usafskins Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 When I saw the replay of McNabbs knee touching the ground on third down and then the ball going past the first down marker, I knew we werent getting the call overturned. I believe he benefitted from all the publicity earlier in the week. If that was a first down why wasnt Trotters INT called a TD? Same thing happened, except there was no need to review. Anyone else notice the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Yes he was down before picking up the 1st down. It was obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panel Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 There is no conspeiricy, the refs just like backing each other up as much as possible. I say we don't look back at last week, but forward to next week. Keyshawn is questionable, Alstot is out, and one of their DB starters is doubtful, this is our chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucky*13 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Last week proved injurys do not mean squat in the nfl,the skins just need to play a solid penalty free game and they will be allright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleSteve Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Originally posted by NoCalMike Yes he was down before picking up the 1st down. It was obvious. Have to disagree with you, Mike. He had a first down by just as much as Ramsey had the TD. It was real close. The refs did give him a better spot than they should have, though. Not that it mattered. Westbrook's TD would have been 20 yards instead of 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Well if we had A CB that could make a real tackle we wouldn't be talking about this :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NASMTrainer Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 I think he was across also. His knee was down but he had the ball extended and it's where the ball is not where the knee is. Either way, I'm not gonna say that lost us the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom-SkinsFan Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 As others have said here in this thread, the rule states that it is where the ball is WHEN the knee touches the ground. That is how the rule is for the field of play, NOT the end zones. As far as Trotter's play is concerned, the rule for touchdowns is if the players knee is down before going into the endzone, then that is where the ball is placed. As long as he was touched by someone on the opposing team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 The issue is this. His knee CLEARLY came down before he thrust the ball forward. The officials gave him the spot where the ball hit the ground. They SHOULD have maked the ball where it was when his knee hit. NOW, if it was not conclusive whether or not he made the 1st down, fine. But the officials gave him the wrong spot AND we lost a TO for it. THAT is what was wrong with that call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjinhan Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 yeah i agree with kilmer... i brought that up when we were talking about similar issue in another thread... i think he was across the marker for the first down but SS was challenging the spot of the ball which was clearly marked wrong so they should have respotted the ball, give eagles first down, and should have not charged us with a TO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Yeah, the official blew the challenge. Don't know what tape he was looking at. The ball MAY have reached the 45, but that would have been stretching it. It was certainly inconclusive whether it was a first or not. The correct call would have been to let the first down stand, but re-spot the ball, letting the Skins win the challenge. The ref was just gutless, that's all. Didn't have an impact on the game, though, IMO. Jbooma, Bauman is what, 180-190? I can't blame him for going low on a 250 lb. guy with a head of steam up. He perhaps could have used better technique, but his best chance was to try to take McNabb's legs out. McNabb just made a very athletic play to BARELY get a first down. He'll do that now and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 Blazers is correct. If Ramsey got in the endzone on that TD (and I'm pretty confident that the camera angle was the only thing that made that look legit) then McNabb had the first down. Both were possibly wrong calls, but unable to be overturned by the replay evidence. That's the thing with this replay system, it has the capability to overturn a small minority of the calls. I think it should be expanded on and should be allowed for penalties as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 If we ran the ball consitsently and reduced audibles in the first half the deficit would not have been that big to overcome. So when we get a lead stick with what got you the lead which definately not from using the prevent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f_dallas Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 I think Mcnabb had the first down, I think Ramsey had the TD, and I think neither had a chance of getting overturned. I think it should be expanded on and should be allowed for penalties as well.... I agree that some penalties should have the option to be reviewed. Stuff like holding....you can't review that because it happens on every play. I do think penalties like roughing the passer and roughing the kicker, for example, should be reviewable. I see those 2 calls get abused every single week. This week, Arrinton got burned on a bad one and the Colts almost got screwed against the Bucs because of that horrible call where the punter fell over without being touched. I HATE those kind of calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DieselPwr44 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 If we ran the ball consitsently and reduced audibles in the first half the deficit would not have been that big to overcome. Absolutely right on the money ND. 13 rushes per game is one sure fire way to 1. Get your QB killed...and...2. lose the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzSkinsFan63 Posted October 8, 2003 Share Posted October 8, 2003 it actually was a smart challenge... but the replay was extremely hard to figure where the ball was when his knee touched.. I hate the refs but I'm also reasonable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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