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sportjunkie07

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And I'd argue that none of the backs who are on the roster have proven they can do the job for a full 16 game season. Lots of good potential, but that's all right now.

thats right.. all have shown the talent to play at this level in this scheme, and to do it well.

however, none have shown they can stay healthy while doing so.

even so, though, youd have to think having 3 solid running backs (pending hightower's signing) is pretty decent depth. throw in a udfa or a late round pick and we should be set for the season.

rb is one of the least of our worries imo.

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London Kev

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I'm surprised by Carrikers decline, I know that his tackle count was low, but 5.5 sacks isn't bad for a 3-4 DE. I'd still like to see him re-signed and compete with Jenkins as the starter.

It's good to see some stats to back up Trents obvious progress. The talk of moving him to RT and signing/drafting a LT is pointless IMO, assuming that he can stay clean of course.

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skinny21

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Completely disagree.

Hightower isn't slow and is, in fact, faster than Royster and MUCH faster than Torain. He also runs with a good amount of power when healthy but the fact that he's somewhat of an upright runner (as is Helu) does make it somewhat more difficult to break arm tackles. Hightower's vision is actually what holds him back most.

Totally agree with you. Hightower's problem was hitting the right hole due to vision issues. He reminds me a bit of Green-Ellis - a fast and hard runner, but with a penchant for running into the back of his linemen (I.e. Lack of vision or patience). I like Hightower, but I think the other two outshone him (except at pass pro). If Helu can solidify his pass pro then he'll be the best of the bunch, but as of now I think Royster is a little more well rounded.

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ACW

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I think we're going to keep all three. I'm sure other teams feel that one of them could be a product of our Offense, but who cares? We're set at RB for the first time in a long time. I'll take it!
Well, works for me :D

Hightower/Helu/Royster. Keep all of them.

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Hightower isn't slow and is, in fact, faster than Royster and MUCH faster than Torain. He also runs with a good amount of power when healthy but the fact that he's somewhat of an upright runner (as is Helu) does make it somewhat more difficult to break arm tackles. Hightower's vision is actually what holds him back most.

Agree. Hightower runds hard and with power but he doesn't always have the best vision. But if he is healthy he should be on the roster next season. He's good catching out of the backfield and is excellent in pass pro. And Shanahan has said he likes Hightower's work ethic and that he practices the way he plays.

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pjfootballer

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Will Hightower be ok? Or will we go with a rookie back again. Coming off a massive injury is tough

I think it will be an open competition if Hightower is re-signed. It's not like the days of Gale Sayers when a knee injury ruins your career. Willis McGahee is proof of that. His knee was ripped in 3 places in the NCG.

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I think royster is like the anti-Reggie bush. As in bush was all althetisism with little vision, couldnt play in between the tackles and frail. Royster has amazing vision, great in between the tackles and is tough... Yet lacks elite athleticism. I belive that royster is like our smaller version of Arian Foster, back don't just need speed, vison is highly underrated when coming out of college.

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s0crates

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I like the bit about Evan Royster.

Royster's per carry average speaks to his skills. He sees the field well, gets the yards that are there, keeps his feet moving, and falls forward. He may not be the most physically gifted athlete, but what separates him from the pack is his instinct. He is, quite simply, a natural. I have been saying this since we drafted him.

Royster will not necessarily wow you, but he will be quite productive anyway. I look for Royster to get more carries and continue putting up impressive numbers.

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Look for our FO to draft another RB in the mid-late rounds, if we don't re-sign Hightower in the month leading up to the draft. That's just how Shanahan rolls, keeping the talent pipeline at RB going. He's gonna want a guy with potential at the end of the bench or on the PS, just like Royster.

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AlvinWaltonIsMyBoy

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Good to see Trent getting some love that's not THC related. He's gonna be a lot of fun to watch over the years.

Royster was a great late round pick. He's solid, and was a great running back at PSU. I'm not surprised at all that he was impressive, and I won't be surprised when he does well next year. I was thrilled that nobody claimed him off waivers at the beginning of the year.

I like Carriker for depth, but think we need an upgrade. Jenkins may be the answer, but I still think we need to grab another guy for our rotation.

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Hitman21ST

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Look for our FO to draft another RB in the mid-late rounds, if we don't re-sign Hightower in the month leading up to the draft. That's just how Shanahan rolls, keeping the talent pipeline at RB going. He's gonna want a guy with potential at the end of the bench or on the PS, just like Royster.

He waited two years to flip Portis to the Skins. How long until he flips Helu or Royster? Granted, it's not going to be this year, but will he even try to flip them, seeing as how Kyle will more than likely take over after he's gone?

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Eh, Portis was a hot commodity at the time. I think that deal was probably a one-time thing. Helu and Royster probably won't be perceived as highly around the league. They will never demand the type of contract that Shanny honestly told Portis he was worth, but the Broncos couldn't pay, which, along with Champs problems at home, etc. led to that trade.

Highly doubt Shanahan flips one of our RB's for anything.

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wildbill1952

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Most Improved

Trent Williams: From -23.4 to +3.8

The weighted formula saw him score a 96 (giving up two sacks, four hits and 13 hurries on 372 pass blocks) this year, after picking up a 93.4 (allowing four sacks, four hits and 35 hurries on 524 pass blocks) the previous year. In a conference low on quality left tackles, a healthy Williams could easily be on track for Pro Bowl recognition.

Very, very interesting stat. 5 Redskin offensive linemen gave up 41 sacks, 108 QB hits (Source: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&tabSeq=2&season=2011&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true) Taking away Trent's 2 sacks and 4 QB hits, I am just curious who from the Skins "much improved offensive line" accounted for the other 39 sacks, and more importantly, the other 104 QB hits?

Being suspended for 4 games obviously helped the raw data (2 + 4), but even extrapolating for an extra 4 games, Trent's numbers of the total sacks + QB hits would have been impressive, especially considering that the opposing D's sack artists usually line up against a tackle. The other 4 offensive linemen? Not so much, by comparison. Just curious where the weakness lies.

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Hitman21ST

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Most Improved

Trent Williams: From -23.4 to +3.8

The weighted formula saw him score a 96 (giving up two sacks, four hits and 13 hurries on 372 pass blocks) this year, after picking up a 93.4 (allowing four sacks, four hits and 35 hurries on 524 pass blocks) the previous year. In a conference low on quality left tackles, a healthy Williams could easily be on track for Pro Bowl recognition.

Very, very interesting stat. 5 Redskin offensive linemen gave up 41 sacks, 108 QB hits (Source: http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?seasonType=REG&offensiveStatisticCategory=OFFENSIVE_LINE&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&d-447263-s=PASSING_QBHIT&tabSeq=2&season=2011&role=TM&Submit=Go&archive=false&conference=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=null&qualified=true) Taking away Trent's 2 sacks and 4 QB hits, I am just curious who from the Skins "much improved offensive line" accounted for the other 39 sacks, and more importantly, the other 104 QB hits?

Being suspended for 4 games obviously helped the raw data (2 + 4), but even extrapolating for an extra 4 games, Trent's numbers of the total sacks + QB hits would have been impressive, especially considering that the opposing D's sack artists usually line up against a tackle. The other 4 offensive linemen? Not so much, by comparison. Just curious where the weakness lies.

Um, we had a lot more than 5 OL play for us this year. Trent, Monty, Lich, Chester, Brown, Cook, Smith, Locklear, and Hurt. Cook, Smith, Locklear, and Hurt were all backups who started due to injury.

Not only that, but in the Bills game, Beck got sacked 10 times. Maybe 2 or 3 of them are on the OL. The rest are on Beck for holding the ball entirely too long.

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