Mad Mike Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The thread is rather stupid He is employing people ,obeying the laws, and probably paying a **** load of taxes as far as I know. I need all the help I can get nowadays :pfft: So it's ok for him to try to intimidate his employees into voting the way he wants? Do you really want to make this stand and align yourself with such a douchbag? What does that say about you? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveFromYellowstone Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Is TWA a troll or is he really this willfully ignorant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'm perfectly fine with threatening employees and warning them of consequences, my only issue is with empty threats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Is TWA a troll or is he really this willfully ignorant?Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I suspect the letter could be a violation of state and/or federal election law...or at least tiptoe the line of it...and it really has no place in the workplace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'm perfectly fine with threatening employees and warning them of consequences, my only issue is with empty threats trust me, you've got plenty of issues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 The thing that gets me is the similarity if not downright plagiarism of a chain letter. If you can't form a reasoned argument without copying a stupid ******* chain letter..... I don't care how much money you have.... You might be a moron. It would be laughable if not for the sleazy, barely legal use of fear of loosing their job to intimidate his employees to vote the way he wants. ***hole. I sort of agree with this. Almost the entire letter echoes the chain letter, which appeared as early as 2008. So your hearfelt political views are cloned from some stupid fake letter from 4 years ago? :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Is TWA a troll or is he really this willfully ignorant? As far as I can tell, he is a principled and respected poster that happens to have conservative (albeit neo-con) ideals and he isnt ashamed to speak on them here despite his being surrounded by a vast majority of folks who disagree with him. I dont share too much in common with him, but I do take exception to his constantly being called a "troll" unfairly because he doesn't share your perspective. ---------- Post added October-10th-2012 at 10:53 AM ---------- The timeshare business is built on highly manipulative selling and very dubious commercial practices where true costs and value are hidden from the buyer.Payday loans are legalized extortion, preying on some of the most vulnerable in society. What about timeshare sellers who dont use those practices? Is it really fair to claim an entire industry is as bad as you claim? There are no good people working in it at all? The same goes for payday loans. Isnt it simply providing a short term loan for someone who needs it? How is it extortion? I dont understand your perspective on either. To be honest, I suspected it was just an opinionated rant when I first asked and you havent done anything to change my opinion on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Really. Do you absolutely HAVE to defend every right wing douchbag? Do you HAVE to even ask? If so, you might want to look for better material. This comeback was really stupid. I bet it goes over really well, in the right target audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 As far as I can tell, he is a principled and respected poster that happens to have conservative (albeit neo-con) ideals and he isnt ashamed to speak on them here despite his being surrounded by a vast majority of folks who disagree with him.I dont share too much in common with him, but I do take exception to his constantly being called a "troll" unfairly because he doesn't share your perspective. ---------- Post added October-10th-2012 at 10:53 AM ---------- What about timeshare sellers who dont use those practices? Is it really fair to claim an entire industry is as bad as you claim? There are no good people working in it at all? The same goes for payday loans. Isnt it simply providing a short term loan for someone who needs it? How is it extortion? I dont understand your perspective on either. To be honest, I suspected it was just an opinionated rant when I first asked and you havent done anything to change my opinion on it. how can you claim that someone is a respected poster while at the same time bemoaning how often they are called a troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 how can you claim that someone is a respected poster while at the same time bemoaning how often they are called a trolled? Because there are a lot of posters here and some can be described in each category. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 how can you claim that someone is a respected poster while at the same time bemoaning how often they are called a troll? Would you like to revisit some of the things you were called in the past and their validity? Getting back on topic.... Why is it wrong for him to exert what influence he has as long as he stays within the law? Is it because he is rich and successful?...or is the concept wrong? Unions and others do it all the time and worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 What about timeshare sellers who dont use those practices? Is it really fair to claim an entire industry is as bad as you claim? There are no good people working in it at all? The same goes for payday loans. Isnt it simply providing a short term loan for someone who needs it? How is it extortion? I dont understand your perspective on either. To be honest, I suspected it was just an opinionated rant when I first asked and you havent done anything to change my opinion on it. In general, the timeshare and payday industries are rife with very questionable and unethical business practices. Misleading advertising and selling, opaque terms and conditions, and aggressive collection are the norm in these industries. There may be good businesses, but that doesn't give the whole industry a free pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Would you like to revisit some of the things you were called in the past and their validity? Getting back on topic.... Why is it wrong for him to exert what influence he has as long as he stays within the law? Is it because he is rich and successful?...or is the concept wrong? Unions and others do it all the time and worse First off, unions and others are wrong when they do it also. That said, they are not directly capable of influencing the employment of said employee. It's especially wrong for this guy to skirt the state & federal election law because of the position he holds in the company. ---------- Post added October-10th-2012 at 08:48 AM ---------- Even more so in at will states where no reason has to be given for termination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Would you like to revisit some of the things you were called in the past and their validity? Getting back on topic.... Why is it wrong for him to exert what influence he has as long as he stays within the law? Is it because he is rich and successful?...or is the concept wrong? Unions and others do it all the time and worse Would it be wrong if Soros bought out Texas and told y'all to vote for Obama or else he'd fire you and replace you with Mexicans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterx Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 No way for this guy to tell how his employees vote. If I worked for his company and read this letter, I would be proud to vote for Obama in spite of him. I'm not going to let some corporate executive or CEO--who makes more per day than I make per year--tell me which candidate would be better for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 In general, the timeshare and payday industries are rife with very questionable and unethical business practices. Misleading advertising and selling, opaque terms and conditions, and aggressive collection are the norm in these industries. There may be good businesses, but that doesn't give the whole industry a free pass. but does it mean to indict the whole industry instead? any of those items you mention should be prosecution by law arent they? I would think they wouldnt last long as a business if they were partaking in any of the illegal actions. (I dont see a problem with some of what you called out either btw, aggressive collections being one of the items. If you borrow you gotta pay it back under the terms you agreed to, thats the way it works) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 First off, unions and others are wrong when they do it also. That said, they are not directly capable of influencing the employment of said employee. It's especially wrong for this guy to skirt the state & federal election law because of the position he holds in the company.---------- Post added October-10th-2012 at 08:48 AM ---------- Even more so in at will states where no reason has to be given for termination. I think you are wrong about their ability(unions), but perhaps you have more knowledge of them Skirting law is not breaking it, and as you point out there are numerous protections in place to protect employees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corcaigh Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 any of those items you mention should be prosecution by law arent they? I would think they wouldnt last long as a business if they were partaking in any of the illegal actions. There's a huge difference between illegal versus and misleading & unethical. In the USA we tolerate way too much of the latter. In any given week, for example I get mailers related to car warranties, or the websites I own, that are intended to mislead through their use of language. None of them are illegal. They are all dishonest and shady. (I dont see a problem with some of what you called out either btw, aggressive collections being one of the items. I think we understand the difference between collections and aggressive collections. Because of their practices, payday loans are illegal in some jurisdictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 As far as I can tell, he is a principled and respected poster that happens to have conservative (albeit neo-con) ideals and he isnt ashamed to speak on them here despite his being surrounded by a vast majority of folks who disagree with him.I dont share too much in common with him, but I do take exception to his constantly being called a "troll" unfairly because he doesn't share your perspective. Come on, that isn't why he's called a troll. Very few people agree with your perspective SS, but no one ever calls you a troll. That's because you don't troll people, you just disagree with them. There is a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lombardi's_kid_brother Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Is TWA a troll or is he really this willfully ignorant? Why can't be be both? ---------- Post added October-10th-2012 at 11:37 AM ---------- but does it mean to indict the whole industry instead?any of those items you mention should be prosecution by law arent they? I would think they wouldnt last long as a business if they were partaking in any of the illegal actions. (I dont see a problem with some of what you called out either btw, aggressive collections being one of the items. If you borrow you gotta pay it back under the terms you agreed to, thats the way it works) Timeshare and payday loan industries make their money by skirting right up against what is legal. My father actually got $1000 from a timeshare company once for agreeing to drop a complaint to their state AG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Come on, that isn't why he's called a troll. Very few people agree with your perspective SS, but no one ever calls you a troll. That's because you don't troll people, you just disagree with them. There is a difference. I dont see the difference you speak of to be honest. I totally disagree with TWA on many, many things, but the way he gets treated here sometimes is pretty brutal and for little reason in my view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I dont see the difference you speak of to be honest. I totally disagree with TWA on many, many things, but the way he gets treated here sometimes is pretty brutal and for little reason in my view. Well, I think he earns every single bit of the grief he gets. In fact, those are exactly the responses he is going out of his way to get, and I think he enjoys the heck out of it. Not everyone uses this board for the same purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 Well, I think he earns every single bit of the grief he gets. In fact, those are exactly the responses he is going out of his way to get, and I think he enjoys the heck out of it. Not everyone uses this board for the same purposes. I'll of course leave it up to the Mods opinions, and if TWA isnt upset by it, no biggie. I'd just rather see us treat each other with respect, even when we have differing opinions. (even when we are aggressive in defending our opinions) I'd be first in line to defend you and others if the same thing were occurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 10, 2012 Share Posted October 10, 2012 I'll of course leave it up to the Mods opinions, and if TWA isnt upset by it, no biggie. I'd just rather see us treat each other with respect, even when we have differing opinions. (even when we are aggressive in defending our opinions)I'd be first in line to defend you and others if the same thing were occurring. It doesn't happen to me (or your) because we don't troll. Trolling is not the same as "aggressively defending our positions." Even back in the day when this board was 80 percent conservative and I was one of the two or three active liberals, I never was called a troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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