NoCalMike Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Today on NFL Live, during the "on the clock" segment, the question was posed as to who was the best #2 reciever in the NFL......Goldberg mentioned someone else first and then the host....."Trey" said....umm what about Rod Gardner, and Goldberg gave this, "oh yah, DUH" look on his face and said to Trey, "why do you always set me up like that" hahahahaha.......Brian Cox looked puzzled like he didn't even know any #2 reciever's name and didn't even have time to answer the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor The Invincible Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 I don't agree. But Whatever. There are lots of great #2s out there.... and Gardner could be a great one, but he'll have to step up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Step up how? He dropped one pass on Sunday, that's 3 times less than Coles. What would you have him do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Umm.. DUH? Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress in Pittsburgh. I don't even know which one you would call #2, but they are both better than Gardner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 How about the Oakland receivers? Not sure who's #2, but they're all probably better than Rod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Not really. We're underrating Rod here. He's not perfect, but if they gotta hold him all game then he must be doing something right. Gardner is better at THIS stage than Rice or Brown and Porter. What has Porter done in this league? Hines Ward and Burress? Yeah, it's hard to argue about that though Burress still has dropsies(though i'll have to check the stats) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Peerless Price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ancalagon the Black Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Originally posted by Yomar the Nifty Peerless Price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 At this stage, I'd take Rice or Brown as my second WR over Gardner. Gardner is more physical, but those guys are so much more complete players than Rod. Rod is still dropping balls, making stupid penalties, and not coming back to Ramsey when he's in trouble. I was a big defender of Gardner last year, but I don't see much improvement from him so far this year. I think McCants will eventually replace him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Brown is terrible man. He can barely get up the field anymore. He's not even the #2 at Oakland anymore. Why would you pick him over a fast(in comparison to Brown or Rice,) physical, jumper like Gardner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaSkin Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 It's funny I was just having this conversation with a friend who is a big-time Raiders fan and he admitted that he'd rather have Gardner than any WR they currently have. Gardner would be a clear #1 at this stage in Oakland. Now whether I'd rather have Gardner than Burress or Ward is another question. Still, I think if we don't have the top recieving tandem in the league we're #2 at worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 I think either D. Jackson or K.Robinson is a good #2WR as well, if I can figure out who is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONES Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 I too think McCants has a very good chance in the near future of replacing gardner. McCants seems so far to have the better hands. He is getting seperation and is finding open zones.It's just a matter of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSF Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Originally posted by GhostofWoodsonReturns Brown is terrible man. He can barely get up the field anymore. He's not even the #2 at Oakland anymore. Why would you pick him over a fast(in comparison to Brown or Rice,) physical, jumper like Gardner? I haven't seen the Raiduhs play this year yet so I could be way off. I thought at the end of last year that Rice and Brown were still playing pretty well. I think Gardner has good hands and a lot of physical talent, I just haven't been too impressed with his brains. Dumb penalties, not coming back to the ball, it just seems like his heads not in it. If he could get over that stuff, he'd be 1 of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NBlue Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Originally posted by GaSkinsfan I haven't seen the Raiduhs play this year yet so I could be way off. I thought at the end of last year that Rice and Brown were still playing pretty well. I think Gardner has good hands and a lot of physical talent, I just haven't been too impressed with his brains. Dumb penalties, not coming back to the ball, it just seems like his heads not in it. If he could get over that stuff, he'd be 1 of the best. I figured you might not have seen them yet this year, b/c after watching Tim Brown absolutely look awful in the MNF game its tough to say he remains one of the top 50 receivers in the league, let alone as good as Gardner. btw, for my $$, I'd rank Hines Ward as clearly the best #2 WR in the league followed by Rod and Jackson in a dead heat. JMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Originally posted by NBlue btw, for my $$, I'd rank Hines Ward as clearly the best #2 WR in the league followed by Rod and Jackson in a dead heat. JMHO. I think Hines is the #1 there, Plaxico is the #2. Then again who knows they both kick a$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbooma Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Here are #2's that are better then Gardner: Plaxico Darell Jackson (they are close) Torry Holt Maybe one of the cowgirls Ike Hilliard?? Thats it thats the list :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Buress or Ward belong in the conversations for sure, As for the Raiders, right now Rice is number 1 because Porter is out. Tim Brown can't get open against anyone anymore. He's done. If I had a vote it would for Steelers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 The big question that you would have to ask about some of the guys mentioned above is: Just how good are they? Ward is pretty damn good. However, the reason I think a lot of people like Gardner better is because he's proven he can be a 1,000 yard WR as the go-to guy. This is something that Price is having problems with in Atlanta. The only reason I wouldn't put Isaac Bruce ahead of RG is age (Holt is the #1 I think). Bruce has shown for years that he can be thrive even as the main threat. Anyway, I do think sometimes we UNDERvalue our guys since we see them week in and week out. So I guess my point is, when you rate these guys, maybe you have to ask how you think they'd do if their #1 guy wasn't lining up next to them. Ward hasn't had that opportunity and Gardner has had a 1000 yard/8 or 9 TD season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awesome Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Man we're quick to jump on Gardner. While he's not the most complete, or smartest receiver, he's solid and fairly reliable, though he still makes one too many mental mistakes. If he can eliminate those, he's a pro bowl receiver in my mind. Wonder if people's opinions would be different this morning if that great TD grab of his in the 1st quarter hadn't been negated by Samuels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Actually MAP, I think people still have in their minds that he drops a lot of balls. He had a rough rookie year and dropped more than his share of passes. Now, everytime he drops a pass (even if it's once every 4 games) someone will hold that against him. I would guess if you took his drops over last year and these first 3 games of this year, he's pretty typical for a WR. I agree that some people don't realize that we have the best duo of WRs we've had since Clark and Monk. These two are better than Westbrook and Connell were in their one year of magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 I'd say Peerless (not worth the) Price would be... <snicker> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Washington Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 you guys are nuts! someone gives us a good comment about a player and you are determined to tear that guy down. the guy have been VERY reliable in our opinion, more so than big name guys westbrook and howard. yea he makes a dumb play now and then, but they are aggressive penalties (taunting is unacceptable) and you can live with that sometimes. i can't believe you guys think 1 drop is unreliable hands, did you see the touchdown that got called back, that was a good catch. i don't think he's the best in the league nor do i see mccants being able to overtake gardner w/o gardner leaving the team. mccants is good, but i don't see him as being good enough to deal with the attention of being a number 2 guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spicunited Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 Darrell Jackson and Koren Robinson are both better than Gardner.. as are Issac Bruce and TOrry holt,.. Hines Ward and Plaxico Burress... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted September 24, 2003 Share Posted September 24, 2003 arguments can be made for whoever is the #2 on the rams and steelers. however, d jax is NOT better than rod gardner. period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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