JMS Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Interesting read, not all of it's gold; but some of it is...... Special thanks to John McCain.. A few of it's best points from a five minute purusal. Romney Became a Republican in 1993? At the age of 44. Romney didn't vote for Reagan, and said he would not advocate a return to Reagan-Bush principals in 1994. Video tape of Romney mistakingly addressing Cuban crowd with Pro Castro hand gesture. Romny pro choice, then pro life, then pro choice again, finally back to pro life.. Romney Quote... Arizona like hell, it would be a pretty nice place if it had water and nicer people.. ( pretty funny actually). Romney endorsed Rep. Barney Frank’s Employment Nondiscrimination Act for gay people in 1994. On Gun Control... Romny flip flopping on wheather he owns a gun, is a member in the NRA, is for gun control or not.. etc Spending... Left Ma with massive deficite, Grew state spending, Increased taxes, under his leadership Ma ranked 49th in the country for new jobs No foreign policy experience. Campagn finance... In 2002, Romney proposed installing 10 percent tax on private donations to political campaigns. Imigration ... In November 2005, Romney said McCain immigration plan was “quite different” from amnesty and called plan “reasonable.” Global Warming... In 2003, Romney said, “I think the global warming debate is now pretty much over.”... Now he disputes the science. Healthcare: Romney changed positions on importing cheaper prescription drugs from Canada – first supporting it, now opposing it. Healthcare: Says the Ma plan was 95% his vision... now has problems with it. Bain Capital: Romney sat on board of directors of Bain portfolio company Damon Clinical Laboratories, which in 1996 was fined over $100 million for Medicare fraud committed during Romney’s tenure. Politics: In late 2002, Romney described himself as “a progressive-on-social-issues governor of Massachusetts.” Politics: Romney left the state GOP weaker than when he took over as governor, with the party described as being “at its weakest point in years.” Get your copy of the Romney Book Here... http://cdn2.dailycaller.com/2012/01/McCain-2008-Oppo-File-on-Romney.pdf Here is the link to the article in question.. http://dailycaller.com/2012/01/18/opposition-file-on-romney-hits-the-internet-likely-from-2008-mccain-campaign/ Massive opposition research file on Romney hits Internet, likely from 2008 McCain campaign If you think you’ve already heard everything there is to know about Mitt Romney, think again. A 200-page document that appears to be Sen. John McCain’s entire 2008 election-year opposition research file on the former Massachusetts governor hit the Internet with a vengeance Tuesday evening. And it’s an eye-opener. The file explores everything from the assessed value of Romney’s house (“$3.162 million”) to his views on the Boy Scouts’ ban of homosexuals (“publicly opposed … in 1994 and 2002 campaigns”). It was made public Tuesday on the social media website Buzzfeed, although it appears to have been accessible online for two months. The document, given the name “The Romney Book,” was viewed less than 100 times on the page where it was originally uploaded by its anonymous leaker on November 11. Neither McCain nor his former presidential campaign staffers have authenticated the untitled document, and McCain’s recent endorsement of Romney makes that highly unlikely. Still, the file is comprehensive enough — even by Washington, D.C. opposition-research standards — to suggest that it was assembled as a tool to counter a Romney candidacy on a national scale. And the news articles it references stop late in 2007. After a four-page introduction and timeline of Romney’s personal and professional life, the file’s next six pages cover what the authors called “top hits.” The last six pages are an appendix describing a “Boston Video Archive.” The biggest portion consists of a detailed and heavily sourced exploration of Romney’s evolving positions on social issues (22 pages), economic issues (21 pages) and domestic policy (48 pages). A 33-page section details his business record at Bain Capital, and 16 pages cover political issues that the authors believed can be exploited against Romney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Funny. A lot of the things on there that GOP primary voters will find damning kinda look like points in his favor to me. But really, there is nothing new there. Mitt is who he is. Someone who wants to get elected, and crafts his deeply held principles ( ) to reflect his current audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Video tape of Romney mistakingly addressing Cuban crowd with Pro Castro hand gesture. <channeling a presence> "How Obama-like." :pfft: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 After perusing the document it boils down to the fact that If Romney was not a Mormon he would almost certainly be a Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Republicans have completely screwed themselves and the rest of us by making their primary about who's the most pro-life gay bashing anti-Obama candidate. The mess left to choose from now that the only sane capable candidate has dropped out consists of a dumbass Texan with the IQ of a carrot, a dickish big govt failed neo-Nixonian ex-congressman who is railing about fiscal insanity after spending most of the last decade voting for it, an ideologue who's so hardcore he'll never get over 20%..nor should he, a brilliant and effective legislator with a great record who is incorrigibly arrogant, unfocused, and carries so much baggage even Southwest woud charge him a fortune in fees, and a big spending flip-flopping horrible failure of a governor winning by virtue of the best haircut and some semblance of sanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 Funny. A lot of the things on there that GOP primary voters will find damning kinda look like points in his favor to me. But really, there is nothing new there. Mitt is who he is. Someone who wants to get elected, and crafts his deeply held principles ( ) to reflect his current audience. Yep, That's what many Mitt supporters say.... The fact that he's been pro choice at two periods during his political career would make him more acceptable to pro choice people... I've never believed that. To me it paints him as two faced, not worthy of either groups trust.... I guess ultimately it's in the delivery though... I think Mitt shares this traight with Bill Clinton who himself had no strong positions on important issues but crafted his positions to position himself politically for election and then for re-election. That's high praise for some, because Clinton turned out to be a pretty good president. If not role model. It's all in how it's spun. ---------- Post added January-18th-2012 at 02:55 PM ---------- After perusing the document it boils down to the fact that If Romney was not a Mormon he would almost certainly be a Democrat. I agree he would be a stronger candidate if he were a democrat and didn't have to flip flop on all of his best achievements during his political career. I don't think he's a republican because he's Mormon. I think he's a Republican simple because the Democratic Party in Massachusetts was locked down via patronage deals while the GOP was more wide open. This allowed the outsider Romney with his money a greater opportunity to penetrate the Republican Party. As a democrat he would have been stuck behind the Kennedy, O'neil, and Kerry Clans. ---------- Post added January-18th-2012 at 02:57 PM ---------- Republicans have completely screwed themselves and the rest of us by making their primary about who's the most pro-life gay bashing anti-Obama candidate. The mess left to choose from now that the only sane capable candidate has dropped out consists of a dumbass Texan with the IQ of a carrot, a dickish big govt failed neo-Nixonian ex-congressman who is railing about fiscal insanity after spending most of the last decade voting for it, an ideologue who's so hardcore he'll never get over 20%..nor should he, a brilliant and effective legislator with a great record who is incorrigibly arrogant, unfocused, and carries so much baggage even Southwest woud charge him a fortune in fees, and a big spending flip-flopping horrible failure of a governor winning by virtue of the best haircut and some semblance of sanity. That's a good synopsis, although do you really think Mitt has good hair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenspandan Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 i don't know. whatever. none of that seems like a big deal to me (as a liberal), and i suspect even the staunchest conservatives will figure out a way to rationalize this stuff away and fall in line for the sake of opposing obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted January 18, 2012 Author Share Posted January 18, 2012 <channeling a presence> "How Obama-like." :pfft: I think their is a difference. Coarse I would...... I think Obama's flip flops have occurred mostly on national security issues, and mostly because of the input of our nations military commanders and security advisers. I don't agree with many of these changes but I can understand how Obama could be swayed by their advice on gitmo, or Iraqi troop levels.... I think Mitt's flip flops are simpler to frame. They reflect the fact that Mitt has ZERO beliefs or core values. Mitt is seeking power for power's sake, and the positions he stakes out are tactical decisions to put him in the best possible light to win whatever office he is currently seeking.... Like I said. I think he shares this perhaps learned this skill from Bill Clinton who himself also put his finger to the wind on any given issue. It's hard for me to support such a leader, cause such a man doesn't lead. He won't take the country anyplace new. He won't challenge us, nor will he solve problems. We will wake up every morning under a Romney administration looking for clues to what our President is thinking and where he is taking us. Maybe he will manage it well and we will get a more Moral Clinton out of it. I think historically it's more likely he won't. All of our greatest Presidents had vision. Whether conservative or liberal ( mostly liberal ) they stood for things and the country bent to their will. ( Washington, Lincoln, FDR, Truman, Johnson, Reagan )... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I wish I had wrote that, Riggo. But as time moves on I am prepared to see things get way more competitive and interesting when O has to go on the actual hard ball campaign road vs whoever the GOP candidate is (obviously everyone says Mitt but I'll go with "whoever" cuz it fits my point) and the spotlight stops being so much on the colorfully dysfunctional self-harming circus that the GOP mutant farm has produced to date. ---------- Post added January-18th-2012 at 12:16 PM ---------- I think their is a difference. Coarse I would......<edit>. Uh, amigo.....I was making a joke referring to those posters who get on Obama every so and often about the old "sending the bust back to the Queen" or "improper bowing" etc etc stuff as though it's representative of him being some "clueless" kind of guy. It wasn't some discursive oversight that I picked one specific item and made the remark in the arrows to set it up. It had no relevance to all that stuff you went into. Take a breath every now and then and smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 After perusing the document it boils down to the fact that If Romney was not a Mormon he would almost certainly be a Democrat. Yeah, you know how those Democrats are, with their religious intolerance. ---------- Post added January-18th-2012 at 03:21 PM ---------- Republicans have completely screwed themselves and the rest of us by making their primary about who's the most pro-life gay bashing anti-Obama candidate. The mess left to choose from now that the only sane capable candidate has dropped out consists of a dumbass Texan with the IQ of a carrot, a dickish big govt failed neo-Nixonian ex-congressman who is railing about fiscal insanity after spending most of the last decade voting for it, an ideologue who's so hardcore he'll never get over 20%..nor should he, a brilliant and effective legislator with a great record who is incorrigibly arrogant, unfocused, and carries so much baggage even Southwest woud charge him a fortune in fees, and a big spending flip-flopping horrible failure of a governor winning by virtue of the best haircut and some semblance of sanity. Don't mince words, Bones. Tell me what you really mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 nothing here that everybody didn't already know. He's not a Republican or a Democrat. He's a Republocrat. He stands for everything and nothing at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I wish I had wrote that, Riggo.But as time moves on I am prepared to see things get way more competitive and interesting when O has to go on the actual hard ball campaign road vs whoever the GOP candidate is (obviously everyone says Mitt but I'll go with "whoever" cuz it fits my point) and the spotlight stops being so much on the colorfully dysfunctional self-harming circus that the GOP mutant farm has produced to date. Yeah, things could certainly change once we have a D and an R wrestling in the mud, instead of the Seven R's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Funny. A lot of the things on there that GOP primary voters will find damning kinda look like points in his favor to me. But really, there is nothing new there. Mitt is who he is. Someone who wants to get elected, and crafts his deeply held principles ( ) to reflect his current audience. LOL, this is one of the rare times we agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulane Skins Fan Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only thing I really take from this is that Romney has flip flopped on a lot of issues. Which we all knew already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yeah, you know how those Democrats are, with their religious intolerance.I am not sure about that, most see their party as their religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only thing I really take from this is that Romney has flip flopped on a lot of issues. Which we all knew already. Just to note for the umpteenth time the beauties of partisanship: when Kerry was the Dem candidate, "flip-flopping" was a most grievous trait of his in the eyes of his GOP adversaries...now that same, more proven and pervasive trait, seems to be acceptable in their continually top-ranked candidate. Integrity uber alles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only thing I really take from this is that Romney has flip flopped on a lot of issues. Which we all knew already. Thats likely his weak spot too, all the rest seem to simply be more moderate positions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 The only thing I really take from this is that Romney has flip flopped on a lot of issues. Which we all knew already. Jon Huntsman had a good line. He said that Romney has the political convictions of "a well-oiled weather vane." I don't think Republicans should view the changing of his positions over time as quite so damaging to his chances as some apparently do. They could use a pragmatist carrying the banner right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I think Mitt shares this traight with Bill Clinton who himself had no strong positions on important issues but crafted his positions to position himself politically for election and then for re-election. That's high praise for some, because Clinton turned out to be a pretty good president. If not role model. That is somewhat true about Clinton. However, Clinton could pull it off much better because he was very charismatic and knew how to relate to people (or at least seem to). Mitt Romney has all the charisma of a piece of wood with a hastily drawn face on it (to be honest I think the piece of wood with a face would give me much LESS of an uncanny valley feeling than Mitt does), and his ability to relate to people on a personal level (or, again, at least seem to) has been shown to be at best mediocre and at worst absolutely cringe worthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I think Mitt shares this traight with Bill Clinton who himself had no strong positions on important issues but crafted his positions to position himself politically for election and then for re-election. That's high praise for some, because Clinton turned out to be a pretty good president. Myabe I'm kidding myself, but I see a huge difference between 1) someone who takes a moderate position (or no position) on an issue, and tries to downplay the issue in his campaigning, and 2) someone who takes a strong, partisan position on an issue and emphasizes it in his campaigning, and then takes the opposite strong partisan position on the same issue when his audience changes, and does it literally dozens of times, encompassing almost every major issue of the day. The first one is a pragmatist. The second one is a panderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Republicans have completely screwed themselves and the rest of us by making their primary about who's the most pro-life gay bashing anti-Obama candidate. The mess left to choose from now that the only sane capable candidate has dropped out consists of a dumbass Texan with the IQ of a carrot, a dickish big govt failed neo-Nixonian ex-congressman who is railing about fiscal insanity after spending most of the last decade voting for it, an ideologue who's so hardcore he'll never get over 20%..nor should he, a brilliant and effective legislator with a great record who is incorrigibly arrogant, unfocused, and carries so much baggage even Southwest woud charge him a fortune in fees, and a big spending flip-flopping horrible failure of a governor winning by virtue of the best haircut and some semblance of sanity. Yep. That pretty much sums 'er up right there. For some time now I've harbored the image in my head of Obama volunteers passing out flip flops with "Romney for POTUS" printed on them as part of this fall's campaign...maybe even with his different positions on opposite sides. Nah, it'll never happen but I can dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yep. That pretty much sums 'er up right there.For some time now I've harbored the image in my head of Obama volunteers passing out flip flops with "Romney for POTUS" printed on them as part of this fall's campaign...maybe even with his different positions on opposite sides. Nah, it'll never happen but I can dream. That's what they did in 2004 at the GOP convention. Flip Flops with Cartoon Kerry on them I think. Its a great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I don't give a damn that Romney has flip-flopped on social issues. I would never vote for him because his record as governor STINKS! PERIOD!! Why there's barely a peep about this, especially compared to all the stupid rhetoric abou Bane Capital is stupifying. He was freaking 49th - 2nd to last - in job creation. He destroyed much of the progress made by his predecessor Bill Weld. If you think Romney is better suited to handle the economy you're delusional. Corzine was even more successful in business than Romney, and he bankrupted NJ. To steal a line from Codeorama, Romney vs Obama is Alien vs Predator...no matter who wins, we lose. Thank you subsidized hicks,rednecks, and looney cold weather trolls for delivering this turdfest to our doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 That is somewhat true about Clinton. However, Clinton could pull it off much better because he was very charismatic and knew how to relate to people (or at least seem to). Mitt Romney has all the charisma of a piece of wood with a hastily drawn face on it (to be honest I think the piece of wood with a face would give me much LESS of an uncanny valley feeling than Mitt does), and his ability to relate to people on a personal level (or, again, at least seem to) has been shown to be at best mediocre and at worst absolutely cringe worthy. He's the GOP's answer to Wooden Al Gore sans the haircut with a moon roof. Romney is so incredibly plastic it's hard to believe sometimes. As you said, he's just absolutely cringe inducing. The first one is a pragmatist. The second one is a panderer. As someone that has periodically changed my mind about a lot of things over the years, I greatly admire the ability/courage to reassess long-held beliefs and change course if necessary. With that said, I can only accept it as open mindedness in a politician up to a point. Once those changes of heart start happening every few years, conveniently timed to coincide with the mood of the electorate, it doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Just to note for the umpteenth time the beauties of partisanship: when Kerry was the Dem candidate, "flip-flopping" was a most grievous trait of his in the eyes of his GOP adversaries...now that same, more proven and pervasive trait, seems to be acceptable in their continually top-ranked candidate. Integrity uber alles. Reminds me of an article that praised Romney as a someone who learned to appreciate reasoning and pragmatism thanks to his brilliant education at Harvard BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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