Burgold Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I thought Sleepy was having a very strong year for us at TE and was becoming a force before his stupid mistake cut short his season, but watching the playoffs you see the difference between a good tight end (Davis) and a force Gronk or V. Davis, etc. Now, part of it is qbing, but Davis was not able to make those huge plays that we're seeing routinely made in the playoffs. It makes you question where he ranks. Seems like a good, but not great tight end... maybe, time is also dimming my memory, but we lacked big playmakers. The 49ers also lack big playmakers... except their tight end is making big play after big play. Sleepy is definitely not in his league. I remember when we were thinking Sleepy was a pro-bowler. Well, he isn't, esp not this year. Where do you think Davis ranks and how good do you really think he is. I do want him on the squad next year, but he is a scary player given if he messes up, he's gone for a year and we already know he's capable of messing up even when he knows people are watching him and paying attention. He got a mulligan and still got caught... that's just :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins4ever Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Fred Davis was on pace for a 1,000 yard reception season and would have gone to his first pro bowl. Davis had solid performances just about every week before his suspension. There's really not too much to evaluate concerning him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darrelgreenie Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 his pothead status takes away from his production/talent weed not withstanding i think he's on the sane tier as Finely but below the elite TEs like Davis/Gronk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I thought Sleepy was having a very strong year for us at TE and was becoming a force before his stupid mistake cut short his season, but watching the playoffs you see the difference between a good tight end (Davis) and a force Gronk or V. Davis, etc. Now, part of it is qbing, but Davis was not able to make those huge plays that we're seeing routinely made in the playoffs.It makes you question where he ranks. Seems like a good, but not great tight end... maybe, time is also dimming my memory, but we lacked big playmakers. The 49ers also lack big playmakers... except their tight end is making big play after big play. Sleepy is definitely not in his league. I remember when we were thinking Sleepy was a pro-bowler. Well, he isn't, esp not this year. Where do you think Davis ranks and how good do you really think he is. I do want him on the squad next year, but he is a scary player given if he messes up, he's gone for a year and we already know he's capable of messing up even when he knows people are watching him and paying attention. He got a mulligan and still got caught... that's just :doh: Sleepy is in the mode of Vernon... actually i don't think he's too far off from him. Any TE who was on pace for 1,000 rec yards with a lack of weapons that we had, shouldn't be scoffed at. Not only should we re-sign him, but he is a building block for the future of this offense... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 There's no comparing one Davis to another. Vernon Davis is an athletic freak and the only guy who really compares to him in the league as far as size and speed go is Calvin Johnson. Fred Davis is roughly as athletic as Gronkowski, Graham, and Gates (probably ever so slightly less so than all of them). He's a little shorter than each of those guys and he definitely doesn't have the mitts that Gronkowski does nor does he seem to possess the same level of basketball-type instincts that makes those three so great. Regardless, he was on pace for over 1000 yards before his suspension so there's really no point in lamenting over the fact that he's not quite as good as the best of the best because he's still damn good. The best direct comparison to him out of the Super TEs that seem to be dominating the league right now may be Aaron Hernandez. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slateman Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 He's very good. He isn't elite, but very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thirtyfive2seven Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 the issue is maturity. Fred Davis has not grown up yet. Anyone who wastes their time, money and lungs on drugs where substance abuse is strictly enforced is a moron. He put himself above the team when he made the decision to get high. He could cost himself a lot of money as well. In a profession where your body is a temple he made a stupid stupid decision. All that said I think that if he refocused his energy on football, studying film, and working out he could be elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyGator Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I agree with the last two posts. Need at least a second big reliable receiver playing next year if he does drugs again and gets caught. He's very good and I don't think he's hit his ceiling yet ... on the football field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsCrushCowboys Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 He is not in the same discussion as a top TE in the league. He has the size and potential to be great, but lacks maturity and responsibility needed to get him to the next level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Provided he's finally 'grown up' and 'got it', and you have to feel that Shanahan will of ripped him a new one behind closed doors so the message finally sinks in; can we not just be happy with what we have in FreddyD instead of coveting the VERY top echelon? And what we have is a young, athletic, big quick pass catching TE that's got the ability to be amongst the top company in this league. A serious weapon on ANYONE'S team. Given finally having a competent pro QB to get him the rock on a consistent basis; and Kyle opening up more of his scheme now we have a serious run threat to compliment; along with the aforementioned dressing down from Coach Mike to a guy that's one dope hit away from a 16 game suspension; and I fully expect FreddyD to be a major scoring/ big play threat going forward. He may not be as rounded as Vernon Davis, who's just an absolute beast in most every facet; or the freak of nature that is Grankowski; but darn if he's not the best of the next group and a young man, foolishness aside; we're EXCEPTIONALLY lucky to have. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrepDC Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Why do I see this on here every day? Fans pick a player that is actually a bright spot with upside on our team, and then they compare him to the absolute best player or a freak athlete at the same position as if our player is a disappointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 What do Vernon Davis (now, anyways, under Harbaugh), Rob Gronkowski, Antonio Gates, Aaron Hernandez, Jimmy Graham have in common that Fred Davis doesn't (not talking about an aversion to smoke the cheeba, either) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
authentic Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 What do Vernon Davis (now, anyways, under Harbaugh), Rob Gronkowski, Antonio Gates, Aaron Hernandez, Jimmy Graham have in common that Fred Davis doesn't (not talking about an aversion to smoke the cheeba, either) good QB play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 good QB play... Ding, ding, ding! Davis isn't quite the same player as those guys, but I can bet you those guys wouldn't be anywhere near the "best" conversation if they had Rex Grossman and John Beck throwing them the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Skins Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 What do Vernon Davis (now, anyways, under Harbaugh), Rob Gronkowski, Antonio Gates, Aaron Hernandez, Jimmy Graham have in common that Fred Davis doesn't (not talking about an aversion to smoke the cheeba, either) Size combined with athleticism? Is F. Davis indeed smaller than the above list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 What do Vernon Davis (now, anyways, under Harbaugh), Rob Gronkowski, Antonio Gates, Aaron Hernandez, Jimmy Graham have in common that Fred Davis doesn't (not talking about an aversion to smoke the cheeba, either) The same thing we'll have come April 26. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Size combined with athleticism? Is F. Davis indeed smaller than the above list? I was going for an even simpler answer "a quarterback". No adjectives needed. Just "a quarterback". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Why do I see this on here every day? Fans pick a player that is actually a bright spot with upside on our team, and then they compare him to the absolute best player or a freak athlete at the same position as if our player is a disappointment. It's usually an indirect response to sentiments held by other fans who exaggerate the value of the player. What do Vernon Davis (now, anyways, under Harbaugh), Rob Gronkowski, Antonio Gates, Aaron Hernandez, Jimmy Graham have in common that Fred Davis doesn't (not talking about an aversion to smoke the cheeba, either) I'm hoping the answer to this is more creative than competent QBing. Edit: Damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDawg Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I'm hoping the answer to this is more creative than competent QBing. Sorry to disappoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I was going for an even simpler answer "a quarterback".No adjectives needed. Just "a quarterback". WOOT! Did I win a prize? :pfft: Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5ohhh Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I don't get this at all, Fred has played behind Cooley for most of his career which has stunted his growth. Even this year with bad QB play and facing much tougher defenses Fred and Vernon's numbers were VERY close and Freddy D played in 4 less games. Vernon has excelled as his QB has (postseason) and Fred will do the same... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boston Skins Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I was going for an even simpler answer "a quarterback".No adjectives needed. Just "a quarterback". Well I understand that. But even still, those guys are high-speed bulldozers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeluCopter29 Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 Davis has the ability to be elite. However, his QB is below average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Hog Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I agree with the folks that say he's a very good TE, but maybe not elite. Add a better QB to the situation, and who knows, maybe he ups his game. Nonetheless, I think he's an overall asset to the team. At this point I'm more curious if we keep Cooley and/or roll with Paulson as the #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibbs Hog Heaven Posted January 23, 2012 Share Posted January 23, 2012 I agree with the folks that say he's a very good TE, but maybe not elite. Add a better QB to the situation, and who knows, maybe he ups his game. Nonetheless, I think he's an overall asset to the team.At this point I'm more curious if we keep Cooley and roll with Paulson as the #2. Cooley I guess will be all down to his injury. I've no doubt Chris would restructure for a lesser deal just to stay here, but if his body is no longer gona' hold up ..... Paulson was a major let down for me last year. He regressed from a very promising rookie year. I lost count of the number of times he either got blown up on blocking assignments, or he gave up a boneheaded penalty. I can certainly see them either taking a late round flyer in a TE, or bringing an undrafted/ vet. FA into camp to give him serious competition. Hail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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