Fan4life Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Is it me, or why doesnt RAMSEY run more shotgun plays. The guy is used to that most of his HS and college career. And most of the plays that he has done well has gone in the shotgun position. I dont know what it is. but in the that..he seems Very accurate and at ease with reading the defenses. Thoughts??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan4life Posted October 6, 2003 Author Share Posted October 6, 2003 Originally posted by riggo-toni Agreed. Ive try to watch every off. play in the shotgun. And the kid seems like he owns that position in shotgun. But for some reason when he is under center..he isnt himself as much. I remember a few Tulane games. When he was under shotgun...the kid was like a sharp shooter. He would hit the receivers in stride or on the x. I understand the NFL and the complicated defensive schemes.But look at Drew B. He has made a Hall of fame career in the shotgun position..and also P. Manning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 under center we should run more and then use playaction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan4life Posted October 6, 2003 Author Share Posted October 6, 2003 But with the OL having serious problem with blitzzz, and ramsey is literally jacked up every game so far. Why not let him be at his best which is in the shotgun postion. Plus I dont think anyone is bitting on our play action either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Originally posted by Fan4life Is it me, or why doesnt RAMSEY run more shotgun plays. The guy is used to that most of his HS and college career. And most of the plays that he has done well has gone in the shotgun position. I dont know what it is. but in the that..he seems Very accurate and at ease with reading the defenses. Thoughts??? This is an excellent point. One more nuance about the shotgun: there's no blindside to be hit from behind on the blitz. Ramsey faces the defense and can see the whole field. Nobody can touch him without warning. Even if Ramsey doesn't read the blitz prior to the snap, he can at least see the man running toward him and get rid of the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 If Ramsey is to run more shotgun plays (im all for it) the only change would have to be the RB being on his right or left side as the ball is snapped; that way you either have an extra blocker, a player to throw a pass to out on the flat or a RB to run a draw with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orlskinsfan Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 i still wish we would run more no huddle...this would force the defense to adjust on the fly and they wouldnt be able to hide their blitzes or coverages as much...i think this would really open the game up for ramsey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 If we use the shotgun all the time then we are just giving up on the run. We have to be able to show we can run the ball so we can work the play action. If not they will just tee off against Ramsey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Originally posted by orlskinsfan i still wish we would run more no huddle...this would force the defense to adjust on the fly and they wouldnt be able to hide their blitzes or coverages as much...i think this would really open the game up for ramsey How are you gonna run a no huddle when the O line is jumping off sides after every play? First you have to be able to execute the play under normal conditions and then you can try a no huddle. Id perfer them to try a hurry up offense instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan4life Posted October 6, 2003 Author Share Posted October 6, 2003 Originally posted by Atlanta Skins Fan This is an excellent point. One more nuance about the shotgun: there's no blindside to be hit from behind on the blitz. Ramsey faces the defense and can see the whole field. Nobody can touch him without warning. Even if Ramsey doesn't read the blitz prior to the snap, he can at least see the man running toward him and get rid of the ball. Right, Is it that Spurrier is still a bit stubborn in his style of offense??? what is it...as a coach and other coaches can see. Ramsey is way off better in the shotgun. And with that said..wouldnt it be smart to give your YOUNG QB a better view on the defenses and also more time to throw or even Audible. I guess we all can be Monday morning coaches and critics. But still..with the WR talent we have...let them run the routes, and let our STRONG arm QB throw it to them in a better position with more time. We all know that the Skinzz are not a running team also...so thats not secret to other teams we face. sorry im just so pissed off...that its another week of seeing what the OLE BALL COACH will plan next..arrrrghhhh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montilar Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 One of the problems with the shotgun formation is the center has to be able to consistently get the ball to the QB. How many times has the snap been poorly placed? I've seen a lot get to Ramsey but he'd have to reach for them as the snap was off kilter a tad. Eventually one's going to be over his head or fumbled.... and while he's watching the snap, he isn't reading the field. Wilbert Brown couldn't shotgun snap to save his life. It isn't Moore's strength either, but he can do it. Friedman I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 I agree... I'm pretty sure that the center's past problems with shotgun snaps has played a key in the use of the shotgun formation. Somehow, I bet Freidman ends up at center or the current center spends a bunch of extra time practicing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 One of the things I noticed about Moore snapping in the shotgun is that I think he increased our false starts. I mean, he was shaking his behind around like he was Jennifer Lopez in a room full of temporary hubby wannabees. A couple of times, I think his 'er "backfield motion" was responsible for our guys moving too soon. I'd like to see us get a good center in the offseason and relegate Moore to backup C/OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins2win Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Originally posted by jbooma If we use the shotgun all the time then we are just giving up on the run. We have to be able to show we can run the ball so we can work the play action. If not they will just tee off against Ramsey. You are absolutely right. In shotgun formation, your running game is very limited. It turns your team one-dimensional. Spurrier has never like the shotgun very much and only uses it intermittently. As a base formation, forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Another thing to consider might be to use the shotgun to start games.... so Ramsey has the benefit of seeing the defense and can survey the field. Then....after he's settled down and the game plan of the defense is more easily understood, he can move up under center to add new looks to the defense. Finally... with the offsides debacle obviously destroying continuity and rhythm.... the OL would have to watch the ball and go when it's snapped instead of trying to remember to wait and explode when the QB says "HIKE" or "HUT". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gridironmike Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Originally posted by skins2win Spurrier has never like the shotgun very much and only uses it intermittently. I've mentioned this several times. At Florida, Spurrier ran the Fun N Gun. Most coaches at Marshall were either Florida assistants (Head coach Bob Pruett) or vice versa. The difference in their offenses was Pruett used the shotgun more to utilize Pennington and Leftwich. Spurrier has a particular disdain for it because it limits the run. Marshall didn't care if you knew they were going to pass it almost every down. Pennington to Moss was pretty lethal for most defenses. Leftwich was big and could see down field well, so it suited his gunslinger style too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins2win Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Originally posted by gridironmike I've mentioned this several times. At Florida, Spurrier ran the Fun N Gun. Most coaches at Marshall were either Florida assistants (Head coach Bob Pruett) or vice versa. The difference in their offenses was Pruett used the shotgun more to utilize Pennington and Leftwich. Spurrier has a particular disdain for it because it limits the run. Marshall didn't care if you knew they were going to pass it almost every down. Pennington to Moss was pretty lethal for most defenses. Leftwich was big and could see down field well, so it suited his gunslinger style too. Anyone who wants to see what it would be like to switch to the shotgun should take a look at Florida now. They use the shotgun as a base formation and their offense totally SUCKS!! Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted October 6, 2003 Share Posted October 6, 2003 Spurrier used the shotgun at florida, but just not all the time. I don't think the Skins should use it all the time, but definately on third downs and obvious passing situations. That's were I didn't understand not using it. It would also be cool to use it in no huddle situations to catch certain defensive personnel in the game and keep them there. As a change up at times to piss off the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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