visionary Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 No way he won by 10%, there was a lot of speculation that he had lost an hour ago and that at best it would be a very close win. http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/08/us-venezuela-election-idUSBRE89601Z20121008 Venezuela's Chavez re-elected to extend socialist ruleVenezuela's socialist President Hugo Chavez won re-election in on Sunday, quashing the opposition's best bet at unseating him in 14 years and cementing himself as a dominant figure in modern Latin American history. The 58-year-old Chavez took 54.42 percent of the vote, with 90 percent of the ballots counted, to 44.97 percent for young opposition candidate Henrique Capriles, official results showed. Chavez's victory would extend his rule of the OPEC member state to two decades, though he is recovering from cancer and the possibility of a recurrence hangs over his political future. Jubilant supporters poured onto the streets of Caracas to celebrate the victory of a man who has near-Messianic status among Venezuela's poor, and there was relief too among leftist allies around the region - from Cuba to Bolivia - who rely on his oil-financed generosity. "I'm celebrating with a big heart," said Mary Reina, a 62-year-old Chavez supporter who lives in the hillside slum where the president cast his vote. "Chavez is the hope of the people and of Latin America." The mood was grim at Capriles' campaign headquarters, where opposition supporters broke into tears. The opposition will now have to regroup quickly for state elections in December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Gee, this is shocking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Damn. I was hoping they'd finally rid themselves of that bum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 He may have won and those on the left who support him will hail his victory and claim it was fair. However even if every vote was counted correctly this definately wasn't a level playing field. Broadcast Media is only allowed a few minutes for each party to advertise, what they they don't include is the Government information programs they have to run, all of which were essentially ads for Chavez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsburySkinsFan Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Suuuuuuuuure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailToTheRedskins14 Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Amazing that a foreign country has an election and is deemed corrupt, but we have a voting system with no paper trails and you're labelled a cook if you think it can be corrupt. Amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Amazing that a foreign country has an election and is deemed corrupt, but we have a voting system with no paper trails and you're labelled a cook if you think it can be corrupt. Amazing. Americans love judging but dont like being judged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Amazing that a foreign country has an election and is deemed corrupt, but we have a voting system with no paper trails and you're labelled a cook if you think it can be corrupt. Amazing. Come on now the Venezuelan election was known to be corrupt and openly so months before a single vote was cast. If you are the only party allowed to advertise in the media wouldn't you say that was a corrupt system? And of course the US system is corrupted as well, example why do you think one party goes ape ---- when an ID requirement is introduced (And yes the other party has their tricks too). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 Amazing that a foreign country has an election and is deemed corrupt, but we have a voting system with no paper trails and you're labelled a cook if you think it can be corrupt. Amazing. Are you suggesting that skepticism towards Veznezuela's government and Chavez's 'elections' and 'governing' style is primarily an American feature? We probably worry less about it that many others around the world. Despite the fact that much of his destructive and harmful policies are aimed at us, though they do far more harm to other countries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Come on now the Venezuelan election was known to be corrupt and openly so months before a single vote was cast. If you are the only party allowed to advertise in the media wouldn't you say that was a corrupt system? And of course the US system is corrupted as well, example why do you think one party goes ape ---- when an ID requirement is introduced (And yes the other party has their tricks too). Jimmy Carter said about Venezuela's "dictatorship" a few weeks ago: "As a matter of fact, of the 92 elections that we've monitored, I would say that the election process in Venezuela is the best in the world."Carter won a Nobel prize for his work through the election-monitoring Carter Center, which has observed and certified past Venezuelan elections. But because Washington has sought for more than a decade to delegitimise Venezuela's government, his viewpoint is only rarely reported. His latest comments went unreported in almost all of the US media. In Venezuela, voters touch a computer screen to cast their vote and then receive a paper receipt, which they verify and deposit in a ballot box. Most of the paper ballots are compared with the electronic tally. This system makes vote-rigging nearly impossible: to steal the vote would require hacking the computers and then stuffing the ballot boxes to match the rigged vote. Unlike in the US, where in a close vote we really have no idea who won (see Bush v Gore), Venezuelans can be sure that their vote counts. And also unlike the US, where as many as 90 million eligible voters will not vote in November, the government in Venezuela has done everything to increase voter registration (now at a record of about 97%) and participation. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/07/venezuela-election-hugo-chavez-capriles its funny how those quotes were not reported on any American MSM publications tho. That is not to call Hugo Chavez a great man, leader, etc. But lets top regurgitating untruths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 I have to admit that I'm no expert on Venezuela, and I didn't realize their voting process is so sophisticated, but I still doubt that the numbers the government released are the true results of the vote. Also it is noted in the article that there are serious concerns about the fairness of the political system in Venezulea and the election system leading up to the voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/07/venezuela-election-hugo-chavez-caprilesits funny how those quotes were not reported on any American MSM publications tho. That is not to call Hugo Chavez a great man, leader, etc. But lets top regurgitating untruths. What untruths? In the Venezuelan system Political parties are allowed to only officially advertise for a few minutes on broadcast media (For the entire campaign - ie 2-3 commecials). That's it. However, Chavez and his party uses executive authority to force government programing that acts like campaign commercials for free and for as long as they want. In other words the only real political advertizing allowed is from Chavez and his party. Yes it is corrupt and was known to be long before a single vote was cast. As for Jimmy Carter, has any country ever produced a bigger fool? (Ok not counting France). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 I have to admit that I'm no expert on Venezuela, and I didn't realize their voting process is so sophisticated, but I still doubt that the numbers the government released are the true results of the vote.Also it is noted in the article that there are serious concerns about the fairness of the political system in Venezulea and the election system leading up to the voting. there should def be concerns about their political system. I think his actions against the media were justified originally (imagine if Fox or NBC just gossiped against the president everyday, then erroneously made up a story about the president committing crimes and then declared someone else the president. That network should lose its license), but that should not be the end all of opposing media. But to say there voting system is corrupt is an outright lie. As for Jimmy Carter, has any country ever produced a bigger fool? yeah, Jimmy Carter is a fool. Tells me everything I need to know about your statement. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 there should def be concerns about their political system. I think his actions against the media were justified originally (imagine if Fox or NBC just gossiped against the president everyday, then erroneously made up a story about the president committing crimes and then declared someone else the president. That network should lose its license), but that should not be the end all of opposing media.But to say there voting system is corrupt is an outright lie. yeah, Jimmy Carter is a fool. Tells me everything I need to know about your statement. Cheers. Well I think the consensus is, even among quite few liberals, that that is exactly what he is. Oh and thanks for conceding the point about the leverage Chavez uses in the Venezualan media to ensure he has a hammerlock on the electoral process in that country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LadySkinsFan Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Hate Chavez all you like, but he at least sold low priced oil to heat OUR poor/seniors' homes through Joe Kennedy III's non-profit program. Citgo is the only company I know that did this. Not even our country's corporations donated. So I buy Citgo gas when I can because it's helping OUR poor/seniors. Plus, we have a USSC that handed the presidency to Bush through Bush v. Gore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visionary Posted October 8, 2012 Author Share Posted October 8, 2012 http://www.aljazeera.com/news/americas/2012/10/2012108185550812831.html?utm_content=automate&utm_campaign=Trial6&utm_source=NewSocialFlow&utm_term=plustweets&utm_medium=MasterAccount Venezuela's Chavez vows 'better' presidency Venezuela's Hugo Chavez has pledged to become a "better president" and work with the opposition after winning a tough re-election battle that betrayed simmering discontent at his socialist revolution. The leftist president's victory on Sunday was a relief to like-minded allies in the region, with Cuban leader Raul Castro hailing his friend's "historic triumph", while the United States urged him to listen to the opposition. After almost 14 years in power, Chavez survived cancer and the most formidable opponent of his presidency, youthful former state governor Henrique Capriles, to win the election and another six-year term. The anti-US firebrand vowed to deepen his oil-funded socialist revolution after hailing his "perfect" victory. But he also reached out to disenchanted voters by pledging to work with the opposition, a tacit acceptance that this was a narrower victory than in the past and that Venezuela is a country very much divided. "I want to include everybody, including sectors of the opposition," Chavez, wearing his trademark red shirt, told thousands of cheering supporters from the balcony of his Miraflores presidential residence. "I commit to being a better president than I've been these past few years," the 58-year-old leader said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted October 8, 2012 Share Posted October 8, 2012 Most Dictators have 97%+ election participation and never lose no matter the protests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjfootballer Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 :bsflag: Yeah right Chavez :bsflag: Same old same old.:yawnee: :king: for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teller Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 So Chavez is a bum, who promises he'll do better in his next term. And Venezuelans will probably end up with even more government reliance? Just change the headline in a few months, Reuters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 Most Dictators have 97%+ election participation and never lose no matter the protests. Chavez won by 10 percentage points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The vote counting is fair in Venezuela. The campaigning is not. Chavez is very careful to make sure that the actual vote counting is above reproach, because it gives him a legitimacy that he does not actually deserve from the way he governs and the way he quashes the opposition outside of the actual vote counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 The vote counting is fair in Venezuela. The campaigning is not. Chavez is very careful to make sure that the actual vote counting is above reproach, because it gives him a legitimacy that he does not actually deserve from the way he governs and the way he quashes the opposition outside of the actual vote counting. I agree with you, to an extent. The reason why he shut that TV station down is because they actually did commit treason. Not in a "he is a dictator" way, but in a "if Fox News decided to support a coup of President Obama, then it fails and pretends like the leader of the coup is still in power" type of way. But that doesnt mean there should not be opposition TV outlets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 I agree with you, to an extent.The reason why he shut that TV station down is because they actually did commit treason. Not in a "he is a dictator" way, but in a "if Fox News decided to support a coup of President Obama, then it fails and pretends like the leader of the coup is still in power" type of way. But that doesnt mean there should not be opposition TV outlets He harasses the only other independent TV network with endless legal charges to ensure that they don't broadcast anything negative about him. He pulled the licenses of 250 radio stations for opposing him. He made it a criminal offense for the press to report on anything "harmful to the interests of the state," and for anyone at all to "defame the President" and uses those laws to arrest reporters, opposing politicians and activists. Any time a state elects an opposition governor, he cuts the federal money to that state to punish the voters. Don't be a dupe. This guy genuinely sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsiaticSkinsFan Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 He harasses the only other independent TV network with endless legal charges to ensure that they don't broadcast anything negative about him. He pulled the licenses of 250 radio stations for opposing him. He made it a criminal offense for the press to report on anything "harmful to the interests of the state," and for anyone at all to "defame the President" and uses those laws to arrest reporters, opposing politicians and activists. Any time a state elects an opposition governor, he cuts the federal money to that state to punish the voters. Don't be a dupe. This guy genuinely sucks. what part of, "I agree with you, to an extent," did you not understand? If the media are being treasonous like in the 2002 failed coup, then he was right to cut them out. That was the, "to an extent" part. Restricting media opposition is completely different and wrong and I agree he needs to stop that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 9, 2012 Share Posted October 9, 2012 what part of, "I agree with you, to an extent," did you not understand?If the media are being treasonous like in the 2002 failed coup, then he was right to cut them out. That was the, "to an extent" part. Restricting media opposition is completely different and wrong and I agree he needs to stop that. Well, I guess I was responding to all of your posts in this thread, collectively. Things like "Americans love judging but dont like being judged" and its funny how [Jimmy Carter's] quotes were not reported on any American MSM publications tho..." Basically, to equate the bull that is going on in Venezuela to the imperfect but infinitely better voting system in the USA is really pretty lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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