bubba9497 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Take the high road on race, Williams advises McNabb By Ashley McGeachy Fox Inquirer Staff Writer http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/sports/6901462.htm Doug Williams, quarterback of the Super Bowl XXII champion Washington Redskins, and, like Donovan McNabb, a black man, has a few questions for Rush Limbaugh: Could Rush make it up the stairs to do his radio show with a broken ankle? How many times has Rush put on a jockstrap? Could Rush answer a question or two regarding his inane comments Sunday about McNabb? Williams guesses at an answer for the last question. "It's hard to explain yourself when you have a big foot in your mouth," Williams said. Sitting in his office at Grambling State University, where he is the head football coach, Williams sighed yesterday when told of Limbaugh's color-coded comments during ESPN's NFL pregame show Sunday morning. Limbaugh, the network's latest acrimonious acquisition, said he never thought McNabb was "that good" of a quarterback. "I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL," Limbaugh continued. "The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there's a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve." Williams, 48, has heard his share of racially motivated slights. As a player, he led the Redskins to their second Super Bowl title in 1988, humiliating the Denver Broncos, 42-10, in the championship game. Williams tied what was then the Super Bowl record for touchdown passes (four) while throwing for 340 yards, as he became the first African American quarterback to lead his team to the title. Whenever harsh words were spoken about him, Williams took the high road. Turned down the volume. Put down the paper. It is Williams' wish that McNabb do the same where Limbaugh is concerned. The man and his skewed views are not deserving of worry. "You're going to hear it," Williams said. "The key is not whether you hear it. It's how you handle it, how you blow them off, how you take it with a grain of salt... . I think Donovan is a stronger individual than to let that kind of stuff get to him. Hopefully, Donovan will not buy into Rush Limbaugh. He needs to know there are a few Rush Limbaughs out there, but there are a few people who know a little differently." Williams is one of them. He loves McNabb, was won over by him when he returned from an ankle injury to lead the Eagles to last season's NFC title game. The two are football friends. Williams has made a point to get to know McNabb since McNabb's days at Syracuse, and the two were together in New York to celebrate in 2001, when Michael Vick became the first African American quarterback picked first in the NFL draft. With a wealth of African Americans quarterbacking teams - Daunte Culpepper, Steve McNair, Quincy Carter, Vick and McNabb, among them - Williams believes he soon will see another black quarterback win the Super Bowl. "I think the opportunities are there," Williams said. "Last year, we had two kids in the championship games. Make sure to let Rush know it was McNabb and McNair, the two Mcs." Where Limbaugh is concerned, Williams places much-deserved blame on ESPN, which cuts the conservative radio-show wonk a check for his weekly participation in their programming. "You've got to chalk it up to the people who hire Rush," Williams said. "Look at it realistically. They knew what they were hiring. You can paint a zebra, but it's still a zebra. That was an awful thing he said. When Donovan McNabb was playing well, the Philadelphia Eagles were playing well. So goes Donovan McNabb, so go the Eagles. "So, to make that statement was very, very inaccurate, and wrong. I think Rush Limbaugh's personal feelings came out on that one, and his personal views, which have been his views for a long time. You can't put the fox in the henhouse." But you can do what Williams does, and what he hopes McNabb will do. "I just turn the TV down sometimes," he said. "It's better." Roster move. The Eagles yesterday cut defensive lineman Frank Ferrara and re-signed first-year cornerback Daryon Brutley, possibly signaling the return of injured defensive lineman Brandon Whiting. The Eagles' secondary, like its line, has been hit hard by injuries, most recently Troy Vincent's strained hamstring. After a stint in NFL Europe, Brutley was with the Eagles during preseason but was released as part of the team's final cutdown Aug. 31. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manly Dexter Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 OK. Here it goes: Here is the problem with this country. A man, like myself, can't speak the truth without getting ostracized by everyone. What exactly was racist about Rush's comments? He didn't say that Mcnabb sucks because he is black, did he? He told the truth, as harsh as it may sound to SOME people. It's funny how it's become OK to lie or sugar-coat your words so you won't pi55 off any "sensitive" people. The truth is always better than anything else, period. And rap music sucks. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbear Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Now RUsh did infer that Mcnab was just an average QB and that if he were white he wouldn't be a star in this league. To me, I have to wonder if he has watched McNab for the past few seasons. He has absolutely killed the Redskins. Believe it or not, I don't say that because he's Black. I say it because he has been awesome. The simple truth is to turn around and say we wouldn't pay as much attention to him as fans if he was white is rediculous. We paid attention because he was a threat to beat us. It doesn't matter what his stats were, he found a way in the fourth quarter of games to win them. As a side note, two years ago Plummer was the come back kid. He never had even the stats or come back ability of McNabb, but there was a lot of hype about him. Was it because he was white? No. He just had a mythos about him (till he fell apart). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manly Dexter Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 McNabb sucks. Are you a Skins fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlanta Skins Fan Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 "How long has McNabb been a black quarterback?" -- Doug Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waldo da Magnificent Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Originally posted by Manly Dexter OK. Here it goes: Here is the problem with this country. A man, like myself, can't speak the truth without getting ostracized by everyone. What exactly was racist about Rush's comments? He didn't say that Mcnabb sucks because he is black, did he? He told the truth, as harsh as it may sound to SOME people. It's funny how it's become OK to lie or sugar-coat your words so you won't pi55 off any "sensitive" people. The truth is always better than anything else, period. And rap music sucks. LOL No, he DIDN'T tell the truth - that's the problem. He made it seem that McNabb's entire career was suspect, and that the 'media' (which Rush is a card carrying member) had an agenda in supporting him because he is Black. NcNabb is a pro-bowl QB who had a couple of bad games. Fan or not, he did not deserve to be smeared as some kind a affirmative action jock who is only a QB because of the media. PS - country music sucks. No, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Country and Rap both suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlobberKnockinFootball Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 I think it was on sportstalk radio last night on the sports reporters. They were going over McNabb's stats. And they were very poor stats for a starting QB. Now, stats can also be misleading. As a passer McNabb bites the big one. But when it comes to making a play with his feet that's a different story and that makes him good. Not great, but good. Who ever mentioned just because he burns the Skins doesn't qaulify him as being a great QB. Every team has an opposing player that just kills them everytime they play. About Limbaugh's comments. I'm kind of on the fence. I can see what he's saying. But I don't think he backed up his point very well. He just didn't have enough evidence to get the audience to understand what he was trying to convey. I don't think the comments were racist in anyway. It's funny, if you just mention the word "black" now a days you're running with the KKK. If people get sensative about people using that term. Then I'd like to be called "caucasian" and not "white" or "cracker". There is too much attention being drawn to his comments and they are trying to portray him as a racist now just because of a point he was trying to make. Just to let you guys know I'm not a Limbaugh fan at all. I'm just solely talking about his comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Were Fatbaugh a true racist, I could at least respect his devotion to his beliefs no matter how warped they happened to be. However, he's simply creating controversy to collect a paycheck....making a splash to garner attention to his new gig. No different than Al Sharpton if you ask me. I'd yawn at this if I wasn't so busy trying to find my anti nausea medication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBlue Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Originally posted by Manly Dexter OK. Here it goes: Here is the problem with this country. A man, like myself, can't speak the truth without getting ostracized by everyone. What exactly was racist about Rush's comments? He didn't say that Mcnabb sucks because he is black, did he? He told the truth, as harsh as it may sound to SOME people. It's funny how it's become OK to lie or sugar-coat your words so you won't pi55 off any "sensitive" people. The truth is always better than anything else, period. And rap music sucks. LOL You couldn't be more wrong. What's great about this country is that everyone is entitled to provide their opinion on a subject, no matter how stupid or ignorant that opinion is. However, everyone else has a right to speak out on what an idiot that individual is for espousing such a myopic, politically-charges and impicitly racist opinion. Rush implied that the only reason McNabb is thought of as a great QB is because he's black. You may think he sucks or you may think he is the greatest QB of alltime. However, to imply that the only reason McNabb is looked on as a top flight QB is due to "the medias'" need to have a black QB be succesful is ignorant and myopic at best, racist at worst. In this debate, notably, the entity that I am most frustrated with is ESPN. Certainly, Ru****es are entitled to their (mistaken) belief that "the media" has a liberal bias and favors blacks and other minorities at the expense of whites. But why, for goodness sakes, do I have to hear about that on an NFL Pregame Show??? If they want to diss McNabb for his inability to be consistent out of the pocket, fine. But, please, please, keep your ignorant belief that McNabb is only looked at as a good QB because he is black off my freaking NFL Countdown. :doh: There is a time and a place for this kind of talk. My hope is that it goes back to MSNBC, CNN and FoxNews and stays away from ESPN and the Sportspage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Tooth Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 I can't stand Rush. He really does not know anything about football. It is like listening to Dennis Miller all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 He is not a racist and what he said is being ignored as usual. And as he said its his opinion. Who hasnt said mcnabb is a running back playing at QB and not great at either. And the skins suck playing against any mobile scrambling QB. To be honest I wont be surprised if the cowboys quincy carter gives us problems. Heck didnt he beat us last year? Does that means Quincy is great because he beat us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Has anyone offered an alternative explanation for WHY he is overrated? I dont know if I agree with Rush regarding the reason. But I certainly can see that McNabb is WAY overrated. So that begs the question. What other reasons are there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBlue Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Navy, with all due respect you are missing the point. certainly, a reasonable discussion may be had as to whether mcnabb is overrated. What Rush implied is that McNabb is overrated because he is valued more simply due to the color of his skin. That is a political statement and has nothing to do with his ability or potential. If you want to belief that, fine, its certainly your right. But its difficult for me to see how one could not easily construe the statement as racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thinker Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Frankly the stupidest part of what Rush said is that the media needs successful black qbs. Some of the genuinely hottest qbs are already black and I don't think that many people even really think about race by position much any more. Look who's hot - Vick, McNair, Leftwich, Carter, Culpepper -- and a couple who suck - Blake, Stewart, and the guy in NO. At this point in time I don't think it is like it was 20 years ago when great black college qbs come into the NFL and their team told them they had to switch positions. In fact the last prominent college star qb who was told to change positions was white (the Heisman winner - drafted by St. Louis /quit/signed GB/cut/signed in Canada 0- can't think of his name). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TerpSkin Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Has anyone offered an alternative explanation for WHY he is overrated? Same reason Garcia is overrated. The media gets carried away with everything. If you are up... you are WAY up in the media's eyes, and if you are down, you are WAY down in the media's eyes. Right now, after just two bad games, I would argue McNabb is underrated because people are getting carried away. Yes, McNabb had been overrated and the Eagles were predominantly carried by their D. But McNabb still was and is pretty darn good and the reason for his being overrated has nothing to do with people wanting black coaches and QBs to succeed (even if there are some people out there who want that)... it has to do with the hyperbole of the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryClark#84 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 What's hilarious about all of this is that if the Philadelphia Eagles were 3-0 or even 2-1, this wouldn't even be a topic of conversation. Rush was hired by ESPN simply to voice his controversial opinions to supplant his position on NFL countdown. Take away his skewed insight, you have a boring politician talking about something completely out of his element. Also,since when have we convicted QB's so quickly in the 4th week of the NFL season. That is so mind boggling to me. Half of the people we are praising and half of the players we are condemning, will look mighty different in week 12, please believe me. Hopefully my beloved skins will be contrary to that point though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryClark#84 Posted October 1, 2003 Share Posted October 1, 2003 Oh and long live the art form and the culture of HIP HOP ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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