THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Who's not? Reiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsTillIDie Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I fully expect us to trade up for RGIII. But if we don't, and we somehow end up with Peyton Manning, I think Reiff would be by far the most logical choice. Manning will be playing (wherever he ends up) on the verge of a career ending injury -- it could be just one crushing hit that does it. Just having this in the back of his mind, he might never be the same mentally. With Manning, our offensive line would otherwise have to be the absolute strength of our offense, and right tackle is our most glaring short-term and long-term hole on offense (obviously outside of QB). Outside of QB, we have filled the 4 other most important offensive positions with young, burgeoning playmakers -- Trent Williams at LT, Leonard Hankerson at WR (who grades out similarly with Hakeem Nicks), Roy Helu (who grades out similarly with Matt Forte), and Fred Davis (who grades out similarly with Jermichael Finley). I would also argue that having an elite pass catching tight end is more important today than having a really good second wide receiver. Again, IF we were to sign Peyton Manning, drafting Reiff makes a ton of sense. We can (and will) add a WR2 in free agency with someone like Stevie Johnson, and we can add another promising wide receiver in the middle rounds (Ryan Broyles?). And for those thinking we should take Kirkpatrick, given the plethora of cornerbacks available in free agency (Cortland Finnegan, Brent Grimes, Stanford Routt, Tim Jennings), I'd expect us to add one and shore up that position... This will also allow us to play DeAngelo Hall some at free safety, where his ball-hawking instincts, tackling ability and deep speed may be best used for this team... But I digress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilco_holland Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Love the sportscience link. Blackmon is a target the size of a two car garage....maby we don´t need a different QB. I mean...even Beck and Grossman can hit a garage a two car garage. XD The draft is solid. It´s the most logical one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I'd rather see us draft Kirkpatrick #6 overall if we stay put in that scenario (no trade up), or to trade back. Same here but the pot issue on both sides I don't see it. He will be a shutdown corner in this league for a long time IF he stays clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If they absolutely cannot trade down then I'd be fine with the OT selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If they absolutely cannot trade down then I'd be fine with the OT selection. I would be too but i also would be very happy with reaching for a WR. Floyd or Wright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chump Bailey Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I would be too but i also would be very happy with reaching for a WR. Floyd or Wright Me too. I've cooled significantly on Alshon and don't want him at all. Either of those WR's would be great. What do you think about the NG Poe ST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TotalRecall Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Funny how everybody was crying about drafting O-line until recently. Yeah, our greatest need is QB (and has been for a long time despite the "O-line sucks" rants), but there are only 2 worthy QB draft picks that high and if they are gone and the top-5 picks are gone, then the final piece on "bookend tackles" would be huge. Yeah, we would still need our franchise QB, but we can't always get our way. We would have to get a QB in FA or in a trade or settle playing with a rookie QB (maybe Weeden in 2nd round). There are at least three 1st-round QBs in next year's draft to look forward to if we strikeout this offseason. I would not mind having Reiff if we can't make a move. Who would want to trade-up for our #6 position anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If we take an OL in the 1st round then clearly someone in that draft room is confused I'm not saying that I disagree, but boy has the mood around here changed since the Vinny days. Just two years ago, people would be throwing a parade for the front office if we drafted a big ugly with our first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilco_holland Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Funny how everybody was crying about drafting O-line until recently. Yeah, our greatest need is QB (and has been for a long time despite the "O-line sucks" rants), but there are only 2 worthy QB draft picks that high and if they are gone and the top-5 picks are gone, then the final piece on "bookend tackles" would be huge. Yeah, we would still need our franchise QB, but we can't always get our way. We would have to get a QB in FA or in a trade or settle playing with a rookie QB (maybe Weeden in 2nd round). There are at least three 1st-round QBs in next year's draft to look forward to if we strikeout this offseason. I would not mind having Reiff if we can't make a move. Who would want to trade-up for our #6 position anyways? Think about the Samuels and Jansen days. We never had to worry about the OT´s unless someone got hurt. You knew that with some solid inside guys that you always where able to run the ball and protect the QB. Adding that extra bookend tackle would make the situation way easier for any QB. But where does this o-line in the first hate come from? Since when are they valued that bad? We do want to spend boat load of money on a guy like Grubbs or Nicks but don't want to develop our own, wierd. I just would go BPA(that fits the systeme), you never can go wrong with that. And, yes that probally involves drafting Trent R. Is he the biggest need? No. Does it fix our problemes? No. Is it a luxury pick? Will it give us a beast, beast RB? Yes. Will it win us more games? Don't know. But I will say you one thing, Trent will be in the top 10 backs in this league within two years. He is that good. In our systeme he could be dominand and open up the passing game. Helu is a nice complement back to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburypgh Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I personally have no idea. I don't actually see us picking at 6 regardless of what happens, we'll either be at 2 or trade back in my mind. But I feel Reiff is a reach at 6. Say Kalil happened to fall to us at 6, then itd be justified to take an OT but other than that I don't know who we'd pick at 6. Trade back?? That's funny to me cause at 6, there's nobody worth trading up for. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backpack3r Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 **** all that. Get RG3 at all costs. Stop at nothing to get RG3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Me too. I've cooled significantly on Alshon and don't want him at all. Either of those WR's would be great.What do you think about the NG Poe ST? I dont really know a lot about him other than what i have read.....but IMHO i think our biggest need on D is NT not CB. All the great 3-4 D's have had really good NT's. I like Barry a lot but he's just not big enough for me. We need a guy that can take up 2 blockers every single play. It would create so many mis-matches with Rak and Kerrigan that the DB's would only have to cover for a second or two. I mean how many time have we seen the all out blitz but yet no one gets there right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburypgh Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Funny how everybody was crying about drafting O-line until recently. Yeah, our greatest need is QB (and has been for a long time despite the "O-line sucks" rants), but there are only 2 worthy QB draft picks that high and if they are gone and the top-5 picks are gone, then the final piece on "bookend tackles" would be huge. Yeah, we would still need our franchise QB, but we can't always get our way. We would have to get a QB in FA or in a trade or settle playing with a rookie QB (maybe Weeden in 2nd round). There are at least three 1st-round QBs in next year's draft to look forward to if we strikeout this offseason. I would not mind having Reiff if we can't make a move. Who would want to trade-up for our #6 position anyways?Why do people keep bringing weeden up? He's suppose to be like 29 when the season starts..who in their right mind would want a 29 year old rookie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I'm not saying that I disagree, but boy has the mood around here changed since the Vinny days. Just two years ago, people would be throwing a parade for the front office if we drafted a big ugly with our first pick. I agree, but i think this year the FA class for OL is very deep. I feel like if we stay @6 the position that will help our O the most is adding a playmaker. ---------- Post added February-10th-2012 at 08:31 AM ---------- Why do people keep bringing weeden up? He's suppose to be like 29 when the season starts..who in their right mind would want a 29 year old rookie? B/c from what people are saying if he were 22 he would be a high 1st round pick. So what if he's 28 or 29. If he can play he can play. Its not like he's been taking a beating for the last 8 years. If we cant get RGIII and we go after Weeden i would be fine with that. QB's can play into their late 30's now a days. Shoot i would be happy if we could get a good 5-6 years out of a QB.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 **** all that. Get RG3 at all costs. Stop at nothing to get RG3 If it's a case of "get RGIII at all costs/ stop at nothing to get RGIII"; then why not go the whole hog and get the VERY best @1? Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If it's a case of "get RGIII at all costs/ stop at nothing to get RGIII"; then why not go the whole hog and get the VERY best @1?Hail. I agree with this. I dont think the Colts would trade out but if its a matter of another 1st round pick...one more guy for Luck i would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If it's a case of "get RGIII at all costs/ stop at nothing to get RGIII"; then why not go the whole hog and get the VERY best @1?Hail. Totally agree on this one and think Luck is THE one. I really don't think we get or even take RGIII because there is too much being said about it. Will be interesting if we go FA route or maybe even trade for one of NE's backup's. Another option I have mentioned before is St. Louis drafting whomever Indy doesn't take and offering Bradford. It's a longshot but something that is not being discussed in the media which puts it under the radar which happens to be the way Shanny likes to operate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilsburypgh Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 I agree, but i think this year the FA class for OL is very deep. I feel like if we stay @6 the position that will help our O the most is adding a playmaker.---------- Post added February-10th-2012 at 08:31 AM ---------- B/c from what people are saying if he were 22 he would be a high 1st round pick. So what if he's 28 or 29. If he can play he can play. Its not like he's been taking a beating for the last 8 years. If we cant get RGIII and we go after Weeden i would be fine with that. QB's can play into their late 30's now a days. Shoot i would be happy if we could get a good 5-6 years out of a QB.. Ok, now by the time he grasp the game IF he does, he would be 32,33??? Then you get like maybe 4 good years out of him? We would be better of signing Peyton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.T.real,lights,out Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Ok, now by the time he grasp the game IF he does, he would be 32,33??? Then you get like maybe 4 good years out of him? We would be better of signing Peyton. It will not take that long. A year at the most but if we did draft him i would expect he would be playing by the end of this year. It no longer takes QB 3-4 years. Look at cam. Ran the most simple O in college football. He was able to learn his new O and make a big impact in a year with no offseason. Im not saying Weeden is anything like Cam im just saying guys these days can learn an O very quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missin Meast Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If we had to stay at 6 and couldn't draft a QB, I would take Ashlon Jeffrey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambler01 Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 Why do people keep bringing weeden up? He's suppose to be like 29 when the season starts..who in their right mind would want a 29 year old rookie? This is how I feel about Brandon Weeden; if he shows that he can play at the next level and learn quickly to start Day 1, then we are in absolutely no position to complain about his age. If we took him with a 3rd round pick and he pans out for 6-7 years, he'd LITERALLY be the best thing we've had since Mark Rypien! The bottom line is that Griffin III could be a lost cause and Rex Grossman cannot be the 2012 starting QB if Shannahan expects to retain his job past next season. At this point in time, all options need to be considered and that includes 29 year old rookie Brandon Weeden at QB for the Washington Redskins. If they absolutely cannot trade down then I'd be fine with the OT selection. I wouldn't mind going OL if we couldn't trade down after missing out on Griffin III. However, my preference would be to go best WR at #6 (particularly one with size comparable to Hakeem Nicks and Dez Bryant). We need a tall wideout like that to take advantage of small CBs creating opportunities for jump balls down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Robert Griffin Experience Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 If we're stuck at 6 and can't get RGIII or Luck, then I'd really consider drafting Coples if we haven't signed a 3-4 DE in the offseason. We can at the very least beef up our DL NYG style and make it into a dominant unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwitt Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 No way the Rams take Blackmon over Kalil. Protecting Sam Bradford is a bigger priority than getting him a weapon to throw to. Kalil is probably the best non QB prospect in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midniterc Posted February 10, 2012 Share Posted February 10, 2012 No way the Rams take Blackmon over Kalil. Protecting Sam Bradford is a bigger priority than getting him a weapon to throw to. Kalil is probably the best non QB prospect in this draft. Some feel that the Rams have already invested too much on the OLine, but I agree that they should take Kalil because they can take a good WR in the second round. The first five picks of the draft are dependent on what happens in free agency. Minnesota or St Louis might find a WR and/or OT in free agency and decide to take Claiborne in the draft. That might set up Cleveland to take Blackmon at #4, which would set up Tampa Bay to take Richardson at #5. That would leave Washington with Griffin at #6. There are so many possibilities right now, but free agency will trim the possibilities down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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