LightningBuggs Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 How bout former Card Rex Hadnot? Doesn't Shanny like versatile guys? http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/cardinals-release-rex-hadnot/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jivelikenice Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 if we sign Bell I'm feeling great about our FA class. He would make us 4 deep at tackle. The interior can be addressed in the draft....I do think that we are in dire need of a backup interior lineman considering Kory is coming off a big injury. Rachal would be a good cheap signing who can push for a starting job and worst case provide some depth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSilverMaC Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 If it makes you guys feel any better.Any scrap heat we put together on O-line can't be much worse, than what RG3 was rolling with @Baylor. Imagine if our O-line gives RG3 more time, than he ever had at Baylor? Now that my friends...is scary. Sure, we can't have turnstiles & think we're going to protect RG3 or Rex. But having a QB than can escape & anticipate using his legs to buy time, will be huge not only for the offense & Offensive Line. But by extending what would normally be, failed 3rd down opportunities...give our offense more 1st down conversions, Time of possession & more breathers for the Defense. Griffin himself actually offers a lot of ability to make the line play or at least look better. His accuracy down field and the fact he isn't afraid to throw it deep will force d's to play a little more honest, his mobility as you mentioned allows him to either make a play on his feet or buy time to find an open receiver, and just him getting the ball out on time will negate a lot of the pressure that Rex, Beck, Campbell, and Brunell faced when they were starting. None of that is to say we don't need to improve the line, but if the line plays like it did at the beginning of the year last year Griffin will be ok until we can actually upgrade the line.if we don't pick up an FA or draft someone who can start whee we could use an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planter Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I think OL gets addressed in the draft. Shanny doesn't really spend big bucks on FA OL, don't need to with the ZBS. I'm becoming increasingly concerned that Shanahan's ZBS scheme is about to meet NFC East reality...and it won't be pretty. Ware, Tuck, pierre paul, dominant NTs meet the Skins lo budget "hogs". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman21ST Posted March 18, 2012 Author Share Posted March 18, 2012 I'm becoming increasingly concerned that Shanahan's ZBS scheme is about to meet NFC East reality...and it won't be pretty. Ware, Tuck, pierre paul, dominant NTs meet the Skins lo budget "hogs". Our "budget hogs" are going to do just fine. We've been doing it for two years now and there hasn't really been that much difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-bomb Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 c4man5282@c4man5282Reply Retweet @Jsteelzextreme cool…so we must be really interested in Bell. 2 me he is a very interesting player if healthy and can start RT day 1 4 us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 I really, really want Bell now. Sign him and we can draft a OG in the third or fourth round. I'd be OK with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswerdlw Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 D. Bell played left tackle for the Bills, right? Has he ever played right tackle? I know it's not a big deal, but I was wondering. Sometimes, I think that T. Williams might be a better than average left tackle who would be a killer right tackle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 LT are supposed to be more athletic than RT so you can't go wrong with LT moving to the right side. Bell would be a nice signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Like I said, I wasn't as comfortable running to the outside as I would have liked. Running between the tackle and the guard was usually all right, but edge running really wasn't working for us this year. I don't think the scheme is really designed to be an edge run scheme. The point of the Zone Blocking Scheme and the stretch play is to get the d-line moving horizontally, open up holes, and then right when the back says daylight, he cuts up inside the whole. That's what "one cut back" sort of means; it's not about getting outside and taking it up field. It's about stretch the d-line, opening the hole, the running back reading the first hole he sees, squaring his shoulders and getting up field. The only time you're supposed to take it outside is one the o-line doesn't open holes. That was the problem with Torain a lot of the time; instead of cutting up field and getting moving north and south when he found daylight, he'd try to take runs to the outside and ignore some of the holes the line open up. This was especially true this season, after the Rams game. The scheme is designed so that you never really take a huge loss, yet Torain was getting stopped in the backfield. If he just cut upfield and drove towards the line, he'd at least NOT lose yardage. Hightower was better, but it was the same sort of the deal; if he identified a hole, he was better at cutting up and squaring his shoulders and going north and south. But if he didn't he'd take it to the outside, and then he'd get stuffed and it was usually a loss. Roy and Evan rarely got stopped in the backfield, because they were a LOT better about sticking their heel in the ground and getting going vertically. Helu would stick his foot in the ground, hit the whole and burst through it, and it's the same with Evan. Hell, Royster isn't the fastest guy in the universe, but he PLAYS fast just from the fact that he's quicker to the hole and accelerating through it. Watch Terrell Davis highlights and you won't see him taking runs all the way outside very often. Same thing with Portis when he was in Denver. That's how I see it, anyway.. (I dumped this hear instead of cluttering up the free agency thread, in case anyone is confused.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 It looks like we really like Bell. Hopefully something he did over the offseason addressed his injury concerns. If he can play a full season he would be an excellent addition and would be the other anchor on the line. How bout former Card Rex Hadnot? Doesn't Shanny like versatile guys?http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/18/cardinals-release-rex-hadnot/ I was actually thinking he might be worth at least looking at. He's right around the size of a ZBS interior lineman, he's actually the exact weight of Will Montgomery. Depth across the interior of the line would be great to have, so if he can be had for cheap and fits the system I think he'd be someone to at least look at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#BgMase76# Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Everyone grade Chris Chester we was an under performer for the Ravens, I didnt like the move then and I am still unsure of him now. Yeah, i was thinking he'd be an upgrade but no. While he was better than Brown (which really isn't saying much) I can't remember a play where he dominated anyone. I understand the ZBS but remember Denver having some real nasty biggums on the line. I really don't see anyone on our oline who really attacks off the ball. I love watching TW own demarcus ware on passing downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MR2Drift Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Are any of the OL guys we drafted outside of Trent worth a damn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 D. Bell played left tackle for the Bills, right? Has he ever played right tackle? I know it's not a big deal, but I was wondering. Sometimes, I think that T. Williams might be a better than average left tackle who would be a killer right tackle. Trent was playing at an All-Pro level at LT before his suspension lets leave him there for good. You dont draft a guy like him who's a freak athlete and everything Shanny wants in a LT and then move him to RT because of a free agency move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Are any of the OL guys we drafted outside of Trent worth a damn? A whole bunch of guys we drafted or picked up in FA played some, and at the end of the season, started to play ok. Hurt started a bunch of games as a rookie at LG, and looked inconsistent. But it was his rookie hear, and he was thrown into the first. Willie Smith played ok at times filling in for Trent when he was suspended. Polumbus wasn't a rookie, but played decently for a backup at RT. At least we finally have some young guys who have some experience, that can either develop as starters or at last as backups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Would have liked to hear that we were looking at Geoff Schwartz. He coul dbe the bargain of FA this year. I like Bell also, so I'm not complaining about that possibility. Frankly, I think we could afford to sign both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dukes and Skins Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 Would have liked to hear that we were looking at Geoff Schwartz. He coul dbe the bargain of FA this year. I like Bell also, so I'm not complaining about that possibility. Frankly, I think we could afford to sign both. shhhh dont tell Goodell and Mara that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufus T Firefly Posted March 18, 2012 Share Posted March 18, 2012 shhhh dont tell Goodell and Mara that.... Well, I suppose that would harm competitive balance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedBNG Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'd like us to get Anthony Collins (from the Bengals) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'd like to get Collins and Bell and move one to guard....we'd be set for years. If the cap allows that would be my best case scenario as we don't know how Lich is coming along back from a blown knee. Willie Smith I hope turns into a starter at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldskool Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 What scares me is that there hasn't even been a peep about Collins visiting any teams or even resigning with the Bungles. As for Demetrius Bell, he is the epitome of inconsistency. I wouldn't spend much money on him or count on him being a starter if I were the Skins. The Bills OL has been awful for years, and he's one of the reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Excuse me!? They were #1 in sacks given up, averaged nearly 5 yards a pop on the ground, and the massive injuries that hit them are a big reason they fell apart down the stretch. And this with a mediocre QB under center. The Bills have had OL problems, but now they look like the textbook example of how TO build an OL without throwing a bunch of resources at it. Bell has the potential to be an ELITE tackle in a ZBS, because he's already a great pass protector, and he's a good run blocker in a power scheme, so his gifts will be magnified in the ZBS. I'd argue he's better than Winston if you disregard the injury history. And he has a lot less mileage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswerdlw Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I'd be onboard with Anthony Collins. Pollack is also intriguing at guard. If I'm not mistaken, he was a highly regarded center coming out of college. Versatility is always a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Um, Bengals fans seem to be thrilled the Bengals haven't wanted to touch Collins with a ten foot pole. One would think that doesn't exactly point to finding a gem of an offensive lineman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWJ Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 The ONLY possible red flag about Collins is that he was at Jerome Simpson's house the day that package arrived. One has to wonder if maybe he may be involved in drugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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