zoony Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 We have enough coal in this country to power us until the rapture. I just REFUSE to believe we can't come up with a safe way to burn it. Seems a lot more attainable than solar and wind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 We have enough coal in this country to power us until the rapture. I just REFUSE to believe we can't come up with a safe way to burn it. Seems a lot more attainable than solar and wind not according to the present idiots in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 wind is already commercially viable without subsidies (in the right places), and solar is on a steeply declining cost curve... but yes, improvements in coal "green-ness" would potentially have a huge impact, particularly if whatever improvements were developed were scalable enough to be used in the OTHER countries that continue to burn coal at breakneck speed. China apparently adds about two new giant coal plants a month... furthermore, neither wind nor solar are baseload power, and neither can replace baseload capacity unless there is a HUGE breaktrough in storage cpaccity/batteries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 where is wind viable w/o subsidy in the US w/o gaming the market? out in the sticks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsluggo Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 i don't do business in the US! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 not according to the present idiots in charge And every idiot in charge since the clean air act was passed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 And every idiot in charge since the clean air act was passed the problem is more in how they are applying/defining it....the Flex system we use allows common sense rules that both clean the emmisions and allow varied sources......naturally we have to fight the EPA in court to allow them(yes we just won again) it is worse than a slippery slope with the present EPA and co2 nonsense....ya might as well stick a fork in coal with that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 the problem is more in how they are applying/defining it....the Flex system we use allows common sense rules that both clean the emmisions and allow varied sources......naturally we have to fight the EPA in court to allow them(yes we just won again) it is worse than a slippery slope with the present EPA and co2 nonsense....ya might as well stick a fork in coal with that Reagan should never have passed the bill. Ultimately his fault, any administration could then simply apply the law Back to the original point, I have to think they could figure out a way to burn it cleanly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Back to the original point, I have to think they could figure out a way to burn it cleanly Yeah, it does seem reasonable to me that, at least when we're talking about a power plant, then you've got all the pollution in one place where you can control it, they really ought to be able to do a lot. Now, granted, the power plan isn't the only part of the chain that pollutes. It pollutes lots of other places, too. And getting rid of the CO2, now that I don't think is possible. (Well, without spending more energy than what you got when you burned it.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 Back to the original point, I have to think they could figure out a way to burn it cleanly gassification of coal is moving along http://energy.gov/fe/science-innovation/clean-coal-research/gasification of course as Larry mentioned they find mining objectional perhaps in situ gassification will pass their muster once they slice their wrists over solar yet again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 thought I would share Texas oil production set to top No. 2 OPEC countryhttp://fuelfix.com/blog/2014/07/01/texas-now-pumping-36-percent-of-nations-oil/ http://www.insideindianabusiness.com/newsitem.asp?ID=61735 A Purdue University energy economist says a boost in production of shale oil and gas is a "game changer" for the U.S. economy. Wally Tyner says new research from the school shows the growth could increase the nation's Gross Domestic Product by an average of 3.5 percent each year through 2035. isn't that about what the US budget deficit is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 isn't that about what the US budget deficit is? So, your point is that if we just taxed the oil industry, we could balance the budget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 hey, i noticed my price went down to match all this production at the pump this week. Said no one. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 mine went down....maybe ya should move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 So, your point is that if we just taxed the oil industry, we could balance the budget? how much more ya want? http://www.exxonmobilperspectives.com/2012/03/15/who-is-subsidizing-whom-2/?utm_source=paid.outbrain.com&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Perspectives_-_Oil_and_Gas_Tax_Policy with congresscritters that spend more than ya take in it will never happen even if ya tax at 100% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 mine went down....maybe ya should move No seriously,, it's not me pissing on your leg. It's raining. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 No seriously,, it's not me pissing on your leg. It's raining. ~Bang could I interest you in a Volt or some solar panels? or is a Telsa more your style? set yourself free http://www.texaspolicy.com/center/energy-environment/blog/energy-and-freedom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 Actually, i was figuring on investing in Astroglide. with as much as we get ****ed, the sky's the limit. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I thought Obama was killing oil? Thank God for those brave Texans standing up to this tyranny. Pump that oil! I'm sure our relief at the pump is just around the corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I thought Obama was killing oil? Thank God for those brave Texans standing up to this tyranny. Pump that oil! I'm sure our relief at the pump is just around the corner well since production on federal areas has dropped while private has greatly expanded.....but I'm sure that has nothing to do with him. more being pumped in Texas than the whole US offshore maybe it is us that deserve a tax/price break. add what he is killing is coal....since ya can't hang with the big dogs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 You mean, when we're producing more on land, we don't need as much from offshore? And I love the way you cite this to try to say Obama's doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 You mean, when we're producing more on land, we don't need as much from offshore? And I love the way you cite this to try to say Obama's doing it. need as is not needing imports? he has been less than helpful.....in so many areas(but then that is obvious to any but the apologists) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'm unsure the infatuation you have with Texas and oil. Are you employed by oil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'm unsure the infatuation you have with Texas and oil. Are you employed by oil? Not yet, but I might sell my soul one day......probably right before the bust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 13, 2014 Share Posted July 13, 2014 I'm unsure the infatuation you have with Texas and oil. Are you employed by oil? He's trying to paint Texas as what the whole US would be, if only Republicans were in charge. It's an ongoing campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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