The Robert Griffin Experience Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Mods please merge if this thread overlaps with the subject matter of the existing threads. Given the kind of price we paid for the right to draft Robert Griffin III, I imagine that there are some (many?) who are concerned about his transition to the NFL game which will allow him to be the franchise QB we've been searching for the last 20 years. So I would like this thread to be a discussion on the SPECIFIC concerns that lead you to believe that he will "bust" or at least not perform to expectations. Let's stay away from discussion on: Previous first round QB busts Your opinion on what we traded for him Simply assuming that "Such and such played in X system or played in X conference and nobody good comes out of there" - you have to explain why this is relevant "Heisman Trophy winners always suck in the NFL!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I'd like to see people try to pick RGIII apart. It's a losing argument - this guy is a sure-fire franchise-changer. No other QB has ever had skills that come close to his. And he's not some small school project -- he won something called the Heisman Trophy recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I'm OK with the trade and think RGIII is a great prospect who is a very good scheme fit for what we do here. I think there is a good chance he is going to be a very good player here .......but he is not a sure thing. No rookie is. My concerns are: 1. He has no experience working under centre - we run a system based on the WCO and although we use a lot of boot action and movement the staple of our passing game is a timing based 3 and 5 step drop throw. RGIII footwork is very much a work in progress in this area and while I think he will get this down it will take a lot of work to get right. It's critical to him becoming as good as we need him to be that he does get it down. 2. He ran a pretty simple offense in College in terms of his reads. He threw a lot of short stuff and deep but not many NFL type stick routes or intermediate throws. You will not see many dig route or deep outs on his tape and he was not asked to read across the field at all. Not many College QBs are to be fair but how he develops in this respect will again effect the speed of his development and how much we can open the play book especially early in his career. 3. Level of competition. He played some pretty poor defenses this year and it's an unknown how long/if he will adjust to the much improved talent level and speed of the game at NFL level. I think he will but some very physically talented QBs have failed to do this. Whatever anyone says RGIII is not a sure thing, but he gives is hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel_Skin Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Barring injury, he should be an above average if not perennial all pro, IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWFLSkins Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I'm OK with the trade and think RGIII is a great prospect who is a very good scheme fit for what we do here. I think there is a good chance he is going to be a very good player here .......but he is not a sure thing. No rookie is. My concerns are:Whatever anyone says RGIII is not a sure thing, but he gives is hope. Very well laid out Martin, enjoyed the read. And while I don't think any QB is 100% ready at draft, I do think RG3 has the attitude, intellectual and physical abilities to get up to speed quickly. I want to see him start, no more shelving him, develop him as quickly as possible on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Still, I'm interested to see who, if anyone, has a wholly negative evaluation, and why? Like, people say "any QB can be a bust" but in reality, the biggest QB busts had clear holes in their skillset, whether physical or mental or personality-wise (otherwise known as intangibles), that kept them from being top quality QBs, and those holes could have been identified without having to draft them. Does RGIII share any tangible characteristics with bust QBs? Is there a "glaring" red flag that might keep him from being successful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan4life83 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 No draft pick is a sure fire, can't miss prospect. Not even Andrew Luck. Robert Griffin III has a skillset that is just scary. He is Vick fast but has one if the most accurate arms to come outta college in a while. He is also super smart, high character guy. With Shanny his chances to succeed are above average at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I'd like to get him compared to all QBs drafted in the first round over the past 6 years for comparisons sake. He and Luck seem to be talked about as can't miss players and if it weren't for Luck (basically an anomaly) RGIII would go first overall. How do they stack up to the Newtons, Staffords, Bradfords, Mannings, Rodgers of the world? Obviously Luck is said to be far above all but how close, behind or ahead is RGIII? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwSEANd Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 1. He has no experience working under centre not this past year, but i have read that his freshman year the offense didn't use much shotgun. he also has spent a large portion of his time since his season ended working on pro-style footwork. 2. He ran a pretty simple offense in College in terms of his reads. NFL offenses are usually more complex than college ones. i haven't seen any evidence that Baylor's is especially simple, though. 3. Level of competition. He played some pretty poor defenses this year he more than doubled Oklahoma's average points allowed. he really rose to the occasion in that game. otherwise, yeah, he didn't play a lot of good defenses. an interesting thing to note is that, of your three negatives, they're actually not negatives - they are areas of uncertainty. it's not like anyone can say he's *bad* at anything - just that we don't know how good he is at certain things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 There's already a thread for that, which is why I wasn't sure this should be its own thread. Basically, I'm trying to see if anyone can find some truly "glaring" red flags that everyone else is missing. People ignored huge red flags with Leaf and Russell, but I don't think RGIII has anything even resembling those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
London Kev Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, then it's probably a duck. Substitute the words "a duck" for the words "the real deal" and I think that is what we have got. I did have a minor concern about Griffin playing under center and his 3 and 5 step dropbacks. But after reading an article (sorry no link) about him staying behind after practice/games with his center just to work on this, I think he will be fine. There will be a lot of pressure on this young man's shoulders to produce, but he seems to have a strong character and support system, so once again I think he will be ok. Exciting times indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fat Stupid Loser Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Still, I'm interested to see who, if anyone, has a wholly negative evaluation, and why?Like, people say "any QB can be a bust" but in reality, the biggest QB busts had clear holes in their skillset, whether physical or mental or personality-wise (otherwise known as intangibles), that kept them from being top quality QBs, and those holes could have been identified without having to draft them. Does RGIII share any tangible characteristics with bust QBs? Is there a "glaring" red flag that might keep him from being successful? I don't see how anyone could have a completely negative evaluation of him. He has too many good attributes, so I can't imagine you receiving that kind of argument. Martin summed my concerns up best. The one post above stating no other qb has ever had skills close to his, is the stuff I balk at. That's just silly. My argument is that studs putting up huge numbers from the spread are a dime a dozen. How many of them sniff the NFL, much less have success.There are five every year. Look for next year's RG3 in Morgantown. I do believe Griff (which should be his new nickname) is better than the vast majority of those guys. Simply because of his physical gifts and that he is smarter (super-smart?) than the average bear. The question is will he make the jump. I believe so. How long will it take? Won't be 2012. The only characteristic of a bust he has is that he has no experience doing what is required of an NFL qb. You'd like to see someone you mortgaged the future for have a bit of that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I have few worries when I use the context that he and Luck are the "least Risk" picks of all potential picks that address our team's most glaring need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tay Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I think RG3 will be a great player, but I'll play along for the purposes of the thread. 1. Play under center. While he did play under center his freshman and sophomore season, the highlights I saw weren't positive. He didn't seem to have any rhythm on his drops and he didn't seem to set his feet on his release. The one positive that I noted when watching him under center was his effectiveness using the bootleg. I think that will translate easily into this system. 2. Durability. This is a concern with any player, but since he has had an ACL tear and a concussion, it does seem concerning. 3. Movement in the pocket. He does a great job escaping pressure to buy time, but I don't think he has a good feel for stepping up, or just moving within the pocket to buy time. That's all that I can come up with. I think the guy has the mental capacity and work ethic to overcome these issues. In my eyes he will be a perennial pro bowler and the franchise QB we are looking for. I'm glad we didn't draft a QB in last years draft and waited for the best opportunity. He's been our best option at QB since Shanny's arrival. Well played Coach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsciambi Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I worry because I don't hear anyone talking about any negatives. He's got to have some, but what are they? And why isn't the media talking about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 LL56 posted this link on Twitter this morning. It's a very good read and a good evaluation of RGIII's skills and what he needs to work on. I suggest reading it. http://www.newerascouting.com/2011/12/12/robert-griffin-iii-2012-nfl-draft-scouting-report/ Now for the comments about him not playing under center, he did that at Baylor 25% of the time. I have been watching a lot of youtube videos of him since yesterday and everything I have seen has me even more excited. I do think he does pull the ball back down and run a little to quickly, but then I see him standing strong in the pocket knowing he is going to get smacked and keeping his eyes down field. On the scounting report link, look at the video on his arm strength. It was the last second touchdown against OK. The thing that impresses me so much on that play, he slid to his left, kept his eyes down field and then threw the ball back across the field. All that is pretty sweet, but the part I like the best is when you watch the slow motion replay. He is about to get smacked hard and still delivers the ball. He took a helatious <sp> shot to the head but it didn't prevent him from making the throw and keeping his concentration. I don't think that is something that is taught. Either you have it or you don't. Once he works with Shanny on his drop back footwork some more and his decision making, we got the makings of potential superstar QB. In all honesty, I feel as though we got the better end of the trade and underpaid for him. I am excited to be a Skins fan again. There is a lot to be excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogofWar1 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I don't think there's really a true "He CAN'T do this," but there are enough "He hasn't shown he can do this," pieces that there's questions. 1. Footwork needs work. He's done a lot to dispel this, but he still needs work. 2. Throwing with anticipation. He hasn't needed to do this, so he may or may not be able to. 3. Making reads and progressions. Same as 2. The thing that is nice though is that he's a real student, and hungry to learn. If he CAN do something, he seems to make it his mission to DO it. And thus far I don't think there's anything he can't do, so the pieces he doesn't have yet he will soon have. I'll also mention that his propensity for keeping his eyes down field looking for a receiver is HUGE, especially in the face of D-linemen. That's not something you can teach, and will probably be the difference between a sack and a 1st down a good 10 or so times a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Nostril Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I'm optimistic about Griffin, but it does concern me that he came from the same college coach and system that produced Kevin Kolb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Too light on his feet. Hasn't faced NFL caliber D for which he might have at least had a taste had he played in the SEC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duckus Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 not this past year, but i have read that his freshman year the offense didn't use much shotgun. he also has spent a large portion of his time since his season ended working on pro-style footwork.NFL offenses are usually more complex than college ones. i haven't seen any evidence that Baylor's is especially simple, though. he more than doubled Oklahoma's average points allowed. he really rose to the occasion in that game. otherwise, yeah, he didn't play a lot of good defenses. an interesting thing to note is that, of your three negatives, they're actually not negatives - they are areas of uncertainty. it's not like anyone can say he's *bad* at anything - just that we don't know how good he is at certain things. He destroyed Texas defense last year. I was there. Absolutely shredded it. Texas had a strong defense last year. Stats would have looked even better had they had any offense at all to get their defense off the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCClybun Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Too light on his feet. Hasn't faced NFL caliber D for which he might have at least had a taste had he played in the SEC. What does "too light on his feet" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big#44 Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 What does "too light on his feet" mean? He gets happy feet. He never settles in the pocket and throws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destructis Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 He gets happy feet. He never settles in the pocket and throws. I suggest going to that link I posted on his scouting report. It talks about his foot work. One thing that he does is that when he is under pressure, he doesn't throw off his back foot like most college QB's do. When I was looking at him on youtube, I noticed that he does plant before he throws. What I would like to see more film of is him throwing timing routes. I didn't see much of that on youtube. I am confident that Shanny will work with him on timing routes. The kid is smart and willing to put in the work. The things I would like to see more can be learned. Natural ability is awesome right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newera Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 His protection was terrible at Baylor. He was constantly under pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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