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 The Polish Hammer in his avatar is offensive as well. As a child of the 60s/70s, I remember fondly the good old days when a good 'Pollock' joke was told every 3 minutes. Some of the best I heard were from actual, real live Pollocks! This country has lost the ability to laugh at ourselves. The 'politically correct' have polarized everyone! Heck .. if Dan chooses to rename the team (which I oppose), as lifelong white guy, I would not be in the least offended by the "Washington Honkies." And I would bet that the name would not elicit the nonsense that the current name does. Mostly from PC, perpetually offended, uptight white people! What's next? Are Irish Americans going to demand that the Notre Dame football program rename themselves? I mean how offensive it must be to them to portray all Irish as drunken barroom brawlers! 2 Link to post Share on other sites
JoeWolf990 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I don't hear anyone calling out the Golden State Warriors.this was their original logo They changed it. Syracuse old logo 1 Link to post Share on other sites
dsciambi Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I like that the email I got that press release was from Pres_BruceAllen@redskins.com Link to post Share on other sites
justice98 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 @bi_politics: Experts agree loss of Redskins trademarks will have little impact on the team http://bit.ly/1pg88Y6 Maybe not in and of itself, but it's just one more thing to add to the weight of it all. Link to post Share on other sites
More Complete Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I don't hear anyone calling out the Golden State Warriors. Exactly! Link to post Share on other sites
grego Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 I don't buy the 'slippery slope' argument at all, though. Sure, "Chiefs" and "Braves" reference Native Americans...but those are names that have never been used as a racial slur. That's the big difference. #1, how are you possibly qualified to say this? #2, of course they have been. ANY word is a slur depending on how you use it. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Kosher Ham Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 No, that's not melodramatic at all. Goodness gracious. It is a football team, right? It's not something more than that? lol As far as I'm concerned, it'd still be the same team, just a different look. I live and die with every play of this franchise, but I refuse to blow my stack over what it's called. That would be called comedy. Link to post Share on other sites
LetMeSeeYourWarFace21 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 1) The "How would you feel if they were called the Blackskins?" argument Speaking as an African American (and I do NOT speak for all African Americans), I personally wouldnt mind the team being called the Blackskins/Brownskins. As long as the logo wasnt a picture of a "Watermelon & Fried Chicken" or somethin derogatory. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
justice98 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 this was their original logo They changed it. Syracuse old logo They were smart enough to change it before it got out of hand. The juice is not worth the squeezin'. Link to post Share on other sites
TryTheBeal! Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Oh no you don't, you said it was a racial slur. You offered zero qualifications nor disclaimers for that claim. Is it your stance that the Navajo at Red Mesa have willingly and knowingly adopted a mascot name that is to them and their people a racial slur? Native Americans and organizations opposed[edit]The following groups have passed resolutions or issued statements regarding their opposition to the name of the Washington NFL team: Tribes[edit]Affiliated Tribes of Northwest Indians[150] Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma[150] Comanche Nation of Oklahoma[150] The Confederated Tribes of the Colville Reservation (Washington)[150] Grand Traverse Band of Ottawa and Chippewa Indians (Michigan) Hoh Indian Tribe[151] Inter Tribal Council of Arizona[152] Inter-Tribal Council of the Five Civilized Tribes[153] Juaneño Band of Mission Indians (California)[150] Little River Band of Ottawa Indians (Michigan) Match-E-Be-Nash-She-Wish Band of Pottawatomi Indians, Gun Lake Tribe (Michigan)[154] Menominee Tribe of Indians (Wisconsin)[150] Oneida Indian Nation (New York)[155] Oneida Tribe of Indians of Wisconsin[150] Navajo Nation Council[94] Penobscot Nation[156] Poarch Band of Creek Indians[157] Samish Indian Nation (Washington)[158] Sault Ste. Marie Tribe of Chippewa Indians (Michigan)[159] Shoshone-Bannock Tribes (Idaho)[160] Standing Rock Sioux Tribe (North Dakota) The Three Affiliated Tribes of the Fort Berthold Indian Reservation (North Dakota)[161] United South and Eastern Tribes (USET)[162] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_Redskins_name_controversy#Native_Americans_and_organizations_opposed It is considered a racial slur by a sizable amount of Native Americans. To assert otherwise seems unrealistic at best. Link to post Share on other sites
Whitty Hutton Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Somebody said if they are changing the Redskins name, what about this? It caught me off guard lol LOL But I don't know why Skins fans can't grasp that the team name is racist af, especially the black fans. As a black man I can say you all know good and well if there was a team called the Alabama Darkies cats would be ready to riot. Link to post Share on other sites
Riggo#44 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Kevin @HTTR24_7 2m Lol RT @JsteelznSkinz Somebody call Lavar and tell him he can use the Redskins likeness now (drops mike) Well played, sir. Well played. Link to post Share on other sites
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