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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       

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Is there any scenario where the Dallas Skins game has NO playoff implications?

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Guys, it's week 15 and we're on top of the NFC East!!!!!!!! can you believe that? Regardless of what happens, the game against the Cowboys will be huge but for now, let's focus on the Eagles!

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Im pretty sure we win division no matter what if we beat Philly & Dallas / Giants lose next week..

If all teams finish 9-7 the Skins would hold tie breakers over Giants (division record) & Cowboys (conference record)..

Correct??

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Im very confident we destroy the eagles. I mean they have nothing to play for and would be pushing themselves out of a top 4 pick if they win.

they did beat the Bucs last week I'm shocked they even showed up. You never know with them.

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Im pretty sure we win division no matter what if we beat Philly & Dallas / Giants lose next week..

If all teams finish 9-7 the Skins would hold tie breakers over Giants (division record) & Cowboys (conference record)..

Correct??

No, apparently record against common opponents comes before conference record, so even if we win and Dallas loses next week, we still have to beat them on the 30th.

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I just posted this in BRBN:

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Dallas has toughest road

The Cowboys host the New Orleans Saints next week before heading to Washington. That's a tough schedule to go 2-0 against, but we didn't think the Cowboys could beat the Bengals and Steelers in back-to-back weeks either.

Click link for more

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000112193/article/washington-redskins-have-edge-in-nfc-east-race

I noticed that, thanks for all your hard work Brandy.

Whats up with the saints? Did they beat TB today? I was blurring in an out of different games this afternoon so can't remember exactly, but lets just hope the same 'aints team from last week against the giants doens't show up next week to dallass. Much as i hate to say it, cowboys are simply finding ways to win football games attm.

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Im pretty sure we win division no matter what if we beat Philly & Dallas / Giants lose next week..

If all teams finish 9-7 the Skins would hold tie breakers over Giants (division record) & Cowboys (conference record)..

Correct??

no.

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No, apparently record against common opponents comes before conference record, so even if we win and Dallas loses next week, we still have to beat them on the 30th.

But I'm pretty sure that if Saints beat Dallas that would put our common oppent records at identical if I checked our schedules correctly..

They beat Carolina & lost to Baltimore.. other than that we both lost to Falcons, beat Bucs, beat Browns, they beat Steelers, but we beat Saints *brain explodes*

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But I'm pretty sure that if Saints beat Dallas that would put our common oppent records at identical if I checked our schedules correctly.

They'd still be 8-4 vs common, while we'd be 7-5. They beat Pitt, Cincy, Carolina.....three teams that we lost to.

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Im pretty sure we win division no matter what if we beat Philly & Dallas / Giants lose next week..

If all teams finish 9-7 the Skins would hold tie breakers over Giants (division record) & Cowboys (conference record)..

Correct??

Correct on your first statement. Not on your last.

First off if we win both games. We win the east. Bottom line. Even if the Giants win out from this point on we have the division record tie breaker. I repeat. THE GIANTS DO NOT HAVE TO LOSE ANY MORE GAMES FOR US TO WIN THE EAST.

However, if we were to lose the game to philly. We would then need the Giants to lose a game in order to win the east with a victory against the Cowboys. We would NOT, however, have a tie breaker at 9-7 over the Cowboys if we win at philly and lose to the Cowboys. The Cowboys have the third tie breaker after head-to-head and division record which is record against common opponents.

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You guys arent taking into account the Saints game though! If they lose that & we beat Eagles we're both 8-5 vs common opponents which moves us to conference records in which we'd prevail :)

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No, we only have 12 common opponents......the 4 against the Eagles and Giants, the 4 against the NFC South, and the 4 against the AFC North. If the Cowboys lose to NO and we beat Philly, they still are better (8-4) than we are (7-5) against common.

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Most maddening thread in ES history :)

How many times can people answer the same question over and over and over and yet people keep asking it????

There is NO scenerio where we can lose to Dallas and win the division. Zero. Their game vs the Saints means nothing to us at all... Has absolutely no bearing.

There is ONE scenerio where we can clinch a playoff spot next week:

--Redskins win

--Bears lose at Arizona

--Vikings lose at Houston

--Giants lose at Baltimore

If ALL four of those things happen, then we would clinch a playoff spot prior to week 17 and the Cowboys game would be for the division.

There are scenerios where we earn a wild card berth at 9-7 as well.....

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Only problem I have is that the common opponent trumps conference record. Scenarios where teams have better conference records can get screwed if they lose all AFC/NFC games but do better in conference which you have to go thru to get to the chip anyway end up on the short end because you lost those out of conference games and caused you to have a worse common opponent record. Common opponent should be after conference. That's horse crap. Am I alone on this?

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I heard that if there is a three-way tie for first place, the team whose owner is head of the competition committee (Mara) automatically wins the division, while the other two flip a coin to see who gets second. :)

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No, we only have 12 common opponents......the 4 against the Eagles and Giants, the 4 against the NFC South, and the 4 against the AFC North. If the Cowboys lose to NO and we beat Philly, they still are better (8-4) than we are (7-5) against common.

Beat Dallas.

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Most maddening thread in ES history :)

How many times can people answer the same question over and over and over and yet people keep asking it????

There is NO scenerio where we can lose to Dallas and win the division. Zero. Their game vs the Saints means nothing to us at all... Has absolutely no bearing.

There is ONE scenerio where we can clinch a playoff spot next week:

--Redskins win

--Bears lose at Arizona

--Vikings lose at Houston

--Giants lose at Baltimore

If ALL four of those things happen, then we would clinch a playoff spot prior to week 17 and the Cowboys game would be for the division.

There are scenerios where we earn a wild card berth at 9-7 as well.....

I can see Vikings losing, but the Giants and Chicago losing, that would be crazy.

In the end, I want the NFC East, no wild card.call me greedy.

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Beat Philly...that's all I'm worried about at this moment for next week. Of course if Giants, Vikes, and Bears lose it definitely takes some of the pressure off of the Dallas game, but we NEED to beat Philly. I'm going to be so nervous next week, regardless of what Philly's record looks like

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If the Redskins beat Philly, they have a LOAD of ways to get inside the playoffs, even losing to Dallas. 2 wins is a guarantee, but a Philly win and there's so many ways to sneak in it's incredible.

Luckily for the Redskins, their losses occurred against half of the AFC North, bottom feeders of the NFC, and the Falcons who are far and away out of reach. Their wins all occurred against people they're contending with.

Our destiny is in our ****ing hands.

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Here is my (sorta) ultra-simple view of this:

If we win both games: We win the division.

If we lose to Philly and beat Dallas:

- If the Giants lost at least one game, we win the division.

- If the Giants won both games, we need Minnesota and Chicago to have lost at least a game. (for a wild-card spot)

If we beat Philly but lose to Dallas:

- We need Chicago and Minnesota to have lost at least one game. Additionally we need either Seattle or the Giants to have lost at least one game. (for a wild-card spot)

If we lose both games:

- We need New York, Minnesota, St Louis and Chicago to lose both games. (for a wild-card spot)

The biggest thing that scares me in all of this is that Chicago's schedule is pretty easy going out (even though the team is falling apart). I think the other losses we might need will fall into place. But the Bears might be the team to derail us if we don't take care of business.

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Here is my (sorta) ultra-simple view of this:

The biggest thing that scares me in all of this is that Chicago's schedule is pretty easy going out (even though the team is falling apart). I think the other losses we might need will fall into place. But the Bears might be the team to derail us if we don't take care of business.

That could be ironically a little bit like 1979... Dallas game last game of the season that year and a Chicago-St Louis rout cost us a wild card tiebreaker.

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Common opponent should be after conference. That's horse crap. Am I alone on this?

No, you're not. It is BS, and I agree.

No mercy on the Eagles and Cowboys, I hope we shove it down their throats.

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We can loose next week and still win the division as long as we win the last game, and if NY looses one of their last two. Basically, next week is not that important, Dallas week, at the end, is HUGE!

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I can see Vikings losing, but the Giants and Chicago losing, that would be crazy.

In the end, I want the NFC East, no wild card.call me greedy.

its not crazy to believe the Giants can lose at baltimore. Even though Baltimore has had a rough stretch, the Giants aren't world-beaters. Chicago losing is a stretch, but with the way they have played, it's not impossible for them to lose at Arizona or at Detroit. They almost lost to Detroit earlier this year. But, in any event, you're right, I want the division.

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We can loose next week and still win the division as long as we win the last game, and if NY looses one of their last two. Basically, next week is not that important, Dallas week, at the end, is HUGE!

I don't want to have to bank on anyone else. Let's take care of business. Redskins are superior to the Eagles and at this point, we have no business losing to them.

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And Technically speaking, there is a scenario where we get in and LOOSE BOTH of our next games, but it would require help from many different games.

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